Prometheus - Part 8

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[DarthSkywalker]

In terms of look, I perfer the Marines armor to the Prometheus space suits. The rest however, goes to Prometheus. I happy middle ground between Apple story and industrial.

 

[BuddhaWasABat]

Recent interview with Scott

"How long was his first cut of Prometheus. Says it was 2 hrs. 27 minutes

Is the version in theaters his directors cut or will the home video release be the director’s cut. Talks about how he regrets not releasing the longer version of Kingdom of Heaven as his directors cut

3:22 – Says the Blu-ray will have around 30 minutes of deleted scenes

3:45 – Talks about the deleted scene between Noomi Rapace and the engineer and why it was cut out of the film

4:30 – Is the extended cut on the Blu-ray a lot longer than the theatrical release. Says that it might be 20 minutes longer (but the way he talks about it I’m not sure if he’s figured it out yet)"

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/

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[TheVileOne]

Overall the response to the movie is pretty mixed. I think that's what has hurt the word of mouth this weekend.

Overall here is my problem. Ridley Scott is talking about sequels in interviews and IMHO that was a bad move. He shouldn't have made this movie with the specific intent of sequels if that's the idea. Like he shouldn't have saved things for sequels you know specifically if there were some really juicy tidbits.

I know the studios always want sequels and franchises but at the same time that is what has hurt the Alien franchise in the first place as a whole.

 

[Infinity9999x]

And while it's pretty snobbish of me, I also kind of look at what type of artistic originality went into all of the films.

With Alien, Ridley really crafted something pretty new, bold, and fearsome.

With Prometheus, Ridley again crafted something that was both a mishmash of a lot of classic sci-fi elements, plus a prequel, and turned it into something truly fresh and complex.

With Aliens, Cameron pretty much followed the playbook of Alien with his own sense of action and adventure thrown in for good measure. Which made for a really great movie, don't get me wrong, but isn't on the same level as something as painfully creative as Alien was.

That pretty much sums up how I feel about it too. Aliens was very good, but it didn't really bring anything new. I do think Aliens is a good movie, but I tend to look at it as a very good action movie, while I view Alien as a great movie period. I also enjoyed the mystery surrounding Alien much more then the more straightforward nature in Aliens. That may be why I enjoyed Prometheus as much as I did.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Overall the response to the movie is pretty mixed. I think that's what has hurt the word of mouth this weekend.

Overall here is my problem. Ridley Scott is talking about sequels in interviews and IMHO that was a bad move. He shouldn't have made this movie with the specific intent of sequels if that's the idea. Like he shouldn't have saved things for sequels you know specifically if there were some really juicy tidbits.

I know the studios always want sequels and franchises but at the same time that is what has hurt the Alien franchise in the first place as a whole.

Good point. That is how Nolan has tackled the Batman films and to good effect.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Nolan does do a good job with that. I think the only time I had an issue with it was the death of Two-Face. Now, I will say, as a film, having Harvey die works wonderfully. It really brings things full circle. But I was just very dissappointed that Nolan killed off a villain that I thought had much more potential then what we saw from him in TDK.

Anywho---bringing things back on topic, a large part of me does wonder why they didn't simply

Spoiler

Have the SJ crawl back to the chair and get chest bursted, to make this more "full circle" as many have speculated earlier.

Though, I would definitely be interested to see more films in this universe.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That pretty much sums up how I feel about it too. Aliens was very good, but it didn't really bring anything new. I do think Aliens is a good movie, but I tend to look at it as a very good action movie, while I view Alien as a great movie period. I also enjoyed the mystery surrounding Alien much more then the more straightforward nature in Aliens. That may be why I enjoyed Prometheus as much as I did.

Nothing new? Cameron brought Heinlein's space mariners to life. And while Alien is the better film, we are talking Aliens and Prometheus.

 

[RockSP]

The geologist dude stole Mr. Terrific's T-spheres.

Whatever accent Elba was going for didn't quite work. Maybe he was paying Cheadle back for Ocean's 11.

 

[Liam_H]

Spoiler

Have the SJ crawl back to the chair and get chest bursted, to make this more "full circle" as many have speculated earlier.

Though, I would definitely be interested to see more films in this universe.

[BLACKOUT]
But its not the same planet. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nolan does do a good job with that. I think the only time I had an issue with it was the death of Two-Face. Now, I will say, as a film, having Harvey die works wonderfully. It really brings things full circle. But I was just very dissappointed that Nolan killed off a villain that I thought had much more potential then what we saw from him in TDK.

Anywho---bringing things back on topic, a large part of me does wonder why they didn't simply

Spoiler

Have the SJ crawl back to the chair and get chest bursted, to make this more "full circle" as many have speculated earlier.

Though, I would definitely be interested to see more films in this universe.

Because they are saving that for #3.

And Harvey Dent's story was completely told. The ending was organic and fit the film perfectly.

 

[antonydelfini]

I watched Alien and Aliens before watching this, and I have to say that the first act of the movie was my favorite, I thought it was being different enough from Alien, and being even more ambitious. But when the horror starts, the philosophical and existential issues raised in the early part of the film (which made it different and stand out from the other films in the franchise) fades in the background and we are treated to horror we have seen plenty of times before. During the first act, I though I would be giving it a 9.5/10, but now it'll have to settle for a solid 8/10.

Alien 9.5/10
Aliens 9/10
Prometheus 8/10

 

[jmc]

Finally saw this last night, must say it was decent but a little underwhelming. I didn't feel like there was much of a plot to this movie, the story just ground to a halt half way through and continued on at that level for the rest of the film, at times it was a bit predictable and it's themes about where we came from weren't touched upon nearly as much as they should have been.

Cast was good but the characters weren't all that interesting nor did I care about them getting killed, and I felt like certain character arcs were left hanging to some extent. Visually impressive, but a bit of a disappointment, I had very high expectations for this movie and sadly it didn't deliver, it just ranks as an ok movie as opposed to being a great movie which quite frankly it should have been.

6.5/10

 

[CConn]

Overall the response to the movie is pretty mixed. I think that's what has hurt the word of mouth this weekend.

No, it hasn't. Look at the poll, most people have been giving it either a 7/10 or 8/10.

Overall, the consensus is it just isn't as good as Alien...which is really hard to ask of a movie anyway.

Overall here is my problem. Ridley Scott is talking about sequels in interviews and IMHO that was a bad move. He shouldn't have made this movie with the specific intent of sequels if that's the idea. Like he shouldn't have saved things for sequels you know specifically if there were some really juicy tidbits.

I know the studios always want sequels and franchises but at the same time that is what has hurt the Alien franchise in the first place as a whole.

If he had revealed everything that could be revealed in this movie, it would've diminished the thematic undertones of the movie, IMO.

The whole movie was about the scientific endeavor to unravel the mystery of our creation. A mystery that has been an obsession for a great many real life scientists for over 5000 years. If Scott blew his whole load (so to speak) in the first movie, it not only would've cheapened the reveal of these secrets, but it would have also failed to properly mirror the real world frustrations of scientists and philosophers in general.

Simply put; the fact that there often is never an thorough answer to everything is a major part of the film itself.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Spoiler

To all the people who want the SJ in the chair at the end, this movie isn't a direct prequel to Alien, it is set in the same universe, but is not a direct lead in to Alien, there's still a lot more story to be told in the sequels. If you put the Jockey in the chair there is no point to a sequel.

And Harvey Dent's story was completely told. The ending was organic and fit the film perfectly.

Harvey Dent's story was completely told, but Two-Face's wasn't. Right at the end of his origin he dies. One of the few times where Nolan's batfilms dropped the ball completely.

 

[CConn]

Spoiler

To all the people who want the SJ in the chair at the end, this movie isn't a direct prequel to Alien, it is set in the same universe, but is not a direct lead in to Alien, there's still a lot more story to be told in the sequels. If you put the Jockey in the chair there is no point to a sequel.

Yes, there would be.

The way the ending plays out, Shaw's story goes in a completely different direction than anything that has to do with Alien.

So they could've had it as both a direct prequel to Alien plus the first film in a trilogy exploring another part of the universe.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spoiler

To all the people who want the SJ in the chair at the end, this movie isn't a direct prequel to Alien, it is set in the same universe, but is not a direct lead in to Alien, there's still a lot more story to be told in the sequels. If you put the Jockey in the chair there is no point to a sequel.

Harvey Dent's story was completely told, but Two-Face's wasn't. Right at the end of his origin he dies. One of the few times where Nolan's batfilms dropped the ball completely.

The only reason it isn't a "direct" prequel is because they want to make sequels.

And Harvey Dent is Two-Face. There story is one in the same. A character who lives on rage can't last long.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, it hasn't. Look at the poll, most people have been giving it either a 7/10 or 8/10.

Overall, the consensus is it just isn't as good as Alien...which is really hard to ask of a movie anyway.
If he had revealed everything that could be revealed in this movie, it would've diminished the thematic undertones of the movie, IMO.

The whole movie was about the scientific endeavor to unravel the mystery of our creation. A mystery that has been an obsession for a great many real life scientists for over 5000 years. If Scott blew his whole load (so to speak) in the first movie, it not only would've cheapened the reveal of these secrets, but it would have also failed to properly mirror the real world frustrations of scientists and philosophers in general.

Simply put; the fact that there often is never an thorough answer to everything is a major part of the film itself.

Which is why they have [BLACKOUT]Janek make that uncanny analysis of what the SJ are using the moon for[/BLACKOUT].

 

[jmc]

No, it hasn't. Look at the poll, most people have been giving it either a 7/10 or 8/10.

Overall, the consensus is it just isn't as good as Alien...which is really hard to ask of a movie anyway.
If he had revealed everything that could be revealed in this movie, it would've diminished the thematic undertones of the movie, IMO.

The whole movie was about the scientific endeavor to unravel the mystery of our creation. A mystery that has been an obsession for a great many real life scientists for over 5000 years. If Scott blew his whole load (so to speak) in the first movie, it not only would've cheapened the reveal of these secrets, but it would have also failed to properly mirror the real world frustrations of scientists and philosophers in general.

Simply put; the fact that there often is never an thorough answer to everything is a major part of the film itself.

And that's ultimately why it's not a satisfactory movie.

 

[CConn]

And that's ultimately why it's not a satisfactory movie.

For a layman of fiction, maybe.

 

[CConn]

Which is why they have [BLACKOUT]Janek make that uncanny analysis of what the SJ are using the moon for[/BLACKOUT].

I think you never replied to my post where you asked someone to post one subtextual aspect of Prometheus and I replied with 12 of them, and had multiple people both publicly and privately compliment me for the post.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Yes, there would be.

The way the ending plays out, Shaw's story goes in a completely different direction than anything that has to do with Alien.

So they could've had it as both a direct prequel to Alien plus the first film in a trilogy exploring another part of the universe.

This could've worked, but I think I'd prefer an entire trilogy leading up to Alien, instead of just this one leading up to Alien and the other two doing its own thing.

The only reason it isn't a "direct" prequel is because they want to make sequels.

And Harvey Dent is Two-Face. There story is one in the same. A character who lives on rage can't last long.

In my opinion, they shouldn't have killed Two-Face, his final shot in the film should've been him in his hospital bed. The tacked on Two-Face scenes just bring the movie down so much on repeat viewings. Should've ended with Joker being captured and leaving Two-Face to be the big bad in the sequel, instead of a 15 minute scene where he just gets made to look like a *****. Killing villains is one of the worst things a superhero franchise can do imo.

 

[Fives]

I saw this yesterday with my brother, and we both loved it. Noomi, Fassbender, Theron, Elba, and Pearce were all great in it. The character of Fifield was also prettty cool. I thought the plot was fine. I can't wait to see a sequel, and where Ridley Scott takes the story from here.

The Engineer's/Space Jockey were really interesting, and I hope if we get a sequel we get to learn more about them. I'm want to learn more about he one in the beginning, why he did what he did. Also why was that ship so different then the ones from later in the movie I wonder, and hope we get to learn more about.

Also was the statue of the giant head suppose to be us or the Engineer's, and what does everyone think that green stone that Holloway shined his flashlight on is suppose to be? I really liked this movie though, and can't wait to see it again, and get the dvd.

 

[CConn]

This could've worked, but I think I'd prefer an entire trilogy leading up to Alien, instead of just this one leading up to Alien and the other two doing its own thing.

That would've limited the scope and meaning to the whole thing, though.

I mean, Alien's premise is pretty small-scale and straightfoward. Killer aliens.

With Prometheus, they took it into a much larger and much more philosophical pursuit about a great many sci-fi based questions and topics.

If it was just about Alien, I think it really would have suffered from, as VileOne said, it being nothing more than filler material for a trilogy's plotline.