Prince of Persia:The Sands of Time

[carrrnuttt]

carrrrrrrrnut, Rachel Dawes, and any other poster claiiming that Persians are caucasian (esp. carrrnut) ****. You're grasping at straws here. You are intentionally looking for persians that kind of look white and most of them don't. First of all, if you look beyond skin colour and look at the facial features of those people, you can see that they are indeed obviously Persian. Persian's skin colours go from white as snow to black as night. SURPRISE!!!! Even when I stress the facial features, those still differ. Think about all of the interracial relationships that have happened since the wars and alliances with the arabs, the assyrians, the babylonians, the many greeks, the romans, the indians, the africans. The list goes on. In terms of eye colour, again there is green, blue, hazel, orange/light brown (like me), brown, dark-dark brow or even grey like my great uncle. Even hariness differs. I **** on the head of any Persian calling themselves Caucasian or even Middle-Eastern because frankly they are not Caucasian, that would be generalizing the rest of the entire Persian population around the globe and those calling themselves Middle-Eastern are still looking at the world through a primative Euro-Centric way. Welcome to the 21st century; where unity in diversity is the norm. Two sides here talk **** like they know what a Persian looks like. Some say brown and hairy while others say caucasian. The original issue wasn't what he looked like, because frankly if he spoke Farsi to me I wouldn't be surprised (hell his character is even nammed after an Albino Prince from the Epic "Shahnameh") but that he is not Persian in descent. There were many other actors that could and should have been picked (like M.R.G.) but JG is picked, and I don't care anymore as this is Hollywood, the capitalist empire run by many racist jewish executives who refuse to cast anyone of any other ethnicity. Society has progressed at a rate much faster than Hollywood and they need to catch up. Brando brought this to their attention many times in his life (since the 70s) and they've chosen to ignore it. What's done is done. Drop it. If either side says anything, don't reat to the other acting as an inciting goad.

Sorry for my rant, this is just becoming really irritating.

Being a Persian yourself, I respect your opinion. However, most of what I know is based on Persians I knew and their families. The Persian girl I dated, I thought was white, at first. She had green eyes. They were Christian, and had been in the US since they fled Iran in 1979, and I was always "just her brother's friend," as she'd never be allowed to date non-Persians, if any of that means anything. I also take into account the other stuff I quoted from other Persians, especially the fact they state that Northern Persians are pretty much white (quotes repeated at the end of this post, in case you missed them). Not to mention the Persian online mag I quoted that specifically calls Jake "Persian-looking."

We can only argue from the positions we know about, and this is what I have known up to this point. Look at the pictures of the Greek people I posted. They look more "exotic" than any of the Persians posted in this thread.

You're in a position to educate me further than what [I think] I know. I asked for that from HR, but he wasn't in a position to top my sources. You are, so feel free. PM me if you wish.

Yes Iranians are mostly white... you're right... southern parts of Iran has even African black inhabitants but as you travel upper and upper u see different types of people... for example south eastern Iranian look more like Pakistani, i don't mention Afgans because they areOriginal Persian too and they are considered white (except those mongolian Afgans, cuz look more mongols or chineese). in north eastern you can see people more like central asian (even with oriental eyes) countries like Uzbakistan. north and center of Iran has mostly white caucasian skin and western and north western parts you'll see white poeple also Turkish looks and Kurds. kurds who are considered as Original Persians therefore you can find Aryan Persians on north eastern - northern and central and northe western and western parts. at last you cant clasify Persians as Middle eastern because Middle easterns (refers to most arab countries + some northern African countries) has semitic origin and Persian have Aryan origin.

Middle eastern people are considered Caucasoid. This doesn't mean you have to have blonde hair and blue eyes--though actually a surprising amount of persians DO. (green eyes are common too.) Making them out to be ALL dark is just another stereotype--like all Irish have red hair (most are dark), English are blonde and Germanic looking (50% have brown hair/eyes),all Spaniards are dark--many are fair and even blue eyed esp in the north.

I'd like to know where some of the brainboxes on here imagine the ancestors of modern Europeans came from? Mars? Atlantis? Well, the fact is They came out of the near and middle east,with the last major migrations in the neolithic--around 6000-8000 years ago. They share many of the same dna types as the average Europeans or older types from which these haplogroups descended.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

At first I thought Jake just looked like some white guy dressing up as the Prince for Halloween, but the movie looks too awesome to get hung up on that. I've gotten used to his look now.

Focus on what is, not what isn't.

 

[omid17]

 

[BestGirl]

The race thing is just not gonna go away. I mean you don't see the Wachowski's casting caucasians in Ninja Assassins. I give them props. But Hollywood can avoid this controversy by doing itself a favor and going overseas for actors in these types of films. Maybe even bring in some foreign film makers if you are reluctant to cast foreign leads. I just appreciate more authenticity, and guys like Bruckheimer seem to do anything but that.

I would love it if Hollywood would be bolder in its casting choices but I don't think there's yet been much incentive to be. Outside of internet message boards are many people complaining about a non-Persian prince?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^The answer is probably not because most don't know that the movie exists yet.

 

[XxDelta09xX]

At first I thought Jake just looked like some white guy dressing up as the Prince for Halloween, but the movie looks too awesome to get hung up on that. I've gotten used to his look now.

Focus on what is, not what isn't.

Agreed.t:

 

[Dr. Evil]

^The answer is probably not because most don't know that the movie exists yet.

They will if a trailer is shown during Super Bowl Sunday, which is possible.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I hope one is and I hope and and other people respond well to it.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Point blank right here. They're not gonna invest what 150 million or so into this and not get a big name star they can market.

Most of the time a name will sell the movie. I said most of the time. so don't everyone throw a fit. When people invest this amount of money they expect to get it back, plus much more.

What do you think is gonna sell better in the US? A movie that has a name most people know of or a unknown guy from a different country no one knows about in the US?

I know its not right, but that's just business. The movie business is about making money. If you have a 150 million and wanna cast a unknown in your film and possibly not make your money back go right ahead. It's all whether you want your film to succeed at all.

 

[omid17]

^ Exactly

 

[ttotheusher]

I actually see the casting of JG as a throw-back to the good old days of the Harryhausen Sinbad movies. Aside from The Golden Voyage.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

JG looks like the Prince.

He sounds like him, too.

That's all I need, as far as what I want from his performance being in line with the game.

The action looks spot on, as far as how he moves around.

 

[BlackLantern]

no one complained when Johhny Weismuller was clean shaven and short haired playing Tarzan

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nobody complained about Yuri Lowenthal.

I kinda heard a little about the complaints of Nolan North.

 

[dark_b]

(PS, if you think Jake looks like the prince you're blind. His hair isn't even the right colour and his eyes are droopy.)

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Jerry should have filmed his son playing the game
Then the fans would be happy!!

 

[BestGirl]

Point blank right here. They're not gonna invest what 150 million or so into this and not get a big name star they can market.

Most of the time a name will sell the movie. I said most of the time. so don't everyone throw a fit. When people invest this amount of money they expect to get it back, plus much more.

What do you think is gonna sell better in the US? A movie that has a name most people know of or a unknown guy from a different country no one knows about in the US?

I know its not right, but that's just business. The movie business is about making money. If you have a 150 million and wanna cast a unknown in your film and possibly not make your money back go right ahead. It's all whether you want your film to succeed at all.

I'm curious to see how Thor will do with a complete unknown in the lead.

 

[dark_b]

I'm curious to see how Thor will do with a complete unknown in the lead.

they have the guy who played Hannibal . they have Portman. they have Stellan Skarsgård.

 

[nocomics]

jake looks exactly like the prince get over it

This.

 

[BestGirl]

POP has a pretty well-known supporting cast as well, but they wanted a famous lead. Thor's hero isn't known to anyone except film geeks. I want to see how that works out for them.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I think the Thor tactic is the same as the one they had with Christopher Reeves as Superman. Hire someone relatively unknown but get some well known supporting actors to make up for it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, they've got a pretty damn impressive cast with Thor and they've made up for a relatively unkown in the lead.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

they have the guy who played Hannibal . they have Portman. they have Stellan Skarsgård.

I want to know who bases which movies they see off how famous the lead actor is.

If a movie looks awesome, I'm seeing it.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm curious to see how Thor will do with a complete unknown in the lead.

and Kenneth Branagh helming

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Being a Persian yourself, I respect your opinion. However, most of what I know is based on Persians I knew and their families. The Persian girl I dated, I thought was white, at first. She had green eyes. They were Christian, and had been in the US since they fled Iran in 1979, and I was always "just her brother's friend," as she'd never be allowed to date non-Persians, if any of that means anything. I also take into account the other stuff I quoted from other Persians, especially the fact they state that Northern Persians are pretty much white (quotes repeated at the end of this post, in case you missed them). Not to mention the Persian online mag I quoted that specifically calls Jake "Persian-looking."

We can only argue from the positions we know about, and this is what I have known up to this point. Look at the pictures of the Greek people I posted. They look more "exotic" than any of the Persians posted in this thread.

You're in a position to educate me further than what [I think] I know. I asked for that from HR, but he wasn't in a position to top my sources. You are, so feel free. PM me if you wish.

The issue that people were concerned about wasn't what he looked like, it was the mere fact that he is NOT Persian. He's not even from the same CONTINENT!!! No joke I would have preferred an Arab or a Malaysian actor who looked just as much like the Prince for the mere fact that they at least TRIED to hire someone even REMOTELY close.

You seem to stick to your point that many Persians look white and I never denied that, in fact I said it's true due to the history behind the people. Let me make this more clear. THE ISSUE WAS THAT HE IS NOT PERSIAN!!!

Again, I don't really care but this has turned into an argument as such:

"I don't like that lamp because it was made in a Chinese sweat shop"
"But it looks exactly the same."
"But they are not the same as one is made in China."
"But they look the same."

I give up. PM me if you care to, otherwise I'll just be adding you to my ignore list. (That would make you the lucky THIRD poster to be on my list of ignorees!!!)