Prometheus - Part 7

[Eggyman]

Bear in mind this is all pure speculation and no doubt 100 per cent wrong but it is a loop hole that could be used to explain things if there isn't a sequel

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As those who have seen the film know Shaw escapes the planet on the engineers space ship, what if that is the ship that crash lands on LV-426. Once Shaw has the c section to remove the proto face hugger she is seen every so often clutching her stomach. Which of course could be due to the fact she is still in pain from the procedure, which is the obvious and no doubt right answer, but what if she didn't remove everything that she was impregnated with?

My theory is that as Shaw and David escape the planet, As David is no place to pilot the ship, what if its that Shaw gets into the chair and into the engineers suit. Them what if, and this is a big if, what ever is still left inside Shaw bursts out killing her and causing the ship to crash land on LV-426 leading to what is found in Alien

Again its all conjecture and speculation and no doubt utterly wrong but I like my theory none the less

That actually makes perfect sense. They do seem to point it out a couple of times. I'd forgot al about that. Yeah, I agree. I'd see that as an actual viable theory rather than a loophole. It's very good.

 

[gohei_]

Bear in mind this is all pure speculation and no doubt 100 per cent wrong but it is a loop hole that could be used to explain things if there isn't a sequel

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As those who have seen the film know Shaw escapes the planet on the engineers space ship, what if that is the ship that crash lands on LV-426. Once Shaw has the c section to remove the proto face hugger she is seen every so often clutching her stomach. Which of course could be due to the fact she is still in pain from the procedure, which is the obvious and no doubt right answer, but what if she didn't remove everything that she was impregnated with?

My theory is that as Shaw and David escape the planet, As David is no place to pilot the ship, what if its that Shaw gets into the chair and into the engineers suit. Them what if, and this is a big if, what ever is still left inside Shaw bursts out killing her and causing the ship to crash land on LV-426 leading to what is found in Alien

Again its all conjecture and speculation and no doubt utterly wrong but I like my theory none the less

That's not really a bad idea, but if that would be the case

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then whatever is left inside of her is different from the squid we saw earlier and need to be able to lay eggs as we see in Alien. Or maybe the squid is able to lay eggs? I'm just thinking out loud here.

 

[Blue Sugar]

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I love the mysterious black goo, it seemed like it was living and adaptable seeds of life, all with different DNA and properties. I think every urn had goo with unique properties and when mixed and/or interacted with other things (life-forms, atmosphere etc) it took on new and unpredictable properties, creating new life-forms and creatures.

I think the overwhelming amount of urns symbolized the endless amounts of possibilities there is when it comes to different life-forms and creatures in the universe.

 

[spidey-dude]

posted this the other day but this was my theory of how its connected

[BLACKOUT]I would guess that the Xeno is the queen and lays all the eggs in another spacecraft. One of which hatches and impregnates (is that the word) the jockey in cryo. When he wakes he attempts to flee the planet but chest bursts and that is the original ship from alien.... the only thing that bothered me in the film which had no explanation was that clearly xenos already existed as there were the piles of bodies with burst chests, but we never found out what happened to them, presumably they would be on the ship somewhere?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[gohei_]

posted this the other day but this was my theory of how its connected

[BLACKOUT]I would guess that the Xeno is the queen and lays all the eggs in another spacecraft. One of which hatches and impregnates (is that the word) the jockey in cryo. When he wakes he attempts to flee the planet but chest bursts and that is the original ship from alien.... the only thing that bothered me in the film which had no explanation was that clearly xenos already existed as there were the piles of bodies with burst chests, but we never found out what happened to them, presumably they would be on the ship somewhere?[/BLACKOUT]

I must have missed this post,

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you do have a point in that there should be traces of whatever killed the Engineers on the ship. But what makes you think that the other ships on the planet have jockeys in cryo as well?

I also find it strange that, if the jockey's created us and then changed their minds for some reason, they go about creating another more dangerous life-form in order to kill us? Seems like a bad idea, as witnessed in the movie.

 

[Eggyman]

I must have missed this post,

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you do have a point in that there should be traces of whatever killed the Engineers on the ship. But what makes you think that the other ships on the planet have jockeys in cryo as well?

I also find it strange that, if the jockey's created us and then changed their minds for some reason, they go about creating another more dangerous life-form in order to kill us? Seems like a bad idea, as witnessed in the movie.

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I'd prefer to think that they don't actually need to kill us, but we are what they need for them to create something else. If not, then why would they design something to kill that also creates? Yeah,I think they're using us as mothers for their babies.

 

[gohei_]

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I'd prefer to think that they don't actually need to kill us, but we are what they need for them to create something else. If not, then why would they design something to kill that also creates? Yeah,I think they're using us as mothers for their babies.

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So basically, creating humans is all just part of a big scheme in their search for the ultimate killing weapon?
By the way, how long had the jockey's on the ship been dead? Can't remember.

 

[The Game]

So I caved and went to see it in 3D as there were no 2D showings. I think the first thing to say is that you should go into this movie not expecting the same kind of heart pumping impact Alien had, it doesn't break any new ground and pretty much follows the structure of Alien and every other Sci Fi discovery movie since.

What it does deliver is a good sci fi tale that has stunning visuals, a lovecraftian atmosphere and adds positively to the already in place mythos. It answers some questions and leaves others.

On the acting front Fassbender does a good job emulating what we know and Rapace is the heart, but Theron is vastly underused, Vickers is fairly bland and has no stand out scene [BLACKOUT]and a lame death[/BLACKOUT]. Idris Elba is solid as the ships captain but the rest of the support are throwaway and the guy playing Holloway is poor, although he wasn't helped by the dialogue he was given at times.

The film is engaging but I never found it thrilling, it was easy to read beat for beat. The world they land on is immersive though and the story has enough in it along with the visuals to keep you involved. However it doesn't reach a climax, it just goes where you expect it to.

The film is quite slow and then suddenly is in a rush to get to the ending, an ending that is partially satisfying but also lacking in a moment to truly give you that feeling of awe, it also has a couple of parts to it that don't quite work, one logically and the other due to lack of character development.

The final shot is a real doozy though but doesn't explain anything regarding Alien.

I'd say this is a good return to sci fi for Ridley, but more a safe and steady addition to his Alien film than the triumphant masterpiece some were hoping for.

8/10

I agree with your thoughts but I have to go with a score of 5-6/10

 

[Eggyman]

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So basically, creating humans is all just part of a big scheme in their search for the ultimate killing weapon?
By the way, how long had the jockey's on the ship been dead? Can't remember.

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Something like that, yeah. Maybe. lol. I'm having trouble remembering. Was it 30k? Possibly?

 

[chamber-music]

My 2 cents

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Good watch but ultimately underwhelmed.

Firstly, I don't think that the character development is necessarily poor, the story just lacks in dramatic weight and you never feel that the stakes are high. I felt more for Kirk's father's sacrifice in Star Trek than I did for Janek's sacrifice in this film and that really is shocking, given that one character only had a few minutes screentime whereas the other had the best part of 2 hours.

I thought that a good few things went unanswered such as

The murial to the xenomorph and the special green lit stone in comparison to the other specimens being kept in standard jars.
Engineer and what his beef was against the humans.
What was it that decimated the space jockeys.
Who were the original earth dwellers that the jockeys obliterated only for them to reseed the planet with human life.
What was Shaw's reasoning that there was a higher form of life than the jockeys.
What made the jars go crazy and overflow with black goo.
Why exactly did the jockeys create the humans only to seemingly hate them?


Probably all things that will be answered in a sequel but TBH, Ridley's getting on in years, and he's giving priority to a BR sequel right now.

I also didn't think it was scary which was very disappointing. I think a lot of this has to do with the amount they gave away in the trailers though, if I went in blind I probably would have found some key scenes more unsettling.

Bizarre soundtrack too with the same perky theme being played throughout.

But as I said, I enjoyed it. Fassbender great. Rapace great ignoring the dodgy accent. Some great black comedy at play at times too. Definitely worth the admission fee, but I've no desire to see it again. I think 3 stars is harsh, 4 stars is generous, so I'll sit on the fence and say 3.5 stars.

Noomi's accent was fine. She was an archaeologist who spent most of her life travelling around it would seem.

I also thought the soundtrack was out of place. It didn't fit the movie at all.

To answer some questions

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I think the Engineer attacked the humans because he saw them as hostile and potentially dangerous (They were shouting and Weylands merc hit shaw) or possibly because the Engineer had been in Cryo-sleep for thousands of years he never got the message about not going to Earth and wiping out the life there so seeing a bunch of humans his first thought once he recovered was to wipe them out as that was his last mission orders.


I'm not sure if the Engineers hated humans. We don't know the reason for why they created humans, why they would want to wipe humans out and why they didn't yet.


The engineers might of wiped out the dinosaurs or neanderthals before creating humans.

Fifield did look like he mutated into a proto-neanderthal.


Shaw clung onto her faith I think it was reasonable to believe that if the engineers created humans then a higher being could of created engineers.


It seemed like biological contact seemed to make the jars black DNA activate.

I think this movie succeeded with doing what movies like Terminator Salvation and Superman Returns tried but failed to do. Being it's own beast and being a good movie on it's own terms while at the same time honoring and alluding to what has come before.

I agree

posted this the other day but this was my theory of how its connected

[BLACKOUT]I would guess that the Xeno is the queen and lays all the eggs in another spacecraft. One of which hatches and impregnates (is that the word) the jockey in cryo. When he wakes he attempts to flee the planet but chest bursts and that is the original ship from alien.... the only thing that bothered me in the film which had no explanation was that clearly xenos already existed as there were the piles of bodies with burst chests, but we never found out what happened to them, presumably they would be on the ship somewhere?[/BLACKOUT]

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The ships had been on that planet for a long time. I think the Xenos that might of existed might of either died out in the planets hostile enviroment (All the storms and unbreathable air on the planet surface outside the ships).

 

[gohei_]

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Something like that, yeah. Maybe. lol. I'm having trouble remembering. Was it 30k? Possibly?

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Yeah I'm not sure.
They said that the cave painting in Ireland was roughly 35k years old right? And I believe they said it was the oldest right?
I'm just trying to get a grasp of how long it took after our creation that they decided to send the xenos to earth.

 

[Mandalore464]

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Yeah I'm not sure.
They said that the cave painting in Ireland was roughly 35k years old right? And I believe they said it was the oldest right?
I'm just trying to get a grasp of how long it took after our creation that they decided to send the xenos to earth.

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If you guys are talking about all the engineers inside the pyramid, Shaw says that the one who was decapitated by the door died approximately 2000 years earlier, which means their attempt at destorying us is fairly recent.

 

[chamber-music]

For the people who think Vickers was under used do you think they should of

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expanded upon her contempt and jealousy towards David.

I got the vibe she really didn't like him because her father showed more warmth towards him a robot than her his own daugther.

Especailly the 'his like a son' to me video scene and the fact Weyland trusted David to carry out his orders and not her as well as Weyland/David not letting Meridith know what he was up to.

I feel like they could of done more with that.

Captain Janeks relationship with Vickers could of been used more towards something as well instead of just a bootycall.

 

[gohei_]

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If you guys are talking about all the engineers inside the pyramid, Shaw says that the one who was decapitated by the door died approximately 2000 years earlier, which means their decision to destroy us is fairly recent.

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Yes that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. So that means that humans got to live at least 30k years until they jockey's decided to kills us.

 

[chamber-music]

Cave paintings were from the island of Skye by Scotland by the way not Ireland unless they changed it in Sweden version t:.

 

[gohei_]

Haha my bad lol t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Someone who's seen it:

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Would you call Weyland, Vickers, and David villainous characters?

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Weyland is like the guy from Big Trouble in Little China that can't accept dieing.

Vickers is bored of waiting for him to die so she can be head of the company.

David is creepy and the classic android that develops emotions and motivations, he seems to poison Holloway out of spite and curiosity.

OH, that sounds beautiful.

I guess if you want a shinier retread.

Ya I don't think there is much backing that, there might be but to me it seems unlikely.

And can't wait for your review Eggy, and Hunter thank you for your review as well.

Looking forward to your view Solidus.

Question for anyone else who has seen it....

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I'm taking it that the alien ship we see in Prometheus is not the ship we see in Alien, due to the location of the jockey at the end. Agreed? What we whitnessed in Prometheus is almost an alternate happening of how the sh** can go down. Agreed?

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The way I saw it was that they got on a seperate ship and went off to the Engineers planet which is where the sequel will take place, I wouldn't be surprised if the Xenomorph that birthed at the end somehow got on the ship with Shaw and David and will lead to a mass infection and destruction of the Engineers planet.

This could lead to one of them trying to save what's lefdt of the planet by loading the hive onto the ship our heroes find crashed in Alien.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Anyone find it strange that

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Vickers operation machine was designed for a man? Maybe Janek made a discovery of his own that nookie night and that's why he was so blase' about his kamikazee choice, I mean once you find out Charlize Theron has a penis what is the point in going on?

 

[gohei_]

Anyone find it strange that

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Vickers operation machine was designed for a man? Maybe Janek made a discovery of his own that nookie night and that's why he was so blase' about his kamikazee choice, I mean once you find out Charlize Theron has a penis what is the point in going on?

Haha lol.

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I just figured it was intended for her dad.

 

[Eggyman]

Haha. Charlize Theron: Space Sausage. A semi-prequel.

 

[molp]

Anyone find it strange that

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Vickers operation machine was designed for a man? Maybe Janek made a discovery of his own that nookie night and that's why he was so blase' about his kamikazee choice, I mean once you find out Charlize Theron has a penis what is the point in going on?

I'm guessing that the machine was there for

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wayland

 

[Hunter Rider]

Haha lol.

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I just figured it was intended for her dad.

I'm guessing that the machine was there for

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wayland

Yeah that seems a likely explanation.

Haha. Charlize Theron: Space Sausage. A semi-prequel.

This would make it up to those who felt the horror was lacking in this movie. t:

 

[Blue Sugar]

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I didn't like the Vickers Weyland twist, it felt incredibly uninspiring in the way you saw it coming and the fact that it added nothing to the characters or story

 

[chamber-music]

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Weyland is like the guy from Big Trouble in Little China that can't accept dieing.

Vickers is bored of waiting for him to die so she can be head of the company.

David is creepy and the classic android that develops emotions and motivations, he seems to poison Holloway out of spite and curiosity.

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I thought Weyland put David up to infecting Holloway. Weyland wanted to make things happen David was carrying out his orders. David was comunicating with him in cryo.

Davids "how far would you be willing to go" was his way of indirectly getting Holloway to agree to sacrifice himself for the mission.

I think David had a conscience and that was his way of getting Holloways consent.

David securing Shaw in cryo with a facehugger in her so they could take it back to Earth were also things Peter Weyland wanted.

 

[chamber-music]

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I didn't like the Vickers Weyland twist, it felt incredibly uninspiring in the way you saw it coming and the fact that it added nothing to the characters or story

I thought it was pretty obvious as well

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She seemed to act like a ice queen because her father awas *****e who showed more affection to his robot than his own daughter but they didn't really do anything with the revelation or relationship.