Police kill owner's dog in front of him and other onlookers

[Thundercrack85]

I will say this at least doesn't look entirely unprovoked. Not like that time they shot a labrador in its crate, during a drug bust (in the wrong house no less).

 

[Thundercrack85]

So I saw the full, unedited video... pretty messed up.

But I can't see anyone getting in trouble over this.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

There's another video on YouTube of a police officer pepper spraying a baby squirrel because he thought it was harming the kids.

 

[Immortalfire]

I freaking hate the police.

Then next time you're in trouble, call a crackhead.

 

[The Question]

Then next time you're in trouble, call a crackhead.

A police force is a necessary thing for a large society to have, but that doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate and extremely serious criticisms to be made at the ones we have in the United States.

 

[RockSP]

My my my @ some of the responses in this thread. I recall a time on the Hype where to suggest that there are cops that are not bastions of human perfection was to be met with all kinds of derision and vilification. I guess all it takes is for an animal to be harmed.

 

[Katara Rises]

A police force is a necessary thing for a large society to have, but that doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate and extremely serious criticisms to be made at the ones we have in the United States.

Yeah, there's always going to be some bad people in a large bunch. However, some people (like Ultimatehero) seem to think that because there's a couple of bad guys, all the police are bad and evil and corrupted. Yes, it's good to try and reduce corruption, but it's ridiculous to thing you can remove all evil completely.

None of that is about this thread anyways. If you seriously think this cop is "corrupt", because he tried to defend himself, I don't know what to say.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, it's the circumstances that are most problematic. They arrested this guy for no legitimate reason, something they now seem to be admitting. The whole thing could have been avoided if the officers involved weren't so heavy-handed.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, there's always going to be some bad people in a large bunch. However, some people (like Ultimatehero) seem to think that because there's a couple of bad guys, all the police are bad and evil and corrupted. Yes, it's good to try and reduce corruption, but it's ridiculous to thing you can remove all evil completely.

The thing is, the problems go way beyond just a couple of bad guys. It's lack of internal regulation and accountability. It's the long history of internal coverups of misconduct. It's huge systemic patterns of racism, over use of force, sexual assault, pathetically low hiring standards, and the policy of shifting tactics training and hardware away from that of a civilian law enforcement agency and toward that of a domestic military force. The problem is with the way these organizations are run that allow these bad guys to get power to abuse in the first place.

None of that is about this thread anyways. If you seriously think this cop is "corrupt", because he tried to defend himself, I don't know what to say.

Corrupt? Maybe not. Unqualified for his job and far to quick to violence? An argument can be made. An argument that I support.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

If that was my dog all of those ****in' pigs would be dead.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah, there's always going to be some bad people in a large bunch. However, some people (like Ultimatehero) seem to think that because there's a couple of bad guys, all the police are bad and evil and corrupted. Yes, it's good to try and reduce corruption, but it's ridiculous to thing you can remove all evil completely.

None of that is about this thread anyways. If you seriously think this cop is "corrupt", because he tried to defend himself, I don't know what to say.

There was no need to defend himself. You can tell the dog is "posting" up in a stance. Until it charges it is no threat. The dog was bouncing, but it wasn't charging. All the cop had to do was stay calm, and ask the man to calm his dog. If that couldn't be done then a simple single shot into the ground would have scared the dog. Most dogs are terrified of gun fire. There was absolutely no need to shoot that dog down. Dogs react based on the behavior of those around them. If you are nervous or being a dick the dog will respond with agression. So all this comes down to is a ***** ass cop who overreacted cause he didn't know what the hell he was doing.

A gun should always be the last resort after all else fails. This being LA tho I've gotten used to their "shoot first ask questions later" wild west tactics.

 

[Katara Rises]

There was no need to defend himself. You can tell the dog is "posting" up in a stance. Until it charges it is no threat. The dog was bouncing, but it wasn't charging. All the cop had to do was stay calm, and ask the man to calm his dog. If that couldn't be done then a simple single shot into the ground would have scared the dog. Most dogs are terrified of gun fire. There was absolutely no need to shoot that dog down. Dogs react based on the behavior of those around them. If you are nervous or being a dick the dog will respond with agression. So all this comes down to is a ***** ass cop who overreacted cause he doesnt know what the hell he was doing.

I agree, although I don't approve of what the police officer did, I can see where he's coming from in being in the heat of the moment and defending himself.

He might not be qualified for the job. However, this is not a sign of "corruptness".

I guess I just got upset because a ton of people on that video's comments, and on this thread, are bad mouthing all police, saying they ALL are incompetent, trigger happy idiots because of one case.

 

[The Question]

I agree, although I don't approve of what the police officer did, I can see where he's coming from in being in the heat of the moment and defending himself.

He might not be qualified for the job. However, this is not a sign of "corruptness".

I guess I just got upset because a ton of people on that video's comments, and on this thread, are bad mouthing all police, saying they ALL are incompetent, trigger happy idiots because of one case.

I think a lot of people are frustrated with law enforcement in the united states because of legitimate problems that are a result of serious flaws in how police departments are ran and operated. But they don't fully understand the nature of the problem or they don't have the words to articulate their frustration, so it just comes out as blind anger.

 

[Ant-manic]

Then next time you're in trouble, call a crackhead.

crackheads can be motivated to do just about anything.

 

[Marvolo]

I agree, although I don't approve of what the police officer did, I can see where he's coming from in being in the heat of the moment and defending himself.

He might not be qualified for the job. However, this is not a sign of "corruptness".

I guess I just got upset because a ton of people on that video's comments, and on this thread, are bad mouthing all police, saying they ALL are incompetent, trigger happy idiots because of one case.

Yeah I don't think the officer was corrupt just not very smart or not trained to exercise restraint.

I'd also like to say I don't think all cops are bad by nature. Cops are needed and I've had great to bad experiences with them. I like and appreciate the good ones. They do a great service for awful pay. Cant ask for much more. Like all organizations you get bad ones in the group. Cant blame em all.

 

[bullets]

I will say this at least doesn't look entirely unprovoked. Not like that time they shot a Labrador in its crate, during a drug bust (in the wrong house no less).

I actually mentioned that on the previous page of this thread. Also that I thought the cop ( who shot the dog in front of onlookers) might of been on edge because there was a big situation going on at the time. There were ways to circumvent the incident , but the officer wanted to pull his trigger and knew he could get away with it. I'd go so far as to say I he might of enjoyed killing the dog. I don't think he's a good cop , but at least I would know he would have my back if I was part of the unit.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

He wasn't just walking his dog, he drove by and asked the cops what was going on. They told him to turn his music down, he didn't. He stopped his car, got out with his dog, and started recording while still leaving his car's music on.

I'm not absolving the cops for what happened, but this isn't someone who was just walking by with their dog that the cops started giving a hard time for absolutely no reason.

He was doing absolutely nothing to warrant being arrested, and even less to warrant a gun being drawn. It may have been a smartass form of doing so, but he put his dog in the car, approached the police, and surrendered himself without a fight.

I actually mentioned that on the previous page of this thread. Also that I thought the cop ( who shot the dog in front of onlookers) might of been on edge because there was a big situation going on at the time. There were ways to circumvent the incident , but the officer wanted to pull his trigger and knew he could get away with it. I'd go so far as to say I he might of enjoyed killing the dog. I don't think he's a good cop , but at least I would know he would have my back if I was part of the unit.

If the situation was so big, then he didn't need to be wasting his time arresting a man who was doing nothing more than video taping and playing his music too loud.

 

[Teelie]

Not all bad are cops corrupt, true. Some are just plain incompetent or inept to do their job.

That doesn't mean we don't have a right to criticize the poor decsions made by the police or their continued growing misuse and occasional abuse of power.

 

[Cosmic]

I don't see this as self-defense. Right before the bad cop kills the dog, he steps forward and aims the gun at its head. It looks like he wanted to antagonize the dog more just to have an excuse to open fire.

The other two cops should've made sure that the dog was secured in the vehicle before cuffing and frisking the owner. They look like they don't know what the hell they're doing.

 

[eddy]

Any of you ever see the video a few years ago of cops doing a night raid on a guy's house and then shooting his dogs when they busted inside? Right in front of his family. It was pretty horrifying.

Edited.

I've actually found videos of situations like this on youtube.

Here is a another "incident" . ... Columbia, Missouri SWAT Raid 2/11/2010. Cops immediately shoot restrained dog in front of child, then seconds later fire several more shots.

I think thats the same video.

 

[StarLord]

Rosby said he was filming to ''make sure nobodies civil rights were being violated''.... erm why exactly?

If there was an incident in my or a near by neighborhood with a few cop cars there, I wouldn't go about filming it! Just let them do their damn job and don't interfere.

 

[The Question]

Rosby said he was filming to ''make sure nobodies civil rights were being violated''.... erm why exactly?

Because it's within his legal rights to do so and sometimes the police do violate people's civil rights and it's good to have a recording of their actions if they do so if it goes to court. It's a means by which civilians can hold law enforcement accountable for their actions. Honestly, I think every citizen should record every interaction they have with any branch of law enforcement. It helps keep everyone involved honest.

 

[OctaviusINC]

The police are suppose to "protect and serve", right? It used to say that on their cars anyway.

Last year my car broke down on the side of the road. I was checking what was wrong and about to call my insurance company to get it towed. Turns out a piece of metal in the middle of the road hooked onto my undercarriage. A cop car approached. First thing I thought was, "Oh. Great. He can help me out."

Instead he proclaimed that I was drunk (I don't drink). And wrote me a ticket saying I ran over a state sign (clearly didn't). He then insisted that I needed to get my car off the side of the road "right now" and said my insurance towing would take too long and forced me to call a local towing company.

I later found out police profit from a percentage of the cost of a local tow.

Everything was worked out and set straight of course...by me with a lot of time, complaining, and phone calls.

But I feel like police are just real life trolls. Protecting and serving has taken a back to seat to profiting and corrupting.

 

[eddy]

The cops probably put the metal there themselves. Like in The Hills Have Eyes. I'm joking..or am I?

 

[bullets]

I don't see this as self-defense. Right before the bad cop kills the dog, he steps forward and aims the gun at its head. It looks like he wanted to antagonize the dog more just to have an excuse to open fire.

The other two cops should've made sure that the dog was secured in the vehicle before cuffing and frisking the owner. They look like they don't know what the hell they're doing.

Some people are saying the dog lunged at him , but you can clearly see him taunting the dog. That's why I think he might of enjoyed it.