Please, no "Superman Begins"

I can't stress this enough....

We haven't really seen the origin....

What we've been shown is a 10 second synopsis of the origin. A tone poem so to speak.

What we need is to know the drama leading up to Jor-El's decision. I want to see the rebel Jor-El and the world he lives in. I want to see his struggle with the oppressive council who keeps him from warning the people of Krypton of their impending doom. I long to see young Jor-el snatch his young son from the state run nursery to give him a chance at life after the death of their world. It can be epic in it's own right. It can bring to life the phrase 'one door closes and another opens'.

And it can all be done in 10 minutes or so. Not a huge price to pay in a movie that will probably be 2 and a half hours long.
 
I could imagine something like what they do on "Lost." The next movie, origin story or not, could be set entirely on earth. The following film could open with an extended Krypton/Jor-El sequence with a fresh take on things, after which we could skip ahead to current events in Clark's life.
 
Agreed no Superman Begins we all know his orgin and all that just do a Batman 89 and have him already Superman in his first year crime fighting going up against a dangerous foe. I say Brainiac.

This argument is ridiculous. Im fu$%#g tired to read/listen this bul!$#!*!

PS: sorry.
 
I wouldnt mind a Superman begins. I would love to see a begins film because you can easily transition into brainiac coming to earth. They can introduce the brain interactive construct on Krypton and kind of hint at how it intentionally fails to alert the people of krypton of the dangers awaiting. Which could lead to an emotional moment in the movie where Brainiac tells superman how it made the choice to let the planet die and then supes gets pissed and beats the crap outa brainiac.........therefore epic
 
Do an incredible hulk/wolverine style opening, but more extensive. But get it over with in an opening montage.
 
I said this before if the next will will be restarting everything again we need to have origin there in some place via flashback/straight from the start to show this film is different and not another chris reeve themed/setting film.
 
and plz god no John Williams theme music, just seems cartoonish. I thought one of the worst parts about SR was the music, every time that song came on it just didnt seem to fit
 
I'd absolutely LOVE an origins movie. Yes, it's been done before, but that was decades ago. A new origin movie would confirm that it's a fresh start. No Chris Reeve, no Donnerverse, no Smallville, no SR. This is a Superman for a new age with no ties or limitations to weigh it down!
 
I'd absolutely LOVE an origins movie. Yes, it's been done before, but that was decades ago. A new origin movie would confirm that it's a fresh start. No Chris Reeve, no Donnerverse, no Smallville, no SR. This is a Superman for a new age with no ties or limitations to weigh it down!
thank you :up:

Ppl saying "We all know the origin so theres no need to put it in"

Well most ppl knew Batman's origins...that turned out great

So yes, new start, show the origins
 
I rather a Superman film like Batman 89 were he already Superman but its his first year crime fighting. And he faces Braniac.
 
well in order to introduce brainiac you kinda need to introduce superman's origin and at least some background on Krypton. Or you can just randomly have Brainiac come to earth and then pull a Smallville and just have the Fortress tell superman what he is and where he comes from which would be lame.
 
well in order to introduce brainiac you kinda need to introduce superman's origin and at least some background on Krypton. Or you can just randomly have Brainiac come to earth and then pull a Smallville and just have the Fortress tell superman what he is and where he comes from which would be lame.

Okay. Then Metallo. You need no orgin. We already say it. Like i said have Superman be like Batman 89. He already Superman in his first year crime fighting. Metallo be the main villian then.
 
I'd welcome a couple flashbacks at least, if there's no full origin movie. But they'd be proper scenes that have a connection with Clark in the present. There would have to be a good reason in the storyline to use them.

My fave choice would be a glimpse into his highschool life, not mostly sports oriented like in S:TM (the only other bit was his crush on Lana) but a fleshed out scene happening inside the school, perhaps during class. Maybe we could see Clark trying to come to terms with his higher intelligence and how it's dealt with in his daily life. Whether people notice at all that he is exceptionally bright, do professors have any clue beyond simply seeing him as a very good student headed for Uni (one of several at Smallville High I reckon, so he doesn't stand out that much), etc. I wonder if he'd ever slip, getting a funny/suspicious look from the teacher? Would he ever do it on purpose just to see how far he can go without people noticing? As a form of rebellion maybe? He'd regret it right away and feel bad about it but it would show he's constantly on his guard and that it can be difficult to a kid growing up. Any kid would feel under pressure in the situation.

I can imagine it as either a humourous or sad scene or a little of both. Seeing him having to pretend about his smarts as well as his physical strength would be really interesting. The physical bit is obvious. Sure, I'd love to see it but his smarts shouldn't be overlooked either. To the general audience only familiar with the movies he'd look like a more rounded character that way. Not just someone who's simply super strong.

We also never saw anyone besides his parents actually spotting teenage Clark doing something out of the ordinary, something out of this world that would raise suspicion and maybe even get him into trouble. Something awkward he couldn't just wave away with a joke. I'd love to see how he'd get out of such a mess (and he would have to, obviously, plus "I almost got caught" would serve as a very important lesson to him). Or maybe it could be an "almost" moment where a character's thisss close from blowing Clark's cover. With a proper buildup a scene like this could be pretty "I'm-on-the-edge-of-my-seat" intense.

One of the reasons I'd love them to include a highschool scene is because a lot of non-Superman fans/average movie-goers believe besides the pain of his father dying (S:TM), he's had a wonderfully happy and care-free childhood. Perfect parents, simple farm life, no problems of any kind. They can't relate to that which makes them ignore or even hate the character even more. If the movie showed he had problems like ordinary kids, problems with dating (on top of him worrying constantly he'd break the girl's bones if he hugged her too tight), you name it, it would help the "But he's too happy!" image he seems to have with some (way too many IMO :cwink:) folks.

We do see sad moments like that in comics but not everyone reads comics, especially those not in favour of Superman anyway, so the movieverse seems like the only chance to show them his life was far from 100% happy. He's also not just some muscly man that solves everything with fists, he's very clever too. A movie should bring some light to that.

You can still make the character happy and the movie bright and fun to watch with sadder scenes included, you just have to show the audience he is strong enough in personality to overcome his issues and his worries, that despite him being impossibly stronger physically than everyone else or him still searching for that special someone in his life, he is not unhappy. He is dealing with problems on a day to day basis, like everybody else. And that superpowers don't give him a free pass/make life easier for him or make him unrelatable. That's a big issue with some people who dislike him.

If it's shown he can overcome bad things thrown his way on top of his already hectic life and he still has to deal with everyday things viewers are familiar with, he can be an inspiration to them.

Sorry for the length, the topic's been on my mind for a long time.
 
I rather a Superman film like Batman 89 were he already Superman but its his first year crime fighting. And he faces Braniac.

I'd agree accept that I'd start on his first day at the Planet. I'd like to see the relationships between the actors grow from the first scene instead of already being established.
 
Really, I have no preference. I'm there for either an origin or an established Superman film. I just want one already.
 
I'd agree accept that I'd start on his first day at the Planet. I'd like to see the relationships between the actors grow from the first scene instead of already being established.

Well he could already be Superman but start working at the Planet. The opening could have a Batman 89 like opening except a little different. Robbers rob a 7/11 and they go to their hide out. Superman sees the whole thing and follows them.

They talk and stuff about Superman and stuff and they afraid of him cause of his alien abilities. Then Superman comes down and kick their ass. Their try using weapons and all but no affect whats so ever. Cool opening.

Or have Superman fight someone.
 
Smalliville Clark isn't the real Superman ... it's a DC Elseworld's tale at best...
We need the real origin retold...
Forget the rocket ship and the Kents...
Lots of stuff happened before and after...

Clark traveled the world remember?
Smallville makes me think he (will) just got up one day and decided to become Superman...
 
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the Smallville show is exactly why the movie needs to be an origin story. That show screwed up superman's origins so much that prolly all the young people actually think thats wat it should be.
 
the Smallville show is exactly why the movie needs to be an origin story. That show screwed up superman's origins so much that prolly all the young people actually think thats wat it should be.

Hes an alien from another planet raised on a Kansas farm, how did they screw up? Anyways this smallville argument is besides the point. In my opinion I say do what TIH did with the Hulk origin and do it during a cool opening credits sequence. Geez, i mean everyone knows what it is so there is no need to devout half of the movie to it, after watching SR and not see Superman punching anything I say get right into the story.
 
Hes an alien from another planet raised on a Kansas farm, how did they screw up? Anyways this smallville argument is besides the point. In my opinion I say do what TIH did with the Hulk origin and do it during a cool opening credits sequence. Geez, i mean everyone knows what it is so there is no need to devout half of the movie to it, after watching SR and not see Superman punching anything I say get right into the story.

ok just because you know it not everybody knows Superman's origins and ppl on here need to let that sink in.

Theres a whole new generation that might not know and there are non comic book fans who might now know. And how long has it been since Superman's origins have been told in film?

If you dont want an origin story fine but dont say "Everybody knows his origins" because thats the most lame/flawed argument against it
 
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Smallville did **** up alot of things. Green Arrow killing Lex. Clark joining the JL before he Superman. Green Arrow leader of JL. Oliver dating Lois. Chole character. But anyways an orgin story be cool but again. Have a Batman 89 type movie were he in year 1 but already Superman and people know he exists and all that but still new to the world and city. And have to earn the people respect. They can do also BB and show flashbacks of him growing up. Their perfect!
 
what i'd like to see is the krypton sequence DavidTyler suggested, see kal's rocket fly off into space and fade into the titles, and when the titles are over jump straight to clark moving into metropolis for his new job at the daily planet. a couple of phone calls to ma kent with some exposition about him being found in a cornfield and your set. 20-25 min, backstory done and plenty of time left for him to be superman on screen
 
ok just because you know it not everybody knows Superman's origins and ppl on here need to let that sink in.

Theres a whole new generation that might not know and there are non comic book fans who might now know. And how long has it been since Superman's origins have been told in film?

If you dont want an origin story fine but dont say "Everybody knows his origins" because thats the most lame/flawed argument against it

Im not against an origin, I am against the typical superhero film formula where half of the first film is the origin and we half to wait for the sequel to get to the real action. Thats my biggest problem with the first superman film was there was just too much origin, i just thought to myself "i already knew all this stuff"
 

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