Questions/Suggestions for Tim Story (Post them here!)

[The Ones]

Tim, im not an avid FF reader and i enjoyed FF1 (the only 2 faults IMO was the length of the film and how Doom was defeated). My only comment for the sequel is do the Fantasticar right. I have never read 1 issue of FF and i think the Fantasticar will look crap when transferred to film (think what the general movie audience will think when they have, like me, never read an issue of FF). So do the car right. To me it is the thing that is near impossible to do without being to cheesy for the film.

That is all and thanks for reading.

 

[Advanced Dark]

If you guys didn't read Tim's latest Blog he said he now won't be posting here. However you can post your questions on his site or e-mail him there. He did register here and was trying to post the night I told you guys but he never confirmed his e-mail and didn't realize why he couldn't post and gave up. It was then later registered but now it is dormant. ID was TIMSTER

 

[rguy]

Ah come on i know yoiu just wanna see Jessica in that outfit.

but i don't know depends maybe on how many movies they make.

Jessica would look quite good in the malice outfit!

 

[Spider - Man]

Tim, im not an avid FF reader and i enjoyed FF1 (the only 2 faults IMO was the length of the film and how Doom was defeated). My only comment for the sequel is do the Fantasticar right. I have never read 1 issue of FF and i think the Fantasticar will look crap when transferred to film (think what the general movie audience will think when they have, like me, never read an issue of FF). So do the car right. To me it is the thing that is near impossible to do without being to cheesy for the film.

That is all and thanks for reading.

I think one of the tricks to making it look good is to have some distortion underneath kinda like on the first Spiderman movie when the guy is testing the goblin glider, you can see the air rippling underneath from the vertical jets. A small thing but one that I think would have a big impact on sellingthe realistic look of the thing.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He did register here and was trying to post the night I told you guys but he never confirmed his e-mail and didn't realize why he couldn't post and gave up. It was then later registered but now it is dormant. ID was TIMSTER

LMAO!
Hilarious.

Th^t is the guy the FANTASTIC FOUR movies have been entrusted to?!?

Hahahaha

Explains a lot.

 

[Kelly]

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[Malus]

LMAO!
Hilarious.
Th^t is the guy the FANTASTIC FOUR movies have been entrusted to?!?
Hahahaha
Explains a lot.

A cheap shot.

Frankly, I'm glad Story isn't wasting his time here. He probably lurked a bit, saw the ratio of intelligent posts to B.S. and wisely decided his time would be better spent on other things...like maybe directing this movie??

SSH is no more difficult to register on and navigate than My Space.
I think Tim was just being nice about it.

 

[Advanced Dark]

A cheap shot.

Frankly, I'm glad Story isn't wasting his time here. He probably lurked a bit, saw the ratio of intelligent posts to B.S. and wisely decided his time would be better spent on other things...like maybe directing this movie??

SSH is no more difficult to register on and navigate than My Space.
I think Tim was just being nice about it.

No he actually e-mailed me 3 times regarding it and was going back and forth between there and myspace and by the time I explained to him SHH bypassed the registration process for him...it was 12:00 AM and he said goodnight. He probably thought about it and found himself overwhelmed. He can still lurk without creating a profile. He created a profile and was in the thread I linked him to. You can go on anyones profile and see what they're doing even if their Private messaging someone it says that.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

A cheap shot.

No it's not. He's either unobservant, careless, stupid, a liar, or the person who put forth the excuse is a liar.
Can't think of any other options really.

But I agree in that I think he should avoid this place because of the collective I.Q.

Waaaay too many people on board that thought the first one was great and who thought the Thing's Godzilla suit looked "perfect" and that the rape of Doom was "regretable, but not too bad."

Stay far, far clear of this den of anti-Kirby types, Tim.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

Waaaay too many people on board that thought the first one was great and who thought the Thing's Godzilla suit looked "perfect" and that the rape of Doom was "regretable, but not too bad."

Stay far, far clear of this den of anti-Kirby types, Tim. [/quote]
Always refreshing to find a fan of "King" Kirby here, and not a supporter of that dissapointing film. I have said it before, and I'll say it again,"WHERE IS DOCTOR DOOM"?????
As far as I'm concerned, he's one of Marvel's "greatest" creations ever!!! (*I choose not to address him simply as "villian" being that he is so much more multi-dimentional than to be called just that*) So being a life-long fan (*and collector*) of The Lord Of Latveria, I awaited years for him to be brought to the theater with all the magnitude, scope, and pride that he deserves! I wanted to see the Doom that the brilliant/ creative minds of Lee, Kirby, and countless others after them had molded to greatness "finally" come to life before our astonished eyes upon the silver screen!! The noble and brooding monarch within his castle stronghold over the peasants which he commands! The "King" of an intellect with that above an Einstein! Clad in exo-skeleton armor, and his one and "only" super-power, "HIS MIND", he pushes on to his two greatest goals..
1) To rule the planet! (*only because he thinks he can do a better job of it. Read "Emperor Doom" graphic novel. He did*)
2) The ultimate destruction of the Fantastic Four.
Anyway, so look what was given us in contrast
to this great/"classic" Fantastic Four foe. We get Mr. Wall street, Donald Trump in a pair of pants and a trench coat.
We get a Doom with some extremely unwarranted lame voltage powers????
The Doom I know would have created those powers himself out of sheer brilliance!!!
Doom having a love affair with Sue?? Don't get me wrong here. Alba might very well be the greatest looking woman on the planet, but it only weakens Doom's character. Doom has no time for love. He has other ambitions and needs that come first. It's just not Doctor Doom!
The people behind these films just do not understand this character. (*and this means you, "AVI"!!*) The people out there who support this film haven't a clue about this character!!! Oh, and yes, "The Thing" could have looked a helluva lot better, to boot! "UGH"!!!

 

[terry78]

I think people are using this blog thing as an excuse to just be *******s as opposed to maturely giving him their opinion. I wouldn't take the ramblings of a pasty fanboy seriously either.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

NUFFSAID, It's so sad that they put the movie in the hands of people who didn't just naturally understand the character of Doom as you do, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

I'll say again, I never saw the end battle in the theaters because I had to run out of the theater in shock, almost as bad as if they'd been projecting kiddie porn on the screen, when that scrawny, subdued, effeminate voice came out from behind Doom's mask and said:

people jokingly say, "That movie was so bad it was criminal!" but really, the movie was a crime against Jack Kirby and anyone who understood what he was doing.

X 1,000,000

 

[Spider - Man]

NUFFSAID, It's so sad that they put the movie in the hands of people who didn't just naturally understand the character of Doom as you do, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

I'll say again, I never saw the end battle in the theaters because I had to run out of the theater in shock, almost as bad as if they'd been projecting kiddie porn on the screen, when that scrawny, subdued, effeminate voice came out from behind Doom's mask and said:

people jokingly say, "That movie was so bad it was criminal!" but really, the movie was a crime against Jack Kirby and anyone who understood what he was doing.

X 1,000,000

Well, then you should've stuck around cuz if you thought his voice was inappropriate saying "Marco polo" you would've LOVED to hear his voice when he uttered the menacing "This...is gonna be FUN!"

 

[Joe Rockhead]

I'm not too concerned with Story's treatment of Dr. Doom as I believe it really wasn't his choice to portray him in that context.

The movie script that incorporated Doom into the origin of the FF was the major misstep.

Wilhelm and NUFFSAID want the Doom from the comics... perfectly reasonable and understandable. But the Doom from the comics was a villain at his introduction. There was no backstory to him beyond being an arrogant former classmate of Reed and Ben who gets injured in a lab accident that sets him on the path to seek power and revenge.

Later on he's established as a former gypsy/freedom fighter to eventual monarch of Latveria.

Inserting him into the FF's origin forced the rewriting of his backstory. Story didn't write that... he was given that. He was given the corporate rival of Reed, he was given the romantic entanglement with Sue, he was given the cosmic ray transformation of Doom.

I think Story did a decent job of presenting THAT version of Doom... but it's certainly not the version of Doom that many, including myself, wanted.

Story at least deserves a shot at some sort of redemption.

Doom's character is still salvageable... just strip him of his powers, make him ruler of Latveria, abandon all references to him and Sue as a couple, and give him a proper suit of armor that alters his voice to sound more menacing.

 

[InVictus]

The problem, with all us Doom purist, is that even if they force that abomination to become the Monarch of Latveria we all know (and ironically, at this point strippping away his powers, metal skin, making him more intelligent, and putting him in a &%$£§ armour, will take more screen time that a proper more faithful introduction could have needed in the first movie.... this is really sad), the word "sequel" means that the stories of the two movies are part of the same continuum, so no, he's not salvageable, he's lost, ruined, unless in the sequel we are told he was a malfunctioning doombot, clone, alternate reality or Scarlet Witch fault ^^;

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

give him a proper suit of armor that alters his voice to sound more menacing.

His voice was inexcusable.

When Ben's body permanently changed to "rock", his voice was effected also (his voice became more gravelly and deep, since the change occurred in his vocal chords also).

So especially with this new Doom who was mutating (instead of a scarred human in armor), as his body became more metallic, his voice should've changed as well, just like Ben's did.

What were they freaking thinking?

 

[Joe Rockhead]

The problem, with all us Doom purist, is that even if they force that abomination to become the Monarch of Latveria we all know (and ironically, at this point strippping away his powers, metal skin, making him more intelligent, and putting him in a &%$£§ armour, will take more screen time that a proper more faithful introduction could have needed in the first movie.... this is really sad), the word "sequel" means that the stories of the two movies are part of the same continuum, so no, he's not salvageable, he's lost, ruined, unless in the sequel we are told he was a malfunctioning doombot, clone, alternate reality or Scarlet Witch fault ^^;

That would work for me... though it would probably come across as cheesy to your average moviegoer.

But barring that... an appearance of the one, true Dr. Doom can be achieved with just a quick flashback scene with hints about what occurred... you don't have to show every minute detail.

You have to remember... just because his comics backstory in Latveria was never shown... it doesn't mean it didn't happen in the movie continuity. And although he's been the ruler of Latveria for well over 40 years... he didn't hold that title in the comics first couple of years.

 

[Malus]

I'm not too concerned with Story's treatment of Dr. Doom as I believe it really wasn't his choice to portray him in that context.

The movie script that incorporated Doom into the origin of the FF was the major misstep.

Wilhelm and NUFFSAID want the Doom from the comics... perfectly reasonable and understandable. But the Doom from the comics was a villain at his introduction. There was no backstory to him beyond being an arrogant former classmate of Reed and Ben who gets injured in a lab accident that sets him on the path to seek power and revenge.

Later on he's established as a former gypsy/freedom fighter to eventual monarch of Latveria.

Inserting him into the FF's origin forced the rewriting of his backstory. Story didn't write that... he was given that. He was given the corporate rival of Reed, he was given the romantic entanglement with Sue, he was given the cosmic ray transformation of Doom.

I think Story did a decent job of presenting THAT version of Doom... but it's certainly not the version of Doom that many, including myself, wanted.

Story at least deserves a shot at some sort of redemption.

Doom's character is still salvageable... just strip him of his powers, make him ruler of Latveria, abandon all references to him and Sue as a couple, and give him a proper suit of armor that alters his voice to sound more menacing.

Right on the nose.
As for the "Doom purists" for whom he is "ruined forever," and "beyond salvage"..Come on. They're not gonna start over, not for decades if they did, so try to give Story and company a chance here to right the wrongs of the first film.
If they'll just bring enough major changes into play, we may see a Dr. Doom that is much, much closer to the comics version. And this is certainly the only closest version we're likely to get in this generation.

Here's my thought: In the first film, they do establish that Doom & Reed were college rivals, at least that was there, so if they'll establish that the accident was the result of Doom "fine-tuning" Reed's mission plan, then boom: Doom is the cause of his own disfigurement, just like in the comic.
And of course he'll continue to blame it on Reed. He was blaming him in the first movie already; if they show that Doom was culpable (so easily done: Reed reviews the mission data and discovers the evidence) and we see him blaming Reed anyway, that's a lot closer to the comic book Doom that we know,
The metallic skin can be eliminated (and I assume it is being eliminated) just by having Doom revert to his human form upon his being revived. Human again, but still terribly disfigured. There you go.

We saw him shipped off the Latveria, so it's reasonable that he could have been seizing power the past few years. Again, there you go.

And of course, deepen the voice. (Dear GOD, make them deepen his voice.)

It still won't be 100% faithful to the comic book Doom, but I think most hardcore ones (myself included) will be somewhat satisfied. I know I'll be downright thrilled after what we got in the first movie.

The important thing is that we get a truer Dr. Doom this time.
And I think that's still somewhat possible.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

NUFFSAID, It's so sad that they put the movie in the hands of people who didn't just naturally understand the character of Doom as you do, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

I'll say again, I never saw the end battle in the theaters because I had to run out of the theater in shock, almost as bad as if they'd been projecting kiddie porn on the screen, when that scrawny, subdued, effeminate voice came out from behind Doom's mask and said:

people jokingly say, "That movie was so bad it was criminal!" but really, the movie was a crime against Jack Kirby and anyone who understood what he was doing.

X 1,000,000

"MARCO-POLO"?? They actually had Doom utter a ridiculous line like that?? And yet you will never hear the term "dolt" or "lackey" coming out of the iron mask, or "Doom" referring to himself as the third person. (*I call it "Doom lingo*) Anway..
Thanks for the complement concerning my Doom post. Other posts have implied that Story & company might be able to slavage our beloved monarch in the next installment. I say thee nay! Actually at this point I wish they'd simply leave poor "Van Dahm" Doom alone and simply move on to other characters. What's done is done.
Why not do a Sub-Mariner storyline in the next FF flick? Namor's always dug Sue. Now there's a love triangle story I could understand better. Anyways, keep the faith Wilhelm.

 

[GhostPoet]

This movie is not for purest. Why? Because not everything that you read in the comics and envision in your head will look as good in "real life".

 

[Malus]

Other posts have implied that Story & company might be able to slavage our beloved monarch in the next installment. I say thee nay! Actually at this point I wish they'd simply leave poor "Van Dahm" Doom alone and simply move on to other characters. What's done is done.[/quote]

Dr. Doom is going to be a part of these movies, in much the same way that Magneto has played a part in each X-Men film.
I don't see them leaving him completely out of an installment unless this franchise goes beyond FFIII.

The only constructive thing fans can do is talk up the importance of bringing the character as close to "full-on Doom" as possible.