Batman Begins Question about Batman Begins.

[El Payaso]

Because that'd take even more time, given that it couldn't spread in the same way that Crane's toxin could. The toxin could spread over the entire city, whereas with the beam, He'd have to directly aim it at various parts of the city in order to completely kill everyone.

One would say if the emitter was designed to vaporize water supplies, it would be good enough to vaporize little portions of water (humans) in a huge surface.

It'd be as rediculous and easy for Batman to stop as Mr. Freeze trying to freeze Gotham with a giant telescope, or something.

It's not like Batman had more troubles in BB than he has in B&R.

Also, Ra's has always had clearer, larger than life goals and elaborate mass murder schemes in the comic books. What he was trying to gain in using the toxin was to have Gotham City, a city terrorised by it's own corruption, was to have it's citizens tear the city and themselves apart through mass panic after being attacked by an unforseen chain of events that no one could predict. To just shoot up some people with a microwave emitter is not on par with the grand scale scemes that Ra's always attempts in the comic books, and I applaud Nolan for getting that part of the character right, when he easily could've done it differently.

It was in the comics. Mh. Even so it would be still-

It may be a plothole, but it's very much true to who the character is.

Ah, ok.

 

[Bathead]

I re-viewed the movie with a mind to check out those parts featuring the microwave emitter. I ran those parts a number of times in slo-mo and all. The question is, how come the emitter didn't vaporize the water in the bodies of the people who crossed the path of the beam. For argumment's sake, let's say that is indeed what would happen if one were to cross the beam.The answer - because no-one did cross the path of the beam. The only time that MAYBE that happened is to the people in the streets of Gotham where the train passed. and it is possible they WERE hurt by it, it was just not shown, I didn't see anyone there get in the path either. Before you say, there was a guy on the ship and a ninja on the train walked in front of it and Bats and Ra's were fighting in front of it while it was on, note that, on the ship, when it is first turned on it is obviously in STANDBY mode, powered up but not emitting, the one guy walks past, THEN the other guy hits another switch to turn the beam on. On the train, as somone else pointed out, the beam had to be pointing DOWN in order for it to vaporize the water in the pipes under the street. Ra's and Bats were never in the path of the beam. Nobody was.

 

[Beelze]

I re-viewed the movie with a mind to check out those parts featuring the microwave emitter. I ran those parts a number of times in slo-mo and all. The question is, how come the emitter didn't vaporize the water in the bodies of the people who crossed the path of the beam. For argumment's sake, let's say that is indeed what would happen if one were to cross the beam.The answer - because no-one did cross the path of the beam. The only time that MAYBE that happened is to the people in the streets of Gotham where the train passed. and it is possible they WERE hurt by it, it was just not shown, I didn't see anyone there get in the path either. Before you say, there was a guy on the ship and a ninja on the train walked in front of it and Bats and Ra's were fighting in front of it while it was on, note that, on the ship, when it is first turned on it is obviously in STANDBY mode, powered up but not emitting, the one guy walks past, THEN the other guy hits another switch to turn the beam on. On the train, as somone else pointed out, the beam had to be pointing DOWN in order for it to vaporize the water in the pipes under the street. Ra's and Bats were never in the path of the beam. Nobody was.

That might've been me. I'll quote myself just to further accentuate the points we make:

For the umpteenth time, it doesn't shoot out microwaves in all directions. THE beam was directed downwards, so that it was aimed at the manholes/water main running under the track, remember? Batman was never under the beam, and we never saw anyone else get under the beam. There were some quick shots of people being next to rising, hot steam (that eventually cooled down, of course), but we never got to see if anyone of them got damaged. Batman himself QUICKLY passed through THE TOPS of A FEW of the jets of steam, and wouldn't have gotten hurt by them (you could liken it moving your finger quickly through a lighter's flame). So, this is NOT A PLOTHOLE, and it's disappointing to see some SHH! regulars still claiming that it is.

Seems some people NEED Nolan to include close-up shots of people melting, and thus making the movie R-rated for no good reason, or else they'll scream "Unrealistic! Plothole! Random derogatory remark!"

Shockwave of microwaves in all directions? Yeah, right!

 

[Cyrusbales]

Have you seen what happens when you microwave metal? even if the emmiter is pointing down, and can focus beams in a way that microwaves can't, how come the metal of the train isn't affected? "Do not put foil in the microwave", this is beacause putting metal in the microwave is HIGHLY dangerous, it reflects back excessive heat instantaneously and heats up itself, causing all things in neighbouring area's to heat up, and ignite in the case of some soft tissue etc, Try it, put some food in the microwave with metal around it, forks and foil etc, then see what happens.....

 

[Bathead]

Are you even paying attention, Cyrusbales? Let's say you're right, microwaves do work as you say. My point is there is not one incidence in the entire movie where anyone crosses the path of the beam. Not one. Which renders your argument moot.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's a movie. I think if it bothers you.....it's something that can be overlooked.

 

[El Payaso]

Have you seen what happens when you microwave metal? even if the emmiter is pointing down, and can focus beams in a way that microwaves can't, how come the metal of the train isn't affected? "Do not put foil in the microwave", this is beacause putting metal in the microwave is HIGHLY dangerous, it reflects back excessive heat instantaneously and heats up itself, causing all things in neighbouring area's to heat up, and ignite in the case of some soft tissue etc, Try it, put some food in the microwave with metal around it, forks and foil etc, then see what happens.....

Crap Cyrus, never thought of that but you're right.

It's a movie. I think if it bothers you.....it's something that can be overlooked.

Tot-a-lly

 

[Cyrusbales]

Are you even paying attention, Cyrusbales? Let's say you're right, microwaves do work as you say. My point is there is not one incidence in the entire movie where anyone crosses the path of the beam. Not one. Which renders your argument moot.

OK, put a piece metal in the microwave for about six minutes(the rough duration of the fight scene), then we'll see......

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You mean.....literally a microwave? Like....where I put my pizza to cook?

What would that prove?

 

[El Payaso]

The way microwaves work I guess.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah....but, I take it the microwave emitter from Batman Begins can't exactly heat up my Hungry Man steak dinner.....so, wtf?

 

[Bathead]

Dude, you still don't get it. It doesn't matter what happens in real life , the emitter is a fictional device in a fantasy world. It works in that world, like light sabers work in Star Wars (which Nolan cited as a "realistic" movie, BTW). What is it you're looking for, a science documentary? You're not gonna get it.

 

[El Payaso]

That's the thing, if they had called it 'XYZ rays' there would habçve been no confusion' but microwaves, we all know them.

And for that matter, I think the emitter can heat up your steak, just it would be overcooked. Or maybe the microwaves would be 'hey, is that human water or just cow water, what the hell do we do now?'

 

[Cyrusbales]

LOL, it's not fiction, that's my problem, they use microwaves when they clearly can't do what they claim they can, it's silly! Just admit it, lol

 

[El Payaso]

Maybe they should call the bat-suit a rubber suit, not kevlar.

Maybe in all this fiction, rubber can stop bullets or something.

 

[Saint]

I'm not reading this whole topic, just putting my two cents in; The machine was focused (in a beam, for example,m that was aimed DOWNWARDS which is why the train had to move along the water mains), so Batman and Ra's were not affected while fighting around it. The reason you didn't see any civilians under the train being horribly burned is because WB mandated a PG-13 rating. End of story.

My only significant problem is that the metal of the train didn't bugger up the machine.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not reading this whole topic, just putting my two cents in; The machine was focused (in a beam, for example,m that was aimed DOWNWARDS which is why the train had to move along the water mains), so Batman and Ra's were not affected while fighting around it. The reason you didn't see any civilians under the train being horribly burned is because WB mandated a PG-13 rating. End of story.

My only significant problem is that the metal of the train didn't bugger up the machine.

Having seen metal put in a microwave, I'd say it's more than significant

 

[El Payaso]

The reason you didn't see any civilians under the train being horribly burned is because WB mandated a PG-13 rating.

I'll give you this: it is quite an original explanation for it.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

LOL, it's not fiction, that's my problem, they use microwaves when they clearly can't do what they claim they can, it's silly! Just admit it, lol

I find it a little hard to believe that you can find THAT silly....and not the idea of a Man running around in Bat-styled costume fighting crime.

I mean....if you can allow that to pass you by....then i think you can kinda give the microwave thing a pass as well. I'd think between the gliding and the Batmobile flying on rooftops....you'd be bothered worse by other events in the film.

Are you like some Microwave Scientist or something? Seems your taking this Mircrowave thing entirely too seriously.

Maybe they should call the bat-suit a rubber suit, not kevlar.

Maybe in all this fiction, rubber can stop bullets or something.

Or better yet, just give him the gray tights and tell everyone it's magically made of steel. People will eat it up.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Wearing a batsuit isn't an impossibility of phsyics though, thats kinda th issue I have here...

 

[El Payaso]

Bingo.

And you don't need to be a sceintist to check how microwaves work in your own kitchen.

 

[Saint]

I'll give you this: it is quite an original explanation for it.

And also likely a correct one. I think it's unlikely that Nolan and Goyer actually didn't notice the problem, when every single fifteen year old fanboy on these boards saw it. I have to assume that being reasonably intelligent adults, the problems with the machine occurred to them. Given that, the options become that they A) knew about the problem and ignored it, deciding we could make up our own explanations, or B) decided they didn't want to show people being roasted alive in their Batman film.

I have to say the latter option is the more likely. Regardless, the microwave device isn't perfect, as has been pointed out, but frankly I don't think it's problematic enough to still being getting everybody's panties all knotted up.

 

[Saint]

Having seen metal put in a microwave, I'd say it's more than significant

Meh. If I let suspicious behaviour of technology ruin fiction for me, I'd never be able to watch Star Trek, or much else, for that matter. I certainly wouldn't be able to read comic books or watch comic book movies (hint: why exactly does a genetically engineered spider bite cause spider powers?).

Sometimes you've gotta let things slide.

 

[El Payaso]

And also likely a correct one. I think it's unlikely that Nolan and Goyer actually didn't notice the problem, when every single fifteen year old fanboy on these boards saw it. I have to assume that being reasonably intelligent adults, the problems with the machine occurred to them. Given that, the options become that they A) knew about the problem and ignored it, deciding we could make up our own explanations, or B) decided they didn't want to show people being roasted alive in their Batman film.

I would say it's the first one. This kind of tiny plotholes are very common, when you're doing something as complez as a movie you have to skip certain problems. It is not a sin or a real problem.

Now, why do I think it's the first? Because if the plan was vaporize people, why bother about the whole fear gas stuff?

frankly I don't think it's problematic enough to still being getting everybody's panties all knotted up.

It is not. I've been saying that througout all of the thread.

 

[Saint]

I would say it's the first one. This kind of tiny plotholes are very common, when you're doing something as complez as a movie you have to skip certain problems. It is not a sin or a real problem.

Now, why do I think it's the first? Because if the plan was vaporize people, why bother about the whole fear gas stuff?

Because that wasn't the plan? We've already established the weapon is focused, as opposed to wide range (which is why it had to be dragged over the mains to the hub) so in order to kill any decent number of people you'd have to march them under the beam. Not going to happen.

The only inconsistency that remains, as far as I can see, is the metal thing. Since nobody has been able to explain that away, it falls under my "let it slide" category.