Prometheus - Part 3

[dark_b]

I don't want this film to explain and reveal more then it should.

but this is Ridley Scott. he explained the Blade Runner ending and pissed a lot fans. because he took away something from them. thats like Nolan giving an official answer on the BR what the ending in Inception is and means. i have 100 similar examples

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

if the alien standing next to the chair is a mutated crew member then this is in the middle or end of the movie. since the crew member will get infected in the first act.

but in the first act the prometheus crew goes inside a room with a human statue. which means that the connection to humans started before the prometheus crew got there. plus there is a dead alien next to the statue.

now of course we could say that a previous spaceship crew got to that planet bla bla bla. lazy writting. if they are trying to explain the space jockey then the twist can not just be that he is human from the past.

someone created the alien xenomorph. and the story is about humans stealing something.

How do you know this? Has the script leaked?

 

[dark_b]

The alien standing next to the Space Jockey chair doesn't look like he has a normal facial structure. It looks statue-esque, and his eyes look almost like they extend further to the side than normal human eyes, kind of like the eyes of a grey would. It could just be the dark lighting, but I'm left wondering if the eyes of the Jockey are similar to human eyes at all.

EDIT: And it almost looks like he isn't wearing a suit, but that's his actual body, especially the way it seems to grow into his hands, which aren't covered.

i looked again at the screencap. and dear lord you are maybe right. it lokos like his eyes are more on the side. interesting

 

[dark_b]

I wonder what awoke the creative genius hibernating in Ridley Scott.

dont forget that the first version that he wanted to make was not greenlight . if you have no idea what i am talking about i suggest to go back to the first page from the first thread and read every interview and every leaked news story from what happened inside the studio.

what you see inside this trailer is a compromise between Ridley Scott and FOX. not trying to complain. i am hyped about this movie.

 

[DACrowe]

Alien is a perfect example of my point. Alien isn't awe inspiring because it is straight sci-fi, it is because it sets a horror story in a science fiction setting while playing with the audience's expectations of what makes a hero.

It's still a sci-fi horror film. It was better than any combination of those genre elements before it (IMO) but it was still a sci-fi movie and Ridley nor anybody would disagree with that. And it's still a masterpiece.

To call Lawrence of Arabia a War film is completely off base imo. It is clearly a character piece; the exploration of a man's soul.

It's about a man's soul in part and his amazing character, but it is also an anti-war film about how the politics and violence of it corrupt the beauty of the land and soul as per mentioned before. But perhaps a better description of it would be a biopic? It's far above most biopics, but it is based on a real man's life but completely subverts and ignores the conventions of the genre.

Goodfellas, the Godfather, Gone with the Wind and even Ben-Hur changed genres. If they were simply examples of the genre in which they found their roots, they wouldn't change them. What a gangster film was before the Godfather, is not what one was after its release. Same with Goodfellas. They provided the genres with a completely need energy, a breath of fresh air if you will.

You seem to be arguing that just because they were better than any other film ever made on the subject matter--on which I agree--that they are not gangster films. No, they are still gangster films. Scorsese has often called himself a "genre filmmaker" because of his numerous crime movies. You can transcend or deeply impact the genre, but that does not mean you're not of the genre. Your argument is that if it is much better than its contemporary films within the genre it has transcended it. I think it has in some ways, but it is still part of it. Example: I think The Dark Knight was way better than any superhero movie released before or since. But at the end of the day, it's still a superhero movie despite what its most diehard fans want to say.

Look at what sci-fi has become after Blade Runner. If it was simply what sci-fi was perceived before its release, it wouldn't have shaped the genre the way it has. The Empire Strikes back is a fantasy in a science fiction setting.

Not that a great film needs to change the industry. But if a film does that, then it is a good sign that it is a great film.

So, your original argument is that a "masterpiece" cannot be a genre film. But when there are genre films you consider "great" or "masterpieces," such as Blade Runner, they don't really count because they changed the way the industry and public viewed the genre? I'm getting confused in the muddling.

Anyway, back to your original point, if you are now saying impact on the industry and genre are what measures a masterpiece, then wouldn't Gladiator still count? Nobody had made a real sword and sandals epic that was successful in 40 years prior to it and after Gladiator the genre returned with much fanfare and everyone was trying to copy Gladiator. Many still are. It changed the way people made movies on that subject and similar films. Just saying.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Did not know androids can experience orgasms...

It's scenes like that in the trailer that make me wonder if the leak was legit.

Spoiler

They say the Android begins to change into a human according to the leak. They also talk about skeleton monsters, and one of the crew members appears to be turning into one towards the end there. If that synopsis leak was legit I'm ready because it sounded pretty awesome.

 

[chamber-music]

In the context of Ridley's remarks about DNA, though perhaps not intentionally literal; the very fact that even the original Xenomorph was able to mutate and effect humans and dogs etc, implies that in the Alien universe, organic DNA is at least partially compatible across species from different planets. That concept would strongly suggest a single original source for the DNA in order to retain this compatibility. DNA seeding could be a part of the Engineers terraforming. They may have simply been the very first species to develop interstellar travel capability and then went around seeding loads of planets, including Earth, making themselves literally gods and having the ability to later adjust evolved lifeforms on a seeded planet.

So judging by the Weyland logos on stuff I'm guessing this takes place before Weyland merges with Yutani.

We were debating before if when Nostromo crew recieved company orders from WeylandYuntani to investigate the signal from the derelict alien spacecraft if the company knew that Aliens were on the ship.

My theory is that the human crew in Prometheus don't make it back and are presumed missing and were last heard from in the region the Nostromo crew were passing through so WeylandYuntani orders them to investigate in hopes that its possibly the missing Promethues ship.

In the shot of someone, I think Fassbender, sitting up in bed with his hands on his head, you can totally see that he's not alone in that bed. There's another pair of legs there.

I think thats Logan Marshall Green on the bed.

The guy to the right in the picture of the crew firing guns looks like Ben Foster.

 

[dark_b]

My theory is that the human crew in Prometheus don't make it back and are presumed missing and were last heard from in the region the Nostromo crew were passing through so WeylandYuntani orders them to investigate in hopes that its possibly the missing Promethues ship.

a good theory.

 

[co2]

The bluray box set has come right down in price. I got it last year for about £55 and bought it for a friend yesterday for £18. Well worth it. They look like new films.
Bargain, Boom.

I saw the blu-ray set of all the films at Best Buy is down from originally $99, to now $49. Wow! I'm glad someone gave me mine as a gift or I'd be torked!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Finally saw the trailer, best trailer of the the movies coming out next year IMO, it simply looks amazing.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Independence Day sequel?

Spoiler

The rumor with the synopsis leak is...

Spoiler

They go to Earth during it's infancy and encounter "life's" creators. The shots certainly look like they could be on Earth

 

[Casius--J]

Just the saw the trailer, now this looks a bit good. I was always going to check this movie out but even more so now.

 

[chamber-music]

I saw the blu-ray set of all the films at Best Buy is down from originally $99, to now $49. Wow! I'm glad someone gave me mine as a gift or I'd be torked!

Best Buy in the UK just went out of business and had a fire sale so it was even cheaper over here

 

[kickass]

I liked the trailer. And I like the original Alien style of the title appearance. I just wished it wasn't appearing through-out the teaser because it distracts from the imagery. It's too distracting. They should have just let the titles appear at the end.

 

[Metallo]

VERY intrigued. Ridley Scotts going back to his roots with a damn fine cast.

It also seems like he may have avoided one of the pitfalls of prequels. He's returning to the alien universe but looking at it from an expanded scope. It may not focus specifically on THE "Aliens"/Xenomoprh so much.

I like that. In that sense its very much like his Blade Runner sequel where he is exploring more of that world but not centering in the same characters.

Scotts shown just enough to get me interested but otherwise I know very little so my imagination is running wild. Even the title makes you think.

 

[Asgard]

Spoiler

Is Fassbenders character being an android supposed to be known to the crew already or is it supposed to be revealed as a surprise later?

If its the latter then thatll succk for me.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Like other people have said looking at the teaser closely, makes me think that plot description we got a while back may have some truth in it.

Spoiler

Theron's character apparently turns into the "Star Beast" near the end of the film. Looks like she is going a bit animalistic there.

Also said about the crew having nightmares and strange visions. There is a shot of someone sitting up in bed with the head in their hands.

There is another couple of things.

I mean from what I see in this teaser it all seems pretty legit. Even all the nudge-nudge wink-wink "They went looking for our beginning" seems to at least jive with the basic plot presented. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not 100% true down to the last detail, but I saw very few things in that teaser that I didn't catch reading the synopsis. If that synopsis is true (it looks good regardless) this will be one of the most badass, grand, trippy and deep sci-fi movies of all time.

 

[Solidus]

I must of missed this synopsis, but if it is based off of the old Alien Harvest script then it is not true because Jon denied that being his script months ago. But you guys must be talking about something else.

 

[Soapy]

If its the same synopsis that I'm thinking of, then it's definitely fake. It originated on imdb. A guy basically made up a plot based around the leaked trailer last month. If I remember correctly.

 

[cherokeesam]

if the alien standing next to the chair is a mutated crew member then this is in the middle or end of the movie. since the crew member will get infected in the first act.

but in the first act the prometheus crew goes inside a room with a human statue. which means that the connection to humans started before the prometheus crew got there. plus there is a dead alien next to the statue.

now of course we could say that a previous spaceship crew got to that planet bla bla bla. lazy writting. if they are trying to explain the space jockey then the twist can not just be that he is human from the past.

someone created the alien xenomorph. and the story is about humans stealing something.

How do you know that the story is about the humans stealing something? I don't remember that from any script leaks....If you're speaking about the Prometheus metaphor, that could also imply bringing proverbial "fire" to humanity...

But yeah, I don't think this guy is supposed to be a crew from a previous human craft or anything. I genuinely believe now that the space jockeys are a branch of humanity, or more precisely humanity's forefathers, and humanity was created in their image. And I believe that the "space jockey" from Alien is, as Ridley hints, just a spacesuit or exoskeleton that they wear. That scene from the trailer shows the scientists on the Prometheus examining a space jockey "head," and it definitely looks more like a helmet. Hell, maybe the suit is biological, and it somehow melds to the jockey or something.

 

[dark_b]

i dont think they will say that they stole something. they will take something and everything will go wrong. we know what they take

 

[OsGom]

Progenitors anyone? Read The Uplift series from David Brin.

The movie implies to me that the Jockeys were much like us but messed around with with superscience and became something while also engineering their own destruction by creating the xenomorphs.

Also I think Charlize get's infected hence the stripping, crying and general anger.

This might be the film I am most excited about next year.

 

[X Knight]

found this description on the Yahoo Movie site:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810239690/info

don't know if this is official or not.

I'm guessing the 2 "superpowers" who control Earth and are fighting for the solar system's resources are the Weyland and Yutani corporations?

also, it describes the alien race as "bio-mechanoid" killers........hmmm.......

 

[SWAT]

... Sounds like the synposis for a AvP story I have...

 

[Hunter Rider]

So many questions.

Honestly though when I look at the possible space jockey he doesn't really seem malicious or evil at all. Then again appearances could be misleading but I'm not really getting a dangerous vibe from the guy.

The thing is I never got the impression that the Space Jockey's were meant to be evil, and it wouldn't surprise if their actions in Prometheus are an effect of what the humans do, as opposed to malicious.

The Derelict though does seem like it's packed with some firepower. I don't get how Scott says the xenomorphs won't even be in this movie but how would that explain the apparent chestburster injury the space jokey suit had in Alien? Or why the Derelict even crashed to begin with?

Gah, this movie poses so many great questions.

Ridley has been saying this but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's lying, I think the Xenomorph or perhaps it's predecessor is in the final part of the movie as the climax of a chain reaction set off by thing the human exploration causes.