Quesada killed Marvel.

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  1. Spider-Bat BATMAN

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    Everybody says Quesada has made the dumbest decisions with marvel, and I agree.

    With so many people bashing him isn't there anything that can be done?
    fire the jerk.

    Marvel is unrecognizable. I tried so many times to get back into Marvel in the last few years and I just cannot do it. These are not the characters I, and so many others have loved for decades.

    Ironman has become a total butt hole. I love IM, and they have ruined his character.

    Now Spidey is erasing his marriage from what I just heard from a buddy! What the heck is that?!

    The whole Civil war thing was so stupid!!!

    Spider-man revealed his secret identity, that is so dumb and lame! It totally takes away from the character and that fun comic book tradition of having a secret identity.

    They did the lamest thing by having Captain america die, when we all know he'll be back. It is just too much of a rip off of The death of Superman. Also, Marvel kills characters way too much. It's done so much that by doing that to CA didn't even feel like a big impact like it did when it happened to Supes.

    They really screwed up Wolverine. First they ruined his great feral look by trying to make him look more like that lame look they came up with in those so called X-Men movies. Then they took away all his mystique and everything that made him work by giving him back his memories.
    Then when they revealed what his relationship is to Sabretooth it was really stupid, I still don't get what the hell that was!!!

    Then there are his stories that go on and on and get no where, same's done with the Hulk. The whole epic with him off planet started off okay then just ran too long, I quit reading it. It's like yeah just have him come back and smash and get revenge. Instead it's just a long drawn out bunch of too many titles getting no where and taking a million years to say nothing!!!

    Pathetic!

    I have gone completely off Marvel and until they fix things I am done.

    They should keep up remaking their movies too, 'cause they sure messed those up. The only place I get to see my fave Marvels is in the films that are faithful like Spidey, and let's see, oh wait those are the only good Marvel films! Remake Daredevil and the X-men next!

    Marvel sucks!

    Make mine DC!:brucebat:
     
  2. Leto Registered

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    I think it's healthy for you to vent your frustrations on a message board.
     
  3. Stallion9979 The Icon

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    lol...alot of valid points though...nowadays Marvel just sucks across the board...
     
  4. hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    While his decisions with Spider-Man have been nothing but a reign of terror and the Ultimate line sucks, the rest of Quesada's tenure at Marvel has been pretty damn good if you ask me.

    We've got great books right now such as Thor, Avengers: The Initiative, Captain America, Daredevil, the Incredible Hulk/Hercules, Astonishing X-Men, Cable & Deadpool, Punisher: War Journal, etc.

    The X-books have been great with Guggenheim on Wolverine, Brubaker on Uncanny X-Men, PAD on X-Factor, Nicieza on the soon to be cancelled Cable & Deadpool, Whedon on Astonishing X-Men, and Carey on X-Men/Legacy.

    He brought Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and the Avengers to their original numbering. Hopefully he'll do the same to Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and the Incredible Hulk when the time is appropriate.

    He's had great writers at his side like J. Straczynski, Brian M. Bendis, Peter David, Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction, Marc Guggenheim, Greg Pak, Mark Millar, and Dan Slott to make the books good.

    Think about it in a business perspective. Marvel's sales have been great. Books that used to sell below 50,000 like the Avengers, Captain America, and Thor are now at rather high levels. The Ultimate Marvel line started off as a HUGE success. He managed to get the publishing rights to the Dark Tower comic and it was a huge success. And events like Civil War/the Initiative, House of M/Decimation, and Planet Hulk/World War Hulk/Aftersmash sell very well too. Why fire him when business is going good?

    To each their own.

    No, JMS made him come off as a total butt hole.

    If you read Iron Man's own ongoing or even books like Civil War (where Iron Man questioned if he was doing the right thing), Captain America (shows remorse for Captain America's death), Fallen Son (same) Front Line (shows remorse for his actions and sets up a fund to provide for families of superheroes), and Casualties of War (goes into depth on why he supports the SHRA and became the leader of the movement), you'd see that he's not a total dickbag there.

    Yeah, Quesada totally f**ked that one up unfortunately. And not only that. He's literally undone a lot of 20 years of Spider-Man and Marvel continuity. No longer is Spider-Man's identity public, no longer is he married to Mary Jane, no longer was she ever pregnant, Harry Osborne is back from the dead, he lives in his aunt's house as she makes wheatcakes. A lot of the Marvel Universe involving Spider-Man just doesn't make any sense anymore. Like if his identity is now secret, Tony should have never made the Scarlet Spider suits (now used in Avengers: The Initiative). With him never unmasking, the anti-reg movement should have not gained as much traction as it did before the death of Bill Foster. And more.

    Civil War started off pretty damn good. The ending was just rather dumb.

    Don't worry, that's already been undone unfortunately. Which is a shame because we never got to see any story possibilities with a public Spider-Man.

    If you actually read the damn story, you'd see that it is downright amazing.

    Meh I don't mind them making him look a bit more like the movies. And I'm glad that he has his memories back. It's called character progression and the "I'm still trying to find out my past" and the mystery motiff kinda wears off after 30 years.

    I found Planet Hulk and World War Hulk to be great.

    20th Century Fox screwed up Daredevil and X-Men: The Last Stand, not Marvel. Marvel is now making the Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man and they look to be as fantastic as the Spider-Man movies.

    They both rock if you ask me.
     
  5. CBG Registered

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    As long as he's making sales for Marvel Comics, he keeps his job.
     
  6. roach I am the night

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    it's JQ's decision making as EIC that caused me to drop all Marvel books
     
  7. Joker Registered

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    He totally screwed over Spider-Man, but I've been supportive of everything else he's done. Civil War was good and the current Captain America arc and the Ultimate line are both things I'm really enjoying right now.
     
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    The man just worries me. Whilst we get an awful take on Peter by him, I'm pretty miffed. But, then again, he has made a few neat decisions here and there.

    Look at the new books which have came out this year :up:
    The man does worry me though, like I stated. Having to be persuaded to bring out Annihilation, when he was hell bent on giving us a story that ending up with Cap surrendering? Eh.
     
  9. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    I think he's mostly done good. He worries me too, given that he'll still approve stuff like OMD and Sins Past, and the insights we've gotten into his thought processes for the characters are just shockingly nonsensical in some cases; but he's had the wherewithal to put Ed Brubaker, Steve Epting, and Mike Perkins on Captain America, reinvigorate Thor for the dummies who didn't already like him, approve Annihilation and give the reins to great creators like Giffen and DnA, etc. The good definitely outweighs the bad.
     
  10. PhotoJones Registered

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    Not to mention putting PAD back on X-Factor with what seems like free reign, bringing Iron Fist back from obscurity and not shying away from putting real talent on new properties.
     
  11. GNR Registered

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    Oh shut the hell up.
     
  12. Gilpesh Registered

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    Which is awesome... and why I think of him as an idiot instead of a *****.
     
  13. Havok83 Registered

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    He's the reason why Jean Grey has been MIA for the past few years and Ive hated that decision
     
  14. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    If no Jean means no Phoenix, I'm glad she's stayed dead. That was one of Joe Q's good decisions.

    Don't worry, though, I'm sure she'll come back eventually when some writer runs out of ideas and decides to recreate the love triangle between Emma, Scott, and Jean.
     
  15. Ikaris-Eternal Registered

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    sure, marvel is WAY worse off than it was ten years ago. ::rolls eyes:: It wasn't really that long ago that marvel was mired in Heroes Reborn and other bad ideas.

    some curious decisions by Quesada, especially with spider-man, but the initiative thing has been a really interesting story idea. There are wonderful books being published now.

    if he is remembered for shaking up the status quo, for good and bad, that's hardly a negative.
     
  16. mybotisgone Registered

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    OK, here you go.
     
  17. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Now you're just spamming. :o
     
  18. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    So the content of the books is irrelevant, his decision making caused you to drop all Marvel books. You realize how ******ed that sounds right?
     
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    What's been good about Quesada's Marvel:
    -Recently, Endangered Species/Messiah Complex, combined with Joss Whedon's stunning Astonishing X-Men, was enough to convince me to start snapping up every X-Men and X-related back issue and new issue I could find, turning me fairly quickly from someone who didn't give two ****s for X-Men comics into an X-fanatic.
    -Captain America's always solid.
    -Many thanks for finally putting out that last Ghost Rider issue from the early 1990s run that never got published.

    What's bad about Quesada's Marvel:
    -The Ultimate line is ******ed.
    -Suddenly, there's no such thing as smoking! I know that seems like a small thing, but I think that's inappropriate and disrespectful to the characters.
    -Their events are just abominable, but then, when were they anything but that?
    -Spider-Man was never a favorite of mine, but I used to flip through his comics at the shop every time a new arc started to see if I wanted to read it. That occasional desire has been completely purged from my being. No secret identity? One More Day? Yeah, no.
    -Hulk. Yeah, I remember when I used to like Hulk.
    -Iron Man was always a *****ebag, but when a character goes from being a *****ebag to being the most vile, disgusting, unsympathetic villain in the universe, I call that character-rape.
    -I could go on.
     
  20. RockSP MYTH SMITH ˆž∞!!!

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    Yeah she should have never come back to begin with.
     
  21. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Eh, I like Jean. I just hate the Phoenix. Jean with high-level psychic powers = :up:; Jean with cosmic powers and/or a cosmic entity thing = :down.
     
  22. PhotoJones Registered

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    I agree with that line of thought. I miss Jean, but I've never liked her as the Phoenix.
     
  23. mybotisgone Registered

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    It's magic, we don't have to explain it.:hehe:
     
  24. mybotisgone Registered

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    Jean and the Phoenix force where never the same person. That didn't happen until Joe Q joined Marvel.
     
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    I don't like it being a part of her.
     

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