Comics Question about Emma Frost and the Phoenix

[FieryBalrog]

I think things that are revealed in possible futures that are before the "breaking point" (like Sebita said) are usually considered canon because they happen in the mainstream timeline.

So the Cuckoos are Weapon 14. Theres no way they could have become weapon 14 because of Scott's decision (which broke the timeline) so they must have been weapon 14 already.

It makes sense too.

About the Gambit being a clone of Sinister with Scott's DNA, that wouldnt make him a Summers brother, it would just mean he has some Summers DNA in him. So it doesnt contradict Vulcan being the 3rd Summers brother at all. I still think its a dumb idea but its happened so.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Barlog we need you in the Last Man Standing thread.

 

[FieryBalrog]

Barlog we need you in the Last Man Standing thread.

We have come.

 

[Exploding Boy]

And judgement will be served.

 

[FieryBalrog]

Reprisals will commence.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Only the true believers will survive.

 

[Cryostar1177]

Indeed...now, the other question is, was Phoenix: End Song a divergent time line on it's own. It's is most possible that it takes place in a time stream that separated thousands of years before from the mainstream.

Hell, since we bring it up, maybe this is a time stream where they were conceived naturally, not a part of Weapon plus....just throwing more food for thought out there.

 

[rabidfanboy]

The events of Endsong have been discussed in continuity in the mainstream books so it is not an alternate universe or timeline.

 

[FieryBalrog]

Endsong is in continuity just like Kitty Pryde's recent miniseries or Colossus's.

 

[Wolverazio]

What I want to know (and I place before the court) is X-Men: The End an alternate future...or alternate reality?

If it is an alternate future, then yes, Cuckoos as Weapon Plus are to be accepted as much as Gambit being a bastard child of Sinister and Cyclops.

BUT, it is an alternate reality, then one has nothing to do with the other.

So anyone have definitive word on what it is?

EDIT!!::

X-Men: The End is a trilogy of miniseries detailing the last days of the X-Men and their adventures in the future of an alternate universe. It is written by Chris Claremont and drawn by Sean Chen, with Greg Land doing the cover art. The first part of the miniseries is titled Dreamers and Demons, the second Heroes and Martyrs, and the third Men and X-Men.

If you believe Wikipedia (not the most reliable) then no. You can believe the Cuckoos are a product of Weapon Plus and ignore Gambit's connection to Sinister.

 

[Valechan]

It's an alternate future, it happens in the future and it's a natural extrapolation of the initial Reload. Everything was the same until a certain point, which I guess is House of M.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Are you aloud to have pictures in your sig's on this site?

 

[Valechan]

It's not on my sig, it's before my sig

 

[Exploding Boy]

Its the same thing.

 

[Valechan]

No it isn't. It's before the sig, it's not IN the sig.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Whatever. You and Ororo are very similar, her indomitable will and your indomitable stubbornness

 

[Valechan]

LOL, that is so true.

 

[Wolverazio]

It's an alternate future, it happens in the future and it's a natural extrapolation of the initial Reload. Everything was the same until a certain point, which I guess is House of M.

According to Wikipedia it's the future of an alternate reality (and since everything's the same until say...House of M that would continue to classify it as...DUN DUN DUN, alternate reality).

So, unless someone can find something to contradict this (which may exist) they are apples and oranges.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I think Marvels explanation for alternate realities is tied to their explanation for possible futures. Its said theres prime reality (616) and every decision made in 616 closes off alternate pathways for that decision. Each alternate pathway splits off into a new alternate reality where that pathway was chosen intead of the one chosen in 616.

So I'm guessing that once a possible future is "closed off"- because the decision that leads to it wasn't taken in 616- it splits off into an alternate reality.

 

[Cryostar1177]

That would be correct.

Isn't earth 616 the Ultimates earth?

 

[Essex]

I didn't pay much attention to X-Men: The End, but didn't it star a supposed daughter of Bishop and Deathbird? Has she been seen in any other comics yet? If she doesn't exist, it can be assumed The End is an alternate REALITY and not just an alternate future, can't it?

Excuse me if I'm wrong though, as I didn't read many issues of it.

 

[Wolverazio]

I didn't pay much attention to X-Men: The End, but didn't it star a supposed daughter of Bishop and Deathbird? Has she been seen in any other comics yet? If she doesn't exist, it can be assumed The End is an alternate REALITY and not just an alternate future, can't it?

Excuse me if I'm wrong though, as I didn't read many issues of it.

Plus, considering it's mentioned as an alternate reality, who is to say that the choice of Sinister cloning/creating Gambit isn't part of what sets it different from main continuity? Why I'll take it at face value, alternate future breaks off at a certain point and alternate reality is different altogether.

That would be correct.

Isn't earth 616 the Ultimates earth?

No. Earth 616 is main continuity. Sebita probably knows what designation Ultimates is given (I think he posted it somewhere else).

 

[Valechan]

No, the Ultimate World doesn't have a number yet.

The correct term for alternate futures such as the X-Men the End world or Earth 15104 (Here comes tomorrow) is DIVERGENT Alternate reality. It's called such because it shares a past with a reality, say Earth 616, and then it diverges at certain point (HCT changes in X-Men 154, X-Men the End, supposedly at HOM).

 

[Cryostar1177]

That's for the knowledge drop Sebita.

Even though I know it's not real, I've somewhat enjoyed X-Men then end.....it deals with the brood, that's always a good thing, even if it is Claremont.

 

[Harlekin]

X-Men the End, supposedly at HOM).

Except that is simply speculation. We have no idea where the two timelines would have diverged. Heck, the End could have diverged from 616 with the birth of Gambit. Even though some of its events remain largely the same, its future would be different.