Prometheus - Part 9

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Ignoring what? :funny: If I'm ignoring a certain aspect of the film, then so are you. Your theory still doesn't explain anything (not even remotely close) involving the purpose of the origins of humanity and the relationship between The Engineers and Humans. If the conversation between David and Charlie been accurate, then the Space Jockeys would have never 'raised' us and left us clues.

Yes, you're completely ignoring the purpose of Charlie's conversation with David before being poisoned. They're not just mindlessly pontificating in that scene or tossing around unimportant ideas. It took a replicant who lacked preconceived emotional or spiritual barriers to relay the message of humanity's creation. David in essence is the "mouth piece" to the movie.

Nowhere in the movie does it state or allude to the idea the Engineers "raised" us and the clues were left behind by previous civilizations, not the Engineers themselves.
 
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Yes, you're completely ignoring the purpose of Charlie's conversation with David before being poisoned. They're not just mindlessly pontificating in that scene or tossing around unimportant ideas. It took a replicant who lacked preconceived emotional or spiritual barriers to relay the message of humanity's creation. David in essence is the "mouth piece" to the movie.

Well, I wholeheartedly disagree, and you'll have to deal with that. David's conversation with Charlie was merely a theoretical assessment. You view it as thee grand answer to the franchise but evidence lies with Ridley Scott himself in the most recent interviews. If the David-Charlie conversation was 'obvious' then Scott's subtle hints during the press rounds must have been like a sledgehammer to the knee.

Ridley confirmed his influence followed closely to the ancient astronaut theories and the Sumerian legends involving The Annunaki. Furthermore, Scott made an interesting comment regarding Jesus of Nazareth as possibly being a representative for The Engineers, not God.

Nowhere in the movie does it state or allude to the idea the Engineers "raised" us and the clues were left behind by previous civilizations, not the Engineers themselves.

Then explain to me how the various ancient civilizations (separated by thousands of years with no contact) came to know about the Engineers, and how they managed to uncover the planetary system (which was confirmed to be out of range for the human eye without the aid of a telescope) where LV-223 was located in?

Yes, I'm ignoring the obvious. :o
 
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Do you guys think Prometheus is a creationist friendly film?
 
I thought this was interesting:

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On the other hand, that exchange bothered me because I wanted to see the Engineer converse back. Obviously we know what he was tasked with, but I still would've expected such an advanced being to do more than rage out on the crew.
there was a conversation but it was deleted. we need the bluray
 
Same.

Visually stunning to look at in IMAX 3D ...... but I was somewhat underwhelmed, perhaps because of my expectations. Some of the character tension felt forced/underdeveloped to me and I pretty much could predict many of the plot points (i.e. Noomi Rapace being impregnated, Weyland being on the ship, etc, etc). Michael Fassbender's "David" was by far and away the best peformance in the film. I was not a fan of Theron in this movie though.

pretty much felt the same

I also didn't really feel all that upset when ANY of the characters died. The only one that bothered me was Logan Marshall-Green's character and that was only because he's so damned attractive. :csad:
 
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I think the movie just enforced my opinion that characters>>>>>>>story when it comes to films. I mean this had a good story, unnanswered questions/plot holes be damned I liked the story, but none of the characters were than compelling to me.

ANd I think I felt bad for his death because of how it was done. [BLACKOUT]Him walking toward Theron saying "Just do it" was pretty sad[/BLACKOUT]
 
I didn't feel bad about any characters being killed and I actually liked a few of them.

I'm very intrested in seeing a extended cut or directors cut as well.
 
If this film delivered in the screenplay department, people wouldn't shutting up about the visuals.
 
Is very hard to make you "feel" for a character that gets killed halfway through the film. The movie didn't have the "build up" experience of Alien, where we got to spend more time with the characters.
 
Most of the characters didn't have long standing relatioships with one another in Prometheus like the Nostromo crew, the Marines, the Prisoner or the Betty gang did.

The crew felt more like mini groups of teams to me (Shaw and Holloway) (Captain Janek, Co-Pilots Chance and Ravel) (Vickers, Weyland and David) (Weyland his mercs and Ford) (Fifeld and Milburn) everyone else was cannon fodder.
 
Most of the characters didn't have long standing relatioships with one another in Prometheus like the Nostromo crew, the Marines, the Prisoner or the Betty gang did.

The crew felt more like mini groups of teams to me (Shaw and Holloway) (Captain Janek, Co-Pilots Chance and Ravel) (Vickers, Weyland and David) (Weyland his mercs and Ford) (Fifeld and Milburn) everyone else was cannon fodder.

That's sort of the point. The crew of the Prometheus were made up of mostly freelancers and mercs following Shaw, Holloway and Vickers.
 
I think the movie just enforced my opinion that characters>>>>>>>story when it comes to films. I mean this had a good story, unnanswered questions/plot holes be damned I liked the story, but none of the characters were than compelling to me.

ANd I think I felt bad for his death because of how it was done. [BLACKOUT]Him walking toward Theron saying "Just do it" was pretty sad[/BLACKOUT]

I felt this movie had two good characters. David and Shaw. David is a fascinating character because he's a robot/android. Except he doesn't seem interested in "becoming human" or having the human experience like they usually do in sci-fi. Like HAL-9000, he's intrigued by it and observes it, but you don't get the sense he wants it for himself. And instead of learning emotions, we're kept on our toes as unsure whether he has them or not (did Weyland tell him to test the goo on Holloway or did he do it out of a sense of revenge for being picked on? Did he expect the engineer to go ape ****, but wanted it to "kill his parent"?). Any robot that models itself after Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia is a pretty amazing character to me.

Shaw is intriguing because she's a strong Ridley Scott female protagonist. While not as iconic as Ripley (yet), she is interesting because she doesn't start off strong. She's a naive believer and a walking contradiction. She has lost her parents, Christian missionaries, to horrible things like ebola and has become a scientist trying to learn how we were created and seemingly trying to disprove God. But she is still a very devout Christian reconciling everything she sees with her faith. And her curiosity drives her into some extreme situations that when push comes to shove she discovers she is a survivor and, as David says, has remarkable survivor instinct after she cuts the aline out of her stomach. Never mind the pro-choice parallels, it's just an amazing scene of strength.

The other characters are interesting but underdeveloped. Janek is the only one who feels like a throwback to the crew of the Nostromo. You could see Janek being in that movie. And his casual, blue collar, "I don't give a ****" attitude contrasts Shaw/Holloway/Weyland/David nicely. He's funny and pragmatic, but he doesn't have enough screentime. Vickers works better on second viewing because once you know her relationship with Weyland, you understand her motivations much better and she's much more interesting. I wouldn't say likable though. Holloway's OK, but he's killed off far too early before we can really see the horror of what's happening to him and his depression over finding a dead engineer seems too sudden.

So, I'd say there are two strong characters and three more who are decent and could've been strong if the film developed them more. Then there are literally a dozen side characters just there to die. That is disappointing, but then again Aliens had plenty of "red shirt" characters and Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection/i] had nothing but meat characters supporting Ripley. Still, Prometheus could've been stronger if they got rid of most of the meat and developed at least Holloway and Janek a little more.

Just my opinion.
 
I liked holloway. I thought his scene with david was riveting when he gets infected. I liked all the characters and the only one I actually felt bad for was holloway when he got it.
 
I wondered if David's love of Lawrence Of Arabia was down to his programming or something he enjoyed and was intrested in of his own free will given that Weyland was also a T.E Lawrence fan.

I liked characters like Janek and Fifield's cynical I don't give a damn and ain't getting paid enough to risk my life attitude as well it was a nice contrast to the likes of the believers like Shaw, Holloway and Weyland who were willing to risk everything to find answers.

As for why the crew wasn't briefed on Earth imagine they Weyland didn't want his rivals to know what Shaw and Holloway found and beat him to LV-223 to find anything there before him.

The mission was somewhat confidential I think especially as some of the crew didn't even know Weyland was onboard the ship.
 
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I thought this was interesting:

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Man...I cannot wait for the blu-ray. It's gonna blow my mind if it's directors cut.
 
I saw an odd argument against this film earlier.

Now, I did enjoy this film and I was curious while I was on YouTube at some other folks opinions. You know as YouTube does, it throws up videos at the side of the video you are viewing, and there were three or four "review" videos.

After getting bored after two because the people were just rambling on, I clicked one done by this girl.

I couldn't take it seriously. Because she started off by complaining that because the film is a 15, it couldn't be as gory as it could have been, and Prometheus wasn't as gory as Alien or Aliens.

But correct me if I am wrong, my Father and I just watched both films recently and we've said many times in the past apart from everyones favourite chestburster scene in Alien, neither Alien or Aliens are that gory. We know characters die, we hear characters die but we don't see these characters die.

Even with the increased action in Aliens, we don't see bloody splatter on walls or bodies being torn in half.

If anything, this film shows more of the character deaths.

Anyway, thought I'd share this strange experience tonight. I think I'm best going back to not being curious of what other people thought of the film, and just enjoying it on my own terms.
 
...despite my best efforts to "reopen" the thread poll, it remains closed for some reason. Since I can't officially vote, I give it a 7/10.
 
If we're talking about Holloway, I hated his character

Did anyone like Holloway? I don't get what Shaw saw in him. There's almost no scenes where he's not a *****e in some way.
 
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