Batman Begins Question about Batman Begins.

[Fenrir]

Someone said that the technology doesn't exist yet, so it could do in the future, but that technology WOULDN'T BE MICROWAVES! Mocrowaves cannot distinguish from organic and inorganic, PLEASE, just admit there is a mistake in BB, just like in SM2, there are plotholes that people just don't see whilst making.

Please read up on what a plothole actually is before making nonsense statements like that. I'll say it again - Is the microwave emitter technology in BB unrealistic? Sure. Plothole? Um, nope. Oh and you might want to go through the entire discussion between me and Payaso before replying, considering what you are about to reply with might be, in all probability, already covered in the extensive debate in some capacity or another.

 

[El Payaso]

Cyrusbale, for god's sake, before replying, THINK what you're gonna say man! C'mon!

 

[Fenrir]

Cyrusbale, for god's sake, before replying, THINK what you're gonna say man! C'mon!

Damn straight.

 

[Two-Face]

You guys still at it? I watched BB again and "mocrowaves" didn't bother the story the director wanted to tell, it adds more excitement to the story more then anything else...

 

[El Payaso]

It didn't bother me either, as I stated multiple times.

 

[Beelze]

For the umpteenth time, it doesn't shoot out microwaves in all directions. THE beam was directed downwards, so that it was aimed at the manholes/water main running under the track, remember? Batman was never under the beam, and we never saw anyone else get under the beam. There were some quick shots of people being next to rising, hot steam (that eventually cooled down, of course), but we never got to see if anyone of them got damaged. Batman himself QUICKLY passed through THE TOPS of A FEW of the jets of steam, and wouldn't have gotten hurt by them (you could liken it moving your finger quickly through a lighter's flame). So, this is NOT A PLOTHOLE, and it's disappointing to see some SHH! regulars still claiming that it is.

 

[chosen1]

Man.. you guys still at it? What round is this? LOL

 

[Superwoman Prime]

You see. There's this magical thing called movie land that's not reality.

Nolan's baseline was supposed to be reality though.

(just saying. Don't even care about the microwave debate crap)

 

[El Payaso]

For the umpteenth time, it doesn't shoot out microwaves in all directions. THE beam was directed downwards, so that it was aimed at the manholes/water main running under the track, remember? Batman was never under the beam, and we never saw anyone else get under the beam.

Then the plothole would be why did Ra's use the microwave emitter and the whole - and long - water poisoning plan in such a complicated way when all he had to do was using the microwave to kill gothamites?

 

[Batman]

Because that'd take even more time, given that it couldn't spread in the same way that Crane's toxin could. The toxin could spread over the entire city, whereas with the beam, He'd have to directly aim it at various parts of the city in order to completely kill everyone. It'd be as rediculous and easy for Batman to stop as Mr. Freeze trying to freeze Gotham with a giant telescope, or something.

Oh, snap.

Also, Ra's has always had clearer, larger than life goals and elaborate mass murder schemes in the comic books. What he was trying to gain in using the toxin was to have Gotham City, a city terrorised by it's own corruption, was to have it's citizens tear the city and themselves apart through mass panic after being attacked by an unforseen chain of events that no one could predict. To just shoot up some people with a microwave emitter is not on par with the grand scale scemes that Ra's always attempts in the comic books, and I applaud Nolan for getting that part of the character right, when he easily could've done it differently.

It may be a plothole, but it's very much true to who the character is.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread. What's going on right now.

 

[CConn]

Nolan's baseline was supposed to be reality though.

(just saying. Don't even care about the microwave debate crap)

But do you know what Nolan considers to be "realistic"?

In an interview, when asked that question, he answered that movies such as On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Indiana Jones, and Star Wars were, to him, realistic movies. Not so much that any of them could happen in real life, but rather that they all created their own fictional realities that were believable.

We all know hyperspace, or lightsabers could never work outside of Star Wars, so what's soooo horrible about knowing the microwave emitter could never work outside of Batman Begins?

 

[Batman]

I'm too lazy to read the whole thread. What's going on right now.

Mardi Gras. Get the beads.

 

[Cyrusbales]

So, basically youre saying that when, for example, Star Trek uses the transporter, that's a plothole and a mistake, because that is a scientific impossibilty in real life.
Oh, and way to go Payaso, bringing out the fanboy insult when somone disagrees with you. Nice.

No, because microwave DO EXIST now, if they'd have called it something else, then that would be fine, but microwaves only work in certain ways, for something to evaporate the water differently, would be a different piece of technology. It's like calling the enterprise's transporter a car or something, it's a different piece of technology, hence the plothole.

 

[CConn]

No, because microwave DO EXIST now, if they'd have called it something else, then that would be fine, but microwaves only work in certain ways, for something to evaporate the water differently, would be a different piece of technology. It's like calling the enterprise's transporter a car or something, it's a different piece of technology, hence the plothole.

The basic technology in which lightsabers stem from exist. Yet could never be used in the same way lightsabers are.

 

[Cyrusbales]

The basic technology in which lightsabers stem from exist. Yet could never be used in the same way lightsabers are.

Basic technology, like the basic technology for transporters, or the basic technology for warp drive, it's more about understandings etc, but microwave tech cannot be used in the way described in BB, we fully understand microwaves and how they work, nothing where the heating can distinguish between organic and inorganic

 

[CConn]

Basic technology, like the basic technology for transporters, or the basic technology for warp drive, it's more about understandings etc, but microwave tech cannot be used in the way described in BB, we fully understand microwaves and how they work, nothing where the heating can distinguish between organic and inorganic

We pretty much fully understand it's impossible to go faster than the speed of light, yet it's done in a bevy of science fiction movies.

 

[Cyrusbales]

We pretty much fully understand it's impossible to go faster than the speed of light, yet it's done in a bevy of science fiction movies.

they do so by using impossible technology, they don't say a 50 litre engine, they use warp engines etc, or fold space. You can't use a microwave emmitter for something that it can't do!

 

[Bathead]

And that's the point. Like light sabers work in the fictional world of Star Wars, the microwave emitter works in the fictional world of Batman Begins. Fiction does not always have to conform to the rules of reality.

 

[Cyrusbales]

But Nolan claims realism, and lightsabre's use technology that doesn't exist, they don't claim to be using torches, BB uses tech that does exist, but DOESN'T have the ability to work in that manner.

Also, star wars is set in our own universe(hence the same laws of overall physics), just a random thought.

 

[CConn]

And that's the point. Like light sabers work in the fictional world of Star Wars, the microwave emitter works in the fictional world of Batman Begins. Fiction does not always have to conform to the rules of reality.

Exactly.

Pretty much every one who calls it a plot hole (or, hell, an "annoyance") only seem to care because it doesn't conform to their own understanding of science.

If Nolan and Goyer made up some fake mumbo jumbo, would it automatically be fine? Of course, it wouldn't. It'd still be a plot hole, it'd still never be able to work in the real world. All it would do is play into their own ignorance.

 

[CConn]

But Nolan claims realism, and lightsabre's use technology that doesn't exist, they don't claim to be using torches, BB uses tech that does exist, but DOESN'T have the ability to work in that manner.

Also, star wars is set in our own universe(hence the same laws of overall physics), just a random thought.

I already explained how Nolan "claims realism". He doesn't believe realism means it HAS to work in the real world. Simply that it fits into his make-believe, created universe.

And no, Star Wars isn't actually set in our own universe, nor does it apply to the same laws of physics, so I haven't a clue what you're talking about there.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Exactly.

Pretty much every one who calls it a plot hole (or, hell, an "annoyance") only seem to care because it doesn't conform to their own understanding of science.

If Nolan and Goyer made up some fake mumbo jumbo, would it automatically be fine? Of course, it wouldn't. It'd still be a plot hole, it'd still never be able to work in the real world. All it would do is play into their own ignorance.

actually it would be fine, science people never minded about Star Trek, because it MADE up something, not distorting ann ACTUAL piece of technology.

I wouldn't have minded if it was a surrealist film, but BB is designed to be realistic, it draws heavily on OUR own world and conforms to it's rules, then takes something from our world, and changes it to the point of farce. That's the quibble!

 

[CConn]

actually it would be fine, science people never minded about Star Trek, because it MADE up something, not distorting ann ACTUAL piece of technology.

I wouldn't have minded if it was a surrealist film, but BB is designed to be realistic, it draws heavily on OUR own world and conforms to it's rules, then takes something from our world, and changes it to the point of farce. That's the quibble!

Your quibble is you don't like Batman Begins, and you want to complain about it every single chance you get.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Your quibble is you don't like Batman Begins, and you want to complain about it every single chance you get.

I like BB, I think it's a decent enough film! I just find this mistake a little overbearing, it's a bit of a silly mistake, that is highly unneccesary.