Quesada killed Marvel.

[RockSP]

Jean and the Phoenix force where never the same person. That didn't happen until Joe Q joined Marvel.

Actually they were the same person until they decided to resurrect her for X-factor. Then they went into the whole stupid "Phoenix took her shape but the real Jean was at the bottom of a lake in a cocoon for a few years" thing. Thus #$$*ing up the whole Phoenix Saga.

 

[Darthphere]

What's bad about Quesada's Marvel:
-The Ultimate line is ******ed.

While I hate the Ultimate line personally, and think most of the titles suck ass, it makes money and really, that's what counts for them.

-Suddenly, there's no such thing as smoking! I know that seems like a small thing, but I think that's inappropriate and disrespectful to the characters.

Well characters don't have feelings, and while again, I agree it's stupid, it hasn't stopped me from enjoying any comics. The Thing, Wolverine, Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, still enjoyable.

-Their events are just abominable, but then, when were they anything but that?

World War Hulk? Annihilation? Messiah Complex? These events are abominable? I wouldn't even call Civil War that.

-Spider-Man was never a favorite of mine, but I used to flip through his comics at the shop every time a new arc started to see if I wanted to read it. That occasional desire has been completely purged from my being. No secret identity? One More Day? Yeah, no.

Nothing really to counter that, except if you never bought Spider-Man anyway, you're not really missing anything right?

-Hulk. Yeah, I remember when I used to like Hulk.

Me too. Oh wait, that's right now. The Hulk is better than ever.

-Iron Man was always a *****ebag, but when a character goes from being a *****ebag to being the most vile, disgusting, unsympathetic villain in the universe, I call that character-rape.

Except it's not. Sadly, a few writers have gone overboard with Tony, but for the most part, he continues to be that morally ambiguous hero we all knew and loved.

-I could go on.

Please don't.

 

[RAMORE]

Ok let's all agree there are a ton of us who just hate change at all we want things to be like they are. Alot of decisions I don't like but i have to admit alot i don't read the books. So it's like what jean grey is dead again and cyke was cheating with emma?!?!?! What's going on? But i didn't read it i don't know if it made sense or not.

Now some moves just go completely against character especially with spidey. He would never reveal, he would never choose to loose MJ it's all a bunch of ****e when it comes to spidey if you ask me. But i think the good does outway the bad.

The thing about Joey i don't get he start the whole ultimate line so he could have his unmarried spidey just to essentially kill MJ with out giving her a burial which is worse. I've been saying for well over a year that civil war was just to set up him getting rid of MJ

 

[luke1234]

Quesada did kill Marvel

 

[Darthphere]

Quesada did kill Marvel

I didn't realize Marvel stopped publishing comics.

 

[RockSP]

Quesada did kill Marvel

But he didn't kill the deputy.

 

[PhotoJones]

I didn't realize Marvel stopped publishing comics.

Yeah, back in 2004. It's a little known fact.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, back in 2004. It's a little known fact.

Is that what MJ whispered to Mephisto?

 

[PhotoJones]

I think so, yeah.

 

[RAMORE]

haha

 

[DoomJester]

I don't think Quesada killed Marvel. He messed around with the history of character I never really read. Okay.

On the other hand-- the Ultimate Universe I was able to enjoy off and on. And if all that ever came out of the Ultimate Universe was the Ultimates that would still be one of the best comics anyone has ever published. But we also got Millar's Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate X-Men run. Judging by sales someone has to really like Ulitmate Spider-Man.

Another amazing thing he did, and one of the most important things he did was to get Marvel publishing trades of their titles regularly. Some people really only read trades-- they don't go to comic shops, but Barnes and Noble, and they keep up with the books-- late yes, but they keep up with the books. That was harder to do before Quesada came to Marvel, and it was something that DC only really got the hang of a few years ago.

So let's put OMD in perspective, before we say horrible things about this man.

 

[RockSP]

So let's put OMD in perspective, before we say horrible things about this man.

New to the site, huh?

 

[PhotoJones]

I don't think Quesada killed Marvel. He messed around with the history of character I never really read. Okay.

A lot of people did and still do. Okay.

 

[DoomJester]

I know a lot of people read Spider-man but my point is it's one character. I won't chase my post around defending it to the death but Spider-man is one character. And either you can go back to your trades or issues and read them again and enjoy or you can't. Nothing about One More Day entails that Spider-Man will can no longer be enjoyable.

And in general I'm tired of hearing people acting like Quesada is this evil man when he has done some great things. Spider-Man's success has always and will always depend on one thing-- not Mary Jane (being married to him), not Harry, but good stories.

 

[PhotoJones]

Quesada has done great things. I've never disputed that. I'm just saying it's a little silly to discount the people that are upset over his handling of Spider-Man just because you don't like the character.

 

[RAMORE]

He's not just one character doomjester he is the flagship character probably second best known in the whole world and they are writing him out of character badly.

 

[DoomJester]

Quesada has done great things. I've never disputed that. I'm just saying it's a little silly to discount the people that are upset over his handling of Spider-Man just because you don't like the character.

If, as a Spidey-fan you're upset, there is nothing I can say or do. I'm not being facetious when I say I wish people weren't upset this long. But because the ending has been known for so long people have been bashing Quesada for a lot longer than the last OMD issue and I think there is a fine line between upset and being downright rude. And it is being taken a bit out of proportion-- look at the thread we are in "killed Marvel?" This hyperbole isn't limited to this topic or website. It's everywhere. Here's another reason why I said what I said-- because people are upset at One More Day, it's suddenly fair-ground to just make topics and posts not only bashing the story (fine) but also JQ's name (very old by now). It's no longer discussion of any particular issue (both numbered and theoretical), it's unproductive, and it's starting to become unbecoming. Now I'm saying people should be censored or banned-- but they should exercise a bit more restraint. Spider-man was certainly not the perfect book before One More Day.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

People have been bashing Joe Q's name over a lot of things besides OMD almost since the day he took the EiC chair. Near-universal hatred is the editor-in-chief's cross to bear, much like the president catches flak for a lot of stuff that didn't necessarily have a lot to do with him. Fans don't know the inner workings of Marvel or what each employee does in each situation, so Joe Q (or any EiC) provides a neat, convenient scapegoat for all situations because his name is at the top of the hierarchy.

 

[PhotoJones]

I like it when we rationalize something and then we continue to be irrational anyway.

 

[Anubis]

It's the fanboy way.

 

[PhotoJones]

It's human nature.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I did say it was neat and convenient. Who's gonna pass up something that's neat and convenient?

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

While I hate the Ultimate line personally, and think most of the titles suck ass, it makes money and really, that's what counts for them.

Absolutely. Welcome to the Modern Age.
Substance? Bah! Positive message? Meaningless!
Cash? Hell to the yeah!!

 

[PhotoJones]

I did say it was neat and convenient. Who's gonna pass up something that's neat and convenient?

Certainly not Marvel. Oh, wait. Did you say "sloppy" and "mishandled"?

 

[iloveclones]

Quesada has done great things. I've never disputed that. I'm just saying it's a little silly to discount the people that are upset over his handling of Spider-Man just because you don't like the character.

Is it alright to discount them if we do like the character?