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Just got back from seeing this a few hours ago. My thoughts:

I can definitely see why this movie is causing so many fights and debates. It is a visually stunning film full of big ideas, big characters and a fantastic premise. However, it is not without its (many) flaws.

First, I really love to see Scott back in sci-fi. The Giger-monster or "xenomorph" has been run into the ground by executives at Fox pretty much since Alien. Aliens is a great movie too (and better than Prometheus), but each subsequent film in the franchise took away some of the horror and mystery around this truly alien creature. By returning to the Space Jockeys' ill-fated and sexually menacing ship, Scott returns to the primordial horror of the unknown, the danger of forbidden knowledge and, of course, the body horror. And when Prometheus is at its best, it is when Scott is exploring these repulsively engrossing aspects and themes of the story. The best scene in the movie, the one where everyone in my crowded matinee audience was deathly silent when they weren't making squeamish noises, is of course when Elizabeth [blackout]performs an abortion on herself to get that alien sucker out.[/blackout] Holy **** that was awesome.

What connects these moments is a dense mythological question of why are we here and if these aliens, the space jockeys, are our creators. The premise in itself is fascinating and really well explored. Some dislike the third act escalation of the ship being a facility to develop biological WMDs and that it was headed for Earth (no spoiler tags, it's in the freaking trailer). I thought it was brilliant myself. We're nothing to them but a failed experiment and they have decided to wipe us out and possibly start over. It doesn't matter why, that is the sort of unnerving question (like the Space Jockey himself in Alien) that is better left vague and unknown.

However, much else in the script crumbles under the weight of its lofty ambitions. Not explaining why the Jockeys do what they do is one thing, not explaining why there were maps to this planet/moon and why they wanted humans to see it in the first place is just lazy writing. I'm really not surprised in retrospect that Lindelof, the head writer on Lost wrote this. The other thing is the middle of the movie. It begins strong and ends strong, IMO. But the entire middle of the film is quite muddled. There were too many things going on and balls in the air.

We have to balance between what happens to Charlie after [blackout]David implants him with that alien virus-y, gooey stuff[/blackout], what Shaw does, what happens to the two scientists stuck on the ship over night, the geologist's return, the reveal of not only Guy Pearce's role in the story, but also its relationship to the Vickers character (Charlize Theron). And instead of building dread, like the first act, that makes the need of stopping this ship reaching Earth, it just feels confusing. I personally would have cut out the geologist's return and combined that with Charlie's story. His transformation subplot ended too abruptly and needed more payoff with David, Elizabeth, and general horror. It was rushed and didn't build. The horror should have been there and what Elizabeth does. Take out all the needless twists that go nowhere (like Pearce and Theron's relationship) and keep it simple.

Fortunately, the movie is held together by Scott's amazing visuals as well as a great cast. I must especially point out how great Fassbender is as David (Hal 9000 in the flesh, so to speak) and Noomi Rapace is as Elizabeth Shaw. Even if her accent isn't perfect, she just brings it as an actress and like her amazing Lisbeth Salander, she electrifies the screen.

It's a good, but very flawed movie. But I would be lying if I didn't say that disappoints me as I was really hoping for a masterpiece from Scott in sci-fi, especially given how awesome those trailers were. Still, it's causing amazing amounts of debates and controversial discussion after it's over. It leaves a searing impression that even people who hate it feel the need to mull over with other people. The fact that it was so ambitious, well crafted and visionary, it can still draw such a reaction even if it is a problematic movie. That is a testament to it in an era of fast-food, cookie cutter formulaic moviemaking that is immediately forgettable.

7.5/10

My opinion.
 
Man, I've been so stoked for this movie and I thought it was massively disappointing. The script was a mess for the most part and as a prequel to Alien it manages to screw up more continuity issues than it answers. Add a bunch of forgettable characters with little to no development or characterization
and you have a pretty pointless
movie IMO.

I felt the same way
 
Good review DACrowe. The only thing I really disagree with is that I felt Prometheus was a better film then Aliens. As I said earlier, I watched all the Alien films about three years ago, and while Alien blew me away, Aliens left me feeling largely underwhelmed compared to the original movie. I also don't think it's aged all that well, wheras aside from a few SFX moments in Alien, I feel Alien has aged incredibly well.
 
I feel like all alien film aged considerably well, including Aliens, but the story of Alien Ressurrection certainly didn't, while i think Aliens was the best of the franchise i sincerelly didn't remember the marine characters names right away, i only remember Hicks and it's because he survived, which i didn't notice until the very end, in fact i remember the Prometheus characters better than the ones from Alien and ALiens, possibly because it's more recent in my memory. But the characters weren't that forgetable, they were just smart in one scene and dumb in another,
Fifield seemed interesting until he got lost and died, in fact the only character i actually disliked was Charlie, and Midburn to a smaller extend because of how stupid he was when he found the snake alien, he at first seemed a little funny, trying to look cool in front of Fifield.
 
I liked it! 8.5/10! I got caught up in the hype and watched the trailers a million times but once i saw all the mixed opinions i lowered my expectations a little and pretty much they were exceeded.

Visually it is amazing and probably the best 3d i've seen. not in a "pops out at you" way but just the depth and clarity. Great music, great acting..even from the underwritten characters. It had its gore and creepy moments. I got what I came for so I was satisfied.

But the complaints and mixed reviews are all pretty accurate, it's just how you choose to absorb this movie as a stand alone film knowing that your not going to get a very detailed Alien prequel. My personal complaints have to do with the film not building up the suspense as much as they could have...

Noomi Repace is quarantined one minute, fights off some crew members and then operates on herself...all cut up and bloody no one really cares when she returns and what she did or what popped out of her. Plus the whole ship taking off thing...and Repace just tells the captain to ram the ship or its the end of Earth and they just went with it? I almost didn't care that they died. This is where the underwritten stuff comes in...and maybe a crew of 17 was just a bit too much because a couple more people ate it and no one seemed to notice the sense of urgency at hand.

a few things were missing that I saw in the trailer too, so I'm hoping we'll get an extended cut.
 
Just saw the movie.

Looks like the writers couldn't decide if they wanted it to be stand-alone or part of the Aliens franchise and they tried to have it both ways. Which just confused the hell out of the movie. Should have totally committed to one route or the other.

Only cool characters was David and the black pilot who just didn't give a fudge! I liked him too for some reason. Because he was the only grounded character in the whole film. "I really don't care" is exactly how I'd react when Elizabeth asked that dumb question about "well, don't you want to meet your maker?" Beeyotch, [BLACKOUT]you just saw your lover turned into a zombie that came back to annihilate half your crew. No, if that's the maker, I'm fine not meeting him.[/BLACKOUT]

Engineers were cool. [BLACKOUT]The giant face-hugger was kinda dumb.[/BLACKOUT]

Like I said all the other characters, even Elizabeth, sucked. [BLACKOUT]Did not care when they expired. [/BLACKOUT]

CGI was impressive, but I could only see that damn, dark labyrinth so many times before it started to bore the hell out of me.

There were some cool moments overwhelmed by boring dips that seemed to last forever. When I checked my watch after the film I couldn't believe it was only 2 hours. It felt like 3. I'd give the movie a generous 6 out of 10. It wasn't a disappointment on the scale of The Phantom Menace or the Matrix sequels, but it definitely failed to meet expectations pretty much across the board.
 
Good review DACrowe. The only thing I really disagree with is that I felt Prometheus was a better film then Aliens. As I said earlier, I watched all the Alien films about three years ago, and while Alien blew me away, Aliens left me feeling largely underwhelmed compared to the original movie. I also don't think it's aged all that well, wheras aside from a few SFX moments in Alien, I feel Alien has aged incredibly well.

I agree that Aliens hasn't aged well. I prefer the tone and characters of Prometheus, but Cameron's movie is flawlessly executed and told. While I like Prometheus, is a muddled movie in the second act that holds it back from greatness.
 
Good review DACrowe. The only thing I really disagree with is that I felt Prometheus was a better film then Aliens. As I said earlier, I watched all the Alien films about three years ago, and while Alien blew me away, Aliens left me feeling largely underwhelmed compared to the original movie. I also don't think it's aged all that well, wheras aside from a few SFX moments in Alien, I feel Alien has aged incredibly well.

Aliens has been on television like crazy the last month or so, so I have been watching it a lot. It hold up quite well. Not T2 or ESB well, but much better then most films made in the 80s and earlier 90s. I love the look of the weaponry.

It is also a much better film the Prometheus. Newt has more character and soul then everyone on the Prometheus that isn't an Android. And while [BLACKOUT]Shaw's surgery on herself[/BLACKOUT] is really intense, Aliens had at least half a dozen such scenes.
 
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I disagree with Aliens not aging well, I think it has aged just as well as Alien has. I think both are masterpieces, and I will say though I liked it a lot I would not put Prometheus up there with either of those two in terms of high quality.
 
I feel like all alien film aged considerably well, including Aliens, but the story of Alien Ressurrection certainly didn't, while i think Aliens was the best of the franchise i sincerelly didn't remember the marine characters names right away, i only remember Hicks and it's because he survived, which i didn't notice until the very end, in fact i remember the Prometheus characters better than the ones from Alien and ALiens, possibly because it's more recent in my memory. But the characters weren't that forgetable, they were just smart in one scene and dumb in another,
Fifield seemed interesting until he got lost and died, in fact the only character i actually disliked was Charlie, and Midburn to a smaller extend because of how stupid he was when he found the snake alien, he at first seemed a little funny, trying to look cool in front of Fifield.

Who is Hicks? I do remember Kyle Reese being in the film. :awesome:
 
I disagree with Aliens not aging well, I think it has aged just as well as Alien has. I think both are masterpieces, and I will say though I liked it a lot I would not put Prometheus up there with either of those two in terms of high quality.

It just didn't do it for me. Don't get me wrong, I think Aliens is the 3rd best film in the franchise. And I still think it's a good movie, I just feel it's really aged. The dialogue from the soliders in general was very 80's action movie-ish, and the cinematography really underwhelmed me after seeing Alien. I enjoyed Aliens for a fun sci fi action/suspense thriller, but I didn't really get what the hype was all about for it. Alien on the other hand completely wowed me when I first saw it, and I really loved that film.

Again, I don't think Aliens is bad. It's a good movie, but I don't think it's on the same level as Alien. To be clear though, I don't think Prometheus is on the same level as Alien either.
 
I disagree with Aliens not aging well, I think it has aged just as well as Alien has. I think both are masterpieces, and I will say though I liked it a lot I would not put Prometheus up there with either of those two in terms of high quality.
I would put Prometheus above Aliens, myself. As good as Aliens is when it comes to Ripley's character arc, it doesn't have nearly as many complex concepts and character-based questions as Prometheus does, nor is the cinematography or art design as good, IMO. It was much more just a straight up - albeit very good - action movie.
 
I would put Prometheus above Aliens, myself. As good as Aliens is when it comes to Ripley's character arc, it doesn't have nearly as many complex concepts and character-based questions as Prometheus does, nor is the cinematography or art design as good, IMO. It was much more just a straight up - albeit very good - action movie.

That's basically how I felt about it. I also think (since I watched all the films back to back that I judged Aliens a bit harsher then some. I heard how much everyone raved about Alien and Aliens so I was expecting them to be similar. But they really aren't at all. I consider Aliens an scifi action/thriller. While Alien is definitely scifi horror.
 
It just didn't do it for me. Don't get me wrong, I think Aliens is the 3rd best film in the franchise. And I still think it's a good movie, I just feel it's really aged. The dialogue from the soliders in general was very 80's action movie-ish, and the cinematography really underwhelmed me after seeing Alien. I enjoyed Aliens for a fun sci fi action/suspense thriller, but I didn't really get what the hype was all about for it. Alien on the other hand completely wowed me when I first saw it, and I really loved that film.

Again, I don't think Aliens is bad. It's a good movie, but I don't think it's on the same level as Alien. To be clear though, I don't think Prometheus is on the same level as Alien either.

How can you bag on Aliens dialogue, with some of the crap in Prometheus? :woot:

Holloway and the two idiots alone are bad enough, before you start considering Janek and Vickers.
 
I would put Prometheus above Aliens, myself. As good as Aliens is when it comes to Ripley's character arc, it doesn't have nearly as many complex concepts and character-based questions as Prometheus does, nor is the cinematography or art design as good, IMO. It was much more just a straight up - albeit very good - action movie.

But the writing in Prometheus is terrible. And I would argue the cinematography and art design in Aliens is just as good if not better.

The ending with the Queen vs the Exosuit Cargo-loader.

Bishop ripped in half.

Come on. That ***** is awesome.
 
I saw Prometheus Friday, and I gave it an 8 out of 10. I was hoping for a 9 - 9.5/10, I didn't get that. I enjoyed it, for the most part. I find Prometheus is deep, and there is a puzzle to be solved. The problem is the script doesn't take itself as seriously as it should. The script has some silly and unnecessary moments, such as

Fifeild becoming a Zombie for like 5 seconds...

Moments like that make it easy for people to look past the depth of Prometheus, and I must say it's not really their fault. The script fools around in too many places, and it was disappointing. That being said, I found plenty of redeeming moments and I enjoyed the film over all and what surprises me is how many questions it leaves you with and how much discussion I had with my friends afterward. There is plenty of discussion to be had with this, and I think it has a good chance at becoming a cult classic. My favorite parts of the Prometheus are the opening scene, and

Shaw operating on herself. That was a true badass moment.

The film has many great moments like this that make up for the silly parts, but in the end those stupid moments shouldn't have been there so I cannot give Prometheus the rating I wanted too.

The characters are pretty 1 dimensional. The only character development I found was with Shaw and, to be honest, Idris Elbas character. The rest are just there to serve 1 purpose, and I think that purpose is pretty obvious. Some of the characters are fun, but not enough that you care when they die. A few of them you will even be happy when they die. I did find a few of the death entertaining, and that was cool. Also, Fassbender's performance is as good as you have heard.

The film is not at all a horror movie, this can catch many off guard. It has a few horror moments, like the one I mentioned before, but in the end Prometheus is an adventure film. I think if Scott and Fox marketed Prometheus as the adventure/ fantasy film it is, they might have had better luck with the overall reviews. It wouldn't have hurt.

Anyways, in the end I enjoyed the movie, and it's given me a new puzzle to solve. The film has depth, I'm not sure how much depth, but I do not believe it to be shallow. I guess all I can say is I am only frustrated that because of some silly choices made by Lindelof and Scott, Prometheus will have to sink in with people over time, rather than be the instant classic that it EASILY could have been had the script taken itself more seriously.

8/ 10
 
I would put Prometheus above Aliens, myself. As good as Aliens is when it comes to Ripley's character arc, it doesn't have nearly as many complex concepts and character-based questions as Prometheus does, nor is the cinematography or art design as good, IMO. It was much more just a straight up - albeit very good - action movie.

What are these complex concepts and character based questions that aren't super generic in Prometheus?

Asking who made us and science v. religion isn't complex, it is about how you ask those questions. And Prometheus is as heavy handed as a Ric Flair chop.

2001 asked a lot of these same questions 40+ years ago in a far more elegant, engaging, clever and intense manner.
 
But the writing in Prometheus is terrible.
Um, no, it's not. It's not a plot-driven film. There's a definite difference.
And I would argue the cinematography and art design in Aliens is just as good if not better.

The ending with the Queen vs the Exosuit Cargo-loader.

Bishop ripped in half.

Come on. That ***** is awesome.
Um, so bad-ass action scenes are what make movies good? By that logic, Michael Bay would be a good director.

No, Bishop getting ripped in half and Ripley fighting isn't what makes Aliens good. At all. What makes Aliens good how it progresses Ripley as a character, and plays up the whole mother/daughter subtext.

Plus the art design was really good. Not Prometheus-level, IMO, but they really imbibed the film with a very eery sci-fi/industrial look. Which was great.
 
How can you bag on Aliens dialogue, with some of the crap in Prometheus? :woot:

Holloway and the two idiots alone are bad enough, before you start considering Janek and Vickers.

Eh, they didn't bug me as much. Though, it may be because we saw a lot more of the soliders then Janek and Vickers. They were present much more often.

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But the writing in Prometheus is terrible. And I would argue the cinematography and art design in Aliens is just as good if not better.

The ending with the Queen vs the Exosuit Cargo-loader.

Bishop ripped in half.

Come on. That ***** is awesome.

There were definitely some cool moments, but no way would I ever say the cinematography and art design in Aliens is anywhere close to Alien and definitely not Prometheus. It was very bland compared to the beautiful shots in Alien. Not even close in my opinion.
 
That's basically how I felt about it. I also think (since I watched all the films back to back that I judged Aliens a bit harsher then some. I heard how much everyone raved about Alien and Aliens so I was expecting them to be similar. But they really aren't at all. I consider Aliens an scifi action/thriller. While Alien is definitely scifi horror.
And while it's pretty snobbish of me, I also kind of look at what type of artistic originality went into all of the films.

With Alien, Ridley really crafted something pretty new, bold, and fearsome.

With Prometheus, Ridley again crafted something that was both a mishmash of a lot of classic sci-fi elements, plus a prequel, and turned it into something truly fresh and complex.

With Aliens, Cameron pretty much followed the playbook of Alien with his own sense of action and adventure thrown in for good measure. Which made for a really great movie, don't get me wrong, but isn't on the same level as something as painfully creative as Alien was.
 
But the writing in Prometheus is terrible. And I would argue the cinematography and art design in Aliens is just as good if not better.

The ending with the Queen vs the Exosuit Cargo-loader.

Bishop ripped in half.

Come on. That ***** is awesome.

That is what is killing me. All this big talk about depth and complexity, completely avoid the manner in which these themes were delivered.

Just take the Holloway/David moments in the film. They have an interesting idea going on, but Holloway's dialogue and delivery just kill it stone dead.
 
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