Please, no "Superman Begins"

[protocida]

Johns's Fortress is exactly what i want to see on the silver screen.

But i'd problably loose the robots. Being a fortress of SOLITUDE, i don't think interacting robots would fit.

 

[Double Down]

Johns's Fortress is exactly what i want to see on the silver screen.

But i'd problably loose the robots. Being a fortress of SOLITUDE, i don't think interacting robots would fit.

That's a good point.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Warner apparently does.

But why does Alan Horn & Thomas Tull want a sequel, where Robinsov want a reboot? That is my point on not everyone find it disappointed. Or some folks at WB, if you will. Just going by this.

 

[The Senator]

Honestly, I would prefer a reboot to this series. I recently watched the original "Superman" movie, and I must say, it was one of the most overrated superhero films ever made. Yes, there are several iconic points, but the movie is extraordinarily long, slow in some parts, and the acting is abysmal at best.

The immediate sequels were complete trash and served as a disservice to one of America's most recognizable superheroes.

"Superman Returns" was too scatterbrained. I feel as though the subplot involving Superman's child was too much to add into the plot of that film. It would have been fine without it, but I feel that the great disappointment of that movie should serve as a final nail in the coffin for the original "Superman" franchise.

After all, it is a different time in comic book-cinematic relations. Studios actually want to make films which are true to the series they are based upon, without catering to advertising interests. WB knows now that a good superhero movie can be made without A-list celebrities or an exorbitant budget.

I think the idea of this Superman Trilogy is fantastic, and would be an excellent way for Warner Bros. and DC to bring this character back into the limelight.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Honestly, I would prefer a reboot to this series. I recently watched the original "Superman" movie, and I must say, it was one of the most overrated superhero films ever made. Yes, there are several iconic points, but the movie is extraordinarily long, slow in some parts, and the acting is abysmal at best.

The immediate sequels were complete trash and served as a disservice to one of America's most recognizable superheroes.

"Superman Returns" was too scatterbrained. I feel as though the subplot involving Superman's child was too much to add into the plot of that film. It would have been fine without it, but I feel that the great disappointment of that movie should serve as a final nail in the coffin for the original "Superman" franchise.

After all, it is a different time in comic book-cinematic relations. Studios actually want to make films which are true to the series they are based upon, without catering to advertising interests. WB knows now that a good superhero movie can be made without A-list celebrities or an exorbitant budget.

I think the idea of this Superman Trilogy is fantastic, and would be an excellent way for Warner Bros. and DC to bring this character back into the limelight.

Except it doesn`t seem like a great plan. You have a trilogy showing the life of superman and the universe. And so... if the trilogy is popular you have nowhere to go because superman is alone and the earth dead at the end of the third film. It wopuld be like having star wars a new hope ends with luke and the others dying in a suicide run that destroys the death star. You simply would be unable to make a direct sequel without rebooting or recasting or something.

Also i don`t buy the superman lives to the end of time bit. Firstly i`ve never like the idea that superman is actually immortal. I mean his fellow kryptonians didn`t seem all that long in the tooth or immortal.

Amd also i don`t buy that superman as a character would carry on to the end of time anyway. I think realistically if superman never aged and lois did and died, then he would prob kill himself after a few years. I mena yes he has his mission to save people and such but Lois is pretty much his soulmate. He might try to carry on for a few decades but i think eventually he would miss her too much. I can`t see the superman we love forgetting her and moving on to and endless stream of subsequent women over the millenia.

 

[GreenKToo]

To jman:
I think the actor playing clark/supes could be a relative unknown, but he will need to be surrounded by a cast of A or B-listers to give this film some weight. Despite what we think, the general public will go to see films that have actors/actresses in it just because they know their work.
Any new Superman film will need that starpower iMO to draw in the masses. Once the GA is drawn in with said star power, WOM will then take over *IF* its a good film. But you have to draw them in first.
All MVHO.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

To jman:
I think the actor playing clark/supes could be a relative unknown, but he will need to be surrounded by a cast of A or B-listers to give this film some weight. Despite what we think, the general public will go to see films that have actors/actresses in it just because they know their work.
Any new Superman film will need that starpower iMO to draw in the masses. Once the GA is drawn in with said star power, WOM will then take over *IF* its a good film. But you have to draw them in first.
All MVHO.

Only if they fit the roles. No Tom Cruise as Lex please. Or Shea Lebouf as Jimmy Olsen. Or Morgan Freeman as Perry White.

A lot of films do well without star names so it isn`t a neccesity.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Johns's Fortress is exactly what i want to see on the silver screen.

But i'd problably loose the robots. Being a fortress of SOLITUDE, i don't think interacting robots would fit.

Never had a problem with the robots, myself. Be them security droids or servants.

Personally, I always saw the fortress not as a literall means of enabling Supes to be alone but as a means to give Supes a bit of solitude from the outside world - y'know, to enable him to catch a breather and relax in surroundings indicative of his heritage and Krypton's culture..

 

[kalelkilla]

I wouldn't mind if the whole FOS was completely eradicated from the Superman mythos...it is kinda ridiculous...I like the idea that is/was for Superman's education and for a connection to his heritage, but once the FOS' job is done (learn the lessons of the universe from Jor-El, etc...become Superman...) then it it should be taken away from Superman so he can deal with his problems in the "real world" and not always be running back to the Fortress to help him with his problems...if the studio really wants to "Batman Begins" Superman than the FOS has to go...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldn't mind if the whole FOS was completely eradicated from the Superman mythos...it is kinda ridiculous...I like the idea that is/was for Superman's education and for a connection to his heritage, but once the FOS' job is done (learn the lessons of the universe from Jor-El, etc...become Superman...) then it it should be taken away from Superman so he can deal with his problems in the "real world" and not always be running back to the Fortress to help him with his problems...if the studio really wants to "Batman Begins" Superman than the FOS has to go...

This may be a wrong assumption but you havent read many Superman comics have you? The FOS has more functions than you list above. Its a place Superman goes to think, rest, plan and God knows what else he has done in there in the comics. It isnt only there to teach him his heritage. Its a place he goes to be alone when he needs to be.

 

[Saint]

The idea that Superman would be "running back to the fortress to help him with his problems" is really a product of Smallville, where the Fortress and Jor-El are a universal bandaid. "Don't worry, Kal-El! I'll give your father superpowers! Or take away your powers! or send you back in time! Whatever ridiculous crap you need!"

Smallville can go die in a ditch somewhere.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Smallville isn't about Superman. It's about a barely adult Clark Kent; still young and not quite the paradox of a super-hero yet. It's understandable that he shifts a lot of the responsibility to his elders. It might just be character development. Watch for it.

 

[Saint]

Smallville isn't about Superman. It's about a barely adult Clark Kent; still young and not quite the paradox of a super-hero yet. It's understandable that he shifts a lot of the responsibility to his elders. It might just be character development. Watch for it.

I'm afraid too many years of trash on that program have precluded me from giving it any more chances. Since it is the ultimate example of character stagnation, I am not particularly inclined to expect any development of any meaningful kind, anyway.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The idea that Superman would be "running back to the fortress to help him with his problems" is really a product of Smallville, where the Fortress and Jor-El are a universal bandaid. "Don't worry, Kal-El! I'll give your father superpowers! Or take away your powers! or send you back in time! Whatever ridiculous crap you need!"

Smallville can go die in a ditch somewhere.

to all points, in the comics it isnt used for this at all. Its a place were he recovers, re-group's, thinks and plan's and on occasion, show to certain people, like Supergirl or Lois.

I'm afraid too many years of trash on that program have precluded me from giving it any more chances. Since it is the ultimate example of character stagnation, I am not particularly inclined to expect any development of any meaningful kind, anyway.

I cant even watch the show anymore.

 

[Showtime]

The idea that Superman would be "running back to the fortress to help him with his problems" is really a product of Smallville, where the Fortress and Jor-El are a universal bandaid. "Don't worry, Kal-El! I'll give your father superpowers! Or take away your powers! or send you back in time! Whatever ridiculous crap you need!"

Smallville can go die in a ditch somewhere.

I'd have to disagree, I think it is more a product of the Christopher Reeve flicks.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Thats a possibility, but I never really saw it that way, at least in the first movie.

 

[Showtime]

Pointing mainly at Superman II.

 

[Showtime]

Pointing mainly at Superman II.

 

[Saint]

I'd have to disagree, I think it is more a product of the Christopher Reeve flicks.

I can only speak to STM and Superman II (Ive never seen III or IV), but yes, there was some responsibility there. However, being able to take away Clark's powers in Superman II does not compare to the rampant over use of the Fortress Ex Machina in Smallville.

 

[Showtime]

I can only speak to STM and Superman II (Ive never seen III or IV), but yes, there was some responsibility there. However, being able to take away Clark's powers in Superman II does not compare to the rampant over use of the Fortress Ex Machina in Smallville.

Take them away and give them back in Superman 2. You're right though, Smallville has used it as a crutch.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I'm afraid too many years of trash on that program have precluded me from giving it any more chances. Since it is the ultimate example of character stagnation, I am not particularly inclined to expect any development of any meaningful kind, anyway.

To each their own as they say. I'm a fan of the series, though admittedly it does have its flaws. I've never counted his reliance on Jor-El as one of them.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I like the FoS in Superman: The Animated Series. I kinda wanted it to be like that in future Superman films. That & some from the comics, but without the giant key & keyhole though.

 

[NeoRanger]

The key thing would sound a bit strange for an advanced, alien fortress in the era of computers and biometrics (though props for Morrison's ingenious adaption in All-Star). What it does need, for a change, is some damn security. Even in Family Guy he at least had a maid to answer the door.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Pointing mainly at Superman II.

Ah right, then yes, it was used like quite a bit in that movie, but Smallville has definately over-used it for me.

 

[Nightwing1977]

The key thing would sound a bit strange for an advanced, alien fortress in the era of computers and biometrics (though props for Morrison's ingenious adaption in All-Star).

That why I brought it up. Just saying they should use part of FoS idea from the comics, but without the giant key & keyhole. Don't know why they even use that in the first place in the comics.