Batman Begins Question about Batman Begins.

[Fenrir]

but why does it not vapourise the water in people? The machine is on and therefore focused, so when someone steps infront of it, they would suffer, that is not explained!

Here let me highlight this part again...

"focus microwaves to vaporize an enemy's water supply."


Apparently the microwave emitter was specifically created to vaporize an enemy's "water supply" and not their bodily fluids. The "focused microwaves" most probably are indicative of the microwaves focusing or targeting an enemy's water supply and not just every kind of water/liquid in the vicinity.

 

[Dope Nose]

Apparently the microwave emitter was specifically created to vaporize an enemy's "water supply" and not their bodily fluids. The "focused microwaves" most probably are indicative of the microwaves focusing or targeting an enemy's water supply and not just every kind of water/liquid in the vicinity.

um, what? how would the microwaves be able to differentiate between the water in the water supply and the water in the human body?

 

[Fenrir]

um, what? how would the microwaves be able to differentiate between the water in the water supply and the water in the human body?

Well, my theory is that since it is relatively easy to differentiate between water in the human body and tap water that is refined (as water in the human body is in it's purest form and has relatively low content of salt and other additional minerals found in tap, mineral and sea water plus, water inside the human body is present in the form of blood and lymphatic system whereas tap water is refined and has a much higher concentration of lead, radon and nitrates) the microwave emitter is somehow able to manipulate and target the microwaves to "focus" on properties of tap water/water supplies for evaporation.

Either way, it's ****ing movie fer crying out loud! If the film says it's like that, then I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. You do realize that you're questioning the "realism" or "scientific plausibility" of a film in which a guy dressed up as a bat can glide after opening his cape mid-air without having his arms ripped off from the wind resistance or drive around a hostile looking tank vehicle without getting shot by cops in those big, overly exposed tires etc etc.

 

[Dope Nose]

Well, my theory is that since it is relatively easy to differentiate between water in the human body and tap water that is refined (as water in the human body is in it's purest form and has relatively low content of salt and other additional minerals found in tap, mineral and sea water plus, water inside the human body is present in the form of blood and lymphatic system whereas tap water is refined and has a much higher concentration of lead, radon and nitrates) the microwave emitter is somehow able to manipulate and target the microwaves to "focus" on properties of tap water/water supplies for evaporation.

suppose it's also possible that the fear toxin contained some chemical that works in conjunction with the emitter allowing it to track the infected water.

 

[El Payaso]

um, what? how would the microwaves be able to differentiate between the water in the water supply and the water in the human body?

 

[Batman]

No, no. Don't you see? It wasn't a plothole. That was just a deleted scene. Both Ra's and Batman exploded into puddles of liquid, like they should've!

 

[Fenrir]

Can you please elaborate on how exactly is it a "plot hole" when the film already explained it and the device worked precisely like it was said in the film it would?

 

[El Payaso]

The movie explained nothing. That focus thing means nothing at all. They said the focus was on enemy's watyer supply, not on 'water outside the human body.'

We can discuss if the microwaves are able to tell the difference between a water supply of our allies and the enemy's one?


Now, let's be honest. No one care too much about it and it ruin the movie for no one. That said, it is an average plothole not worse than many others that happen in these kind of movies.

 

[El Payaso]

EDIT Double post

 

[Bathead]

Well, you're partially right, Payaso. It's not nearly as bad a plothole as the one in Returns.

 

[Fenrir]

The movie explained nothing. That focus thing means nothing at all.

Just because you say so? Right...

They said the focus was on enemy's watyer supply, not on 'water outside the human body.'

Truly you're not as dimwitted to the point of being unable to make the disctinction between "enemy's water supply" and water inside the human body. Suppose anyone tells you that the "water supply" in your building is running out, in your bizarro world, he might very well be implying to the bodily fluids of the tenants...right?

 

[El Payaso]

Well, you're partially right, Payaso. It's not nearly as bad a plothole as the one in Returns.

Sure, the old trick always works; If there are any bigger plotholes in other movie, that for sure will make this one less of a plothole.

Just because you say so? Right...

The movie said nothing about water in human bodies being çdifferent from any other kind in terms of microwaving or did it?

Truly you're not as dimwitted to the point of being unable to make the disctinction between "enemy's water supply" and water inside the human body. Suppose anyone tells you that the "water supply" in your building is running out, in your bizarro world, he might very well be implying to the bodily fluids of the tenants...right?

If there are microwaves implied, for sure.

 

[Fenrir]

The movie said nothing about water in human bodies being çdifferent from any other kind in terms of microwaving or did it?

And people complain there was too much exposition in Begins.

Do you really need every goddamn thing to be fed ad naseum to you? If there is any possibility that validates said so-called "plothole" in the film's universe, then it isn't even really a plothole to begin with.

If there are microwaves implied, for sure.

OK, suppose someone runs amok that there's a special military microwave device in the building that's going to vaporize the building's "water supply" , you're saying that you can't even figure out that it doesn't have anything to do with your bodily fluids? After all, the film states that the emitter was designed to vaporize an enemy's water supply and not just any kind of water. Otherwise that WE board member would have said the emitter was "designed to vaporize an enemy's water" or "designed to vaporize water". I mean come on, if can't even read such a simple inference, then I fear your intellectual incompetence.

 

[Cyrusbales]

If the machine could vapourise water from behind metal pipes, it would easily to the same for flesh. DO YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MICROWAVES WORK??? Clearly not, they are not some kind of super-intelligent nanintes that distinguish different types of water. When something is microwaved, it speeds up the motion of particles within the target, increasing it's temperature, and evaporating it(in the case of water). It's not hard to do, so just admit that it is a plothole.

 

[El Payaso]

OK, suppose someone runs amok that there's a special military microwave device in the building that's going to vaporize the building's "water supply" , you're saying that you can't even figure out that it doesn't have anything to do with your bodily fluids?

And why should I do that? Is there a special classification for "Human Water" different to any other? I can't find any classification of water that includes 'human water' as an item.

Now, if my body is in the building I won't risk to think, 'hey maybe the microwaves can tell the difference between my water and the water in the pipes, yes, since they're so smart. I'll stay and see.'

Objectivily if my body's in the building, my body's water is in the building too and microwaves [spoilers]can't discriminate.[/spoilers]

When I microwave fish and potatoes, they don't act over the fish's water and not on the potatoes' water.

After all, the film states that the emitter was designed to vaporize an enemy's water supply and not just any kind of water. Otherwise that WE board member would have said the emitter was "designed to vaporize an enemy's water" or "designed to vaporize water". I mean come on, if can't even read such a simple inference, then I fear your intellectual incompetence.

If you think miocrowaves can tell the difference between types of water and if you think 'human water' is a water classification, I fear yours. :meow:

 

[Bathead]

Well, look at it this way, the human body is, what, 90% water? It's not like it's a water balloon, a bag of flesh filled with fluid, the way a supply of water is held concentrated in a container or hollow pipe. The water is dispersed throughout all the tissues of the body, and those tissues to a certain degree interfere with the microwaves, making them less effective in the agitation of the water molecules. Scientific fact? Maybe not in the real world, but then we're not dealing with the real world here. Batman Begins is a FANTASY, no matter how many times anyone rants about the so-called realism in the film. It's only a plothole if you want it to be.

 

[El Payaso]

Well, you're partially right, Payaso. It's not nearly as bad a plothole as the one in Returns.

^ Fantasy explains it anyway.

 

[Fenrir]

And why should I do that? Is there a special classification for "Human Water" different to any other? I can't find any classification of water that includes 'human water' as an item.

Water inside the human body is distinctly different from tap water, like I said so earlier:

Well, my theory is that since it is relatively easy to differentiate between water in the human body and tap water that is refined (as water in the human body is in it's purest form and has relatively low content of salt and other additional minerals found in tap, mineral and sea water plus, water inside the human body is present in the form of blood and lymphatic system whereas tap water is refined and has a much higher concentration of lead, radon and nitrates) the microwave emitter is somehow able to manipulate and target the microwaves to "focus" on properties of tap water/water supplies for evaporation.

Now, if my body is in the building I won't risk to think, 'hey maybe the microwaves can tell the difference between my water and the water in the pipes, yes, since they're so smart. I'll stay and see.'

Objectivily if my body's in the building, my body's water is in the building too and microwaves [spoilers]can't discriminate.[/spoilers]

When I microwave fish and potatoes, they don't act over the fish's water and not on the potatoes' water.

Yes, obviously a top-secret military weapons works exactly like the microwave sitting in your kitchen. I'm sure the geniuses at Wayne Enterprises' Advanced Science labs had a collective "Oh Snap!" moment when they realized all they had to do was just make a bigger microwave oven to get the job done.

LAWL.

If you think miocrowaves can tell the difference between types of water and if you think 'human water' is a water classification, I fear yours. :meow:

It's ****ing movie for crying out loud.

If the film says it has got a desert warfare weapon that specifically targets water supplies and not bodily fluids of living organisms, what is the problem? Or are you so absorbed in the imaginary of the world of the film that you fail to make the distinction between what is or is not acceptable in reality and film?

 

[Fenrir]

It's only a plothole if you want it to be.

Highlighted for lil' ol Payaso.

Oh and let me reiterare: If there is any possibility that explains and validates said phenomenon or so-called "plothole" in the film's universe, then it isn't even really a plothole to begin with.

 

[El Payaso]

Water inside the human body is distinctly different from tap water, like I said so earlier:

Well, my theory is that since it is relatively easy to differentiate between water in the human body and tap water that is refined (as water in the human body is in it's purest form and has relatively low content of salt and other additional minerals found in tap, mineral and sea water plus, water inside the human body is present in the form of blood and lymphatic system whereas tap water is refined and has a much higher concentration of lead, radon and nitrates) the microwave emitter is somehow able to manipulate and target the microwaves to "focus" on properties of tap water/water supplies for evaporation.

Your theory... is supposed to be a proof of anything?

Allow me...


LAWL

Yes, obviously a top-secret military weapons works exactly like the microwave sitting in your kitchen.

It's nothing ridiculous. In fact it's exctly what they suggest in the movie. It's a giant microwave emitter, much much bigger and powerful that the one in our kitchens, just like military planes work exactly the same as regular ones but they're more powerful. The Law of Lawls needs to be used with some background.

Btw, I guess we have to assume there are different types of microwaves now. Please enlighten us and brighten up our days with another of your dazzling theories about it.

I'm sure the geniuses at Wayne Enterprises' Advanced Science labs had a collective "Oh Snap!" moment when they realized all they had to do was just make a bigger microwave oven to get the job done.

LAWL.

No, military men pointed their guns at the emitter and went 'Ok, a**hole, now you're gonna microwave water, but not human water, just water... and by the way it's enemies' water, not friends or allies' water, you got it? And now we're at it, try and not vaporize the beaches, we could use a splash after the battle'

God, not even I can resist your kind of theory making.

It's ****ing movie for crying out loud.

It's ****ing plothole for crying out loud. :meow:

Waitasec. It's just a movie? so I shouldn't look any further explanation? May I ask then why you do?

If the film says it has got a desert warfare weapon that specifically targets water supplies and not bodily fluids of living organisms, what is the problem? Or are you so absorbed in the imaginary of the world of the film that you fail to make the distinction between what is or is not acceptable in reality and film?

Microwaves can't discriminate water in reality and as far as we know they can't in the BB world. It's just that the thing can't work if Ra's was microwaving human water...

...now I think about it...

It would have been even better that way for Ra's plans!!!

Good bye Gotham at once. And the goddam HAS to microwave with a emitter that discriminate type of waters *snap*

 

[El Payaso]

Highlighted for lil' ol Payaso.

Oh and let me reiterare: If there is any possibility that explains and validates said phenomenon or so-called "plothole" in the film's universe, then it isn't even really a plothole to begin with.

Scientific fact: big letters doesn't make you right. It shows anger at most. :meow:

If it's a plothole just if you want it to be, then your possibilities are valid if you want them to be. We're again where we started.

 

[Bathead]

The point of "it's only a movie" is that in the "fictional reality" of the movie's universe, the ME works as it did. In our (actual) reality, it probably wouldn't. My reasons for accepting that it works in the context of that "fictional reality"
may not be sufficient for you, that's fine. It's not a plothole to me, because I can accept, IN THE FICTIONAL WORLD OF BATMAN BEGINS, that it works that way.

 

[El Payaso]

I might think your reasons are not good enough for me...

OR... I can take Lawless' angle on these problems:

- Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
- I see, all right, yes, but in-
- Wizard!

*Aw, for glaven out loud.*

 

[Strange]

The point of "it's only a movie" is that in the "fictional reality" of the movie's universe, the ME works as it did. In our (actual) reality, it probably wouldn't. My reasons for accepting that it works in the context of that "fictional reality"
may not be sufficient for you, that's fine. It's not a plothole to me, because I can accept, IN THE FICTIONAL WORLD OF BATMAN BEGINS, that it works that way.

I guess I can accept the fact that this ME works in the Fictional world of Batman but in reality it would be impossible. Again it just bugged me but it didn't really change my view of the movie. Again another minor thing that bugged me and again this is really nit picking is that you can tell that her wears some kind of black make-up around his eyes but you never seen him put it on or remove it. I think it would have been funny if he went up to his birthday party and still have the black make up around his eyes. But again I know its nit picking because I mean we never see Superman comb his hair once he changes into his suit.

 

[Cats]

But it isn't explained, that's the problem....

Not everything has to be explained, that's what the grey matter is for.

Obviously if the machine's intent was to vapourize the enemy's water supply and not their bodily content, the machine was created to avoid any organic substances and to penetrate only concrete/metal.

It isn't a big stretch of the mind when you think about it. Just because the technology doesn't exist today, it doesn't mean it might not someday.