Pregnant Man

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually I don't think you're alone in having that "twin" feeling. My best friend is gay. When he was growing up, he often befriended or felt a kinship with children who also wound up coming out later, even though way back then they all didn't comprehended the idea. Even his "girlfriend" in middle school he discovered was of the female persuasion two years after she moved away.

Things like that kind of give me a better understanding of that situation, how deep it goes, even though I am not in it myself. But the transgendered thing is still pretty much a mystery to me. Like I said, the whole female brain in a male body and vice versa is part of an anomoly (sp?) that would be difficult to explain to adults let alone to a toddler (believing that the body is merely a shell is very odd to me... if it were so unimportant in who someone really is, why would a transgendered person be happier once they fundementally altered it?)

It is a very delicate situation, and I hope everyone involved thought very hard about the decision, and anyone who goes off and says "they should totally go for it because it's their right!" and "they should never do that because it's against nature!" might be correct (both statements are true imo haha), but are not thinking it through to benefit of the child (and the community, really).

The friend thing is interesting, while not exactly that twin thing i have... i do know what you mean, many gay guys growing up end up "experimenting" during the high school years... sometimes it ends up being with a guy who is gay, sometimes it's strait. which poses and so far i've actually seen more proof to it then not, and thats that guys can be very sexually curious about the same sex growing up, just many don't go far with that curiosity and very very few will admit it. Strait men hold there masculinity very high.

it is a very delicate situation, but i think the childs the most important part, nothing else really matters to me. The kid has a very happy family and a family that will obviously do anything for it. The community around them actually seems very acceptive as well so that's always a plus, but at the same time.. should we really care what the community thinks? I'd hate to live my life just because the people around me didn't find it ok

 

[Memphis Slim]

It's like arguing about breathing.

This was not a pregnant male.

This was NEVER a pregnant male.

Having human males carry children to term is the ultimate in selfishness because you risk human life for no good reason.

We've had the capability for around three decades but most rational folk believe that it would take the irradication of all females on the planet to make us go there.

This was a biological female who decided she was male - then had a kid - PERIOD.

And the folks condoning this crap are grossed out by the Father / daughter coupling???

Wow.......

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And the folks condoning this crap are grossed out by the Father / daughter coupling???

Wow.......

what disgusts you more? the fact in your eyes there lesbians? or because theres a sex change? surely your not grossed out by a genetically female giving birth

 

[Banquet]

The community around them actually seems very acceptive as well so that's always a plus, but at the same time.. should we really care what the community thinks? I'd hate to live my life just because the people around me didn't find it ok

That is good. To me, it is important what the community thinks... not because the status quo is always right or should dictate how others act, but in order to support the people within a group, there needs to be some regard to the community concerns. S'all I'm sayin. I'm a pacifist. t:

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That is good. To me, it is important what the community thinks... not because the status quo is always right or should dictate how others act, but in order to support the people within a group, there needs to be some regard to the community concerns. S'all I'm sayin. I'm a pacifist. t:

o i think its great when the community cares, but when they don't? screw em.. and move. I wouldn't base my decisions off of what people think who are not in my own personal bubble... friends, family and person im in a relationship with are the only ones who could effect my decision making other then myself.

 

[chaseter]

dude, not offense, but since he was born "biologically a woman" and has a womb, he has just as much as a god damn right to have a kid as any woman. Maybe you should be yelling at ALL people for not adopting. Your being very bitter about this for the mere fact that you were adopted, and act like this person was risking soooo much, hell you know what this guy risked the mose? his integrity and his strength, he's now shunned by even the trans gender community. And before you start your crap again about "but why endanger the kid yadda yadda yadda that we've been through five billion times already, His HORMONES ARE AT A NORMAL FEMALE LEVEL... and have been for a while... the girl isn't magically going to comb out of the womb with a beard and an adams apple. Stop acting like the hormones are messing it up. the hormones would effect the kid in development in the womb, not later.

He is not a 'he' if he still has 'female' parts. The End. She is not a man and remains a biological woman. You can sprinkle glitter on a turd but in the end, it is still a turd. I am not being bitter by the fact that they didn't consider adopting...I still have my bioloical mother I am being bitter how he/she is coming off in the media...talking more about their struggle than the thinking about the development and latter life of the child they are creating. He/she should of thought about risking his/her integrity and his/her strength before he/she decided to pose in magazines, talk to reporters, and go on Oprah. There is a thing called patient confidentiality and it is law. Where do you think the story started from

That is great that his female hormones are at normal level...wtf that doesn't even make sense. But the elevated male hormones left over and stored in his/her body may have an effect on the kid's development. It is funny how you throw everything off just because you want to prove a point that coincides with your lifestyle. Hate me because I want the baby to be normal I will stop acting like the hormones won't do **** when you either get your PhD in biological sciences, study fetal development, and compile a list of examples where these exact situations have proven to be safe 95% of the time or higher. You sound like you know tons of science

 

[spideyboy_1111]

He is not a 'he' if he still has 'female' parts. The End. She is not a man and remains a biological woman. You can sprinkle glitter on a turd but in the end, it is still a turd. I am not being bitter by the fact that they didn't consider adopting...I still have my bioloical mother I am being bitter how he/she is coming off in the media...talking more about their struggle than the thinking about the development and latter life of the child they are creating. He/she should of thought about risking his/her integrity and his/her strength before he/she decided to pose in magazines, talk to reporters, and go on Oprah. There is a thing called patient confidentiality and it is law. Where do you think the story started from

That is great that his female hormones are at normal level...wtf that doesn't even make sense. But the elevated male hormones left over and stored in his/her body may have an effect on the kid's development. It is funny how you throw everything off just because you want to prove a point that coincides with your lifestyle. Hate me because I want the baby to be normal I will stop acting like the hormones won't do **** when you either get your PhD in biological sciences, study fetal development, and compile a list of examples where these exact situations have proven to be safe 95% of the time or higher. You sound like you know tons of science

I've never debated on the male/female thing I call him a HE after 1) respect 2) legal law, I don't believe in calling people what they DON'T wish to be called.

THEY DIDNT EFFECT THE CHILD AND THERE NOT STORED WITHIN THE KID WAITING TO TURN HER IN TO A FREAK.... GET OFF IT. THE BABY IS NORMAL... and there are no health effects for the last time.

 

[Marx]

And the folks condoning this crap are grossed out by the Father / daughter coupling???

Wow.......

Come on now, Slim. Incest is not right. The "Pregnant Man" being discussed here isn't a man at all. He was biologically born a woman. It all boils down to two women, who are in love, and have decided to have a child together.

 

[chaseter]

I've never debated on the male/female thing I call him a HE after 1) respect 2) legal law, I don't believe in calling people what they DON'T wish to be called.

THEY DIDNT EFFECT THE CHILD AND THERE NOT STORED WITHIN THE KID WAITING TO TURN HER IN TO A FREAK.... GET OFF IT. THE BABY IS NORMAL... and there are no health effects for the last time.

You have some issues dude. All I want is a healthy baby in the end and I was just weighing the possible risks involved. I am neither condemning nor confirming anything. However, you are confirming everything and anything that is beyond your personal knowledge of this situation coupled with scientific data.

It's great the baby is fine now, great news...no one is arguing differently. However, not all problems during pregnancy are found through sonograms, blood tests, and other fetal tests. But do you not understand that the child may be affected later in life after birth or during development??? I asked you to give examples of this same situation happening elsewhere and providing evidence that these events provided a 95% chance or higher success rate, yielding a healthy child. You want to be scientific beyond your own opinions of the situation...I am still waiting. You still haven't rebutted the affects of male hormones in a woman carrying a child.

But since you love Spider-Man...I only argue out of love

 

[chaseter]

Come on now, Slim. Incest is not right. The "Pregnant Man" being discussed here isn't a man at all. He was biologically born a woman. It all boils down to two women, who are in love, and have decided to have a child together.

Incest wasn't illegal 200 years ago and was common in Europe for monarchies. Who are you to say that the father and daughter are not in love Saying incest is not right is a matter of opinion (which I share with you, I am just playing devil's advocate). Just like this situation is a matter of opinion.

 

[Eggyman]

Physical deformities aside, this kid's gonna grow up surrounded by madness because its 'dad' is also its mum.

Could cause psychological damage in later life.

 

[Marx]

Incest wasn't illegal 200 years ago and was common in Europe for monarchies. Who are you to say that the father and daughter are not in love Saying incest is not right is a matter of opinion (which I share with you, I am just playing devil's advocate). Just like this situation is a matter of opinion.

I'm fully aware about incest and European monarchies. You're right, it is a matter of opinion. The bottom line to this whole situation with "the pregnant man" is that he isn't really a man.

Physical deformities aside, this kid's gonna grow up surrounded by madness because its 'dad' is also its mum.

Could cause psychological damage in later life.

Psychological damage can occur in any child from any environment.

 

[Eggyman]

I know. My point still stands, albeit watered down some.

 

[dolfan55aj]

this dude deserves to be SMACKED

i'm sorry, this jus grosses me out

 

[Marx]

this dude deserves to be SMACKED

i'm sorry, this jus grosses me out

Look beyond your own hatred and open up your mind a little bit. This "dude" isn't a "dude." This "dude" is a biologically born woman. A biologically born woman who is having a child with someone whom she loves. The child is said to be perfectly healthy as well. Who are you to question that Dolfan?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You have some issues dude. All I want is a healthy baby in the end and I was just weighing the possible risks involved. I am neither condemning nor confirming anything. However, you are confirming everything and anything that is beyond your personal knowledge of this situation coupled with scientific data.

It's great the baby is fine now, great news...no one is arguing differently. However, not all problems during pregnancy are found through sonograms, blood tests, and other fetal tests. But do you not understand that the child may be affected later in life after birth or during development??? I asked you to give examples of this same situation happening elsewhere and providing evidence that these events provided a 95% chance or higher success rate, yielding a healthy child. You want to be scientific beyond your own opinions of the situation...I am still waiting. You still haven't rebutted the affects of male hormones in a woman carrying a child.

But since you love Spider-Man...I only argue out of love

1) you obviously haven't weighed the risks because there doesn't seem to be much of a hormone worry at all, yet your constantly freaking out about it, bringing it up every single time. These people wanted to have a kid, he is able to have one, the doctor found a safe way to do it, the babies healthy, they've all researched the risks and found a way to do it successfully. I'm basing what i know off of what THEY, and the DOCTORS have said. Your not.

2) this situation is new... the child is healthy, he is at a normal female hormone level, so he isn't carrying a bunch of male hormones... hes been off the hormones for a while. Theres no scientific data to base this situation off of so were both wrong in that retrospect. But everyones very optimistic and everything is fine. This is a normal pregnancy according to there OBGYN and i trust her knowledge more then yours.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Physical deformities aside, this kid's gonna grow up surrounded by madness because its 'dad' is also its mum.

Could cause psychological damage in later life.

not really... it's much different when you've been raised in a situation out of the norm, rather then suddenly changed into it. She will have a mom and a dad. and for a while that's all she will care about.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

Physical deformities aside, this kid's gonna grow up surrounded by madness because its 'dad' is also its mum.

Could cause psychological damage in later life.

Eggy above all that kid is gonna be loved, that will cause a hell of a lot less damage than say a neglectful parent or even a family with lots of kids, so your point there is kind invalid.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

And the folks condoning this crap are grossed out by the Father / daughter coupling???

Wow.......

Of course you would say that, you believe some big dude with magical powers created man out of dirt and woman from a rib and yet you still respect the opinions of some neurotic bearded man claiming to be his human incarnate, (which FYI was stolen from a Minoan myth, but lets face it almost everything in Christianity is stolen) and another good point is said "Bearded Man" went round picking up guys wearing skirts, sounds pretty gay to me.