BvS 'R' Rated Ultimate Cut B v S : DoJ - necessary / fad or something in between ?

[Vincanws]

I should mention that extended / alternate cuts are not always 'better'. I personally didn't think the 'Rogue Cut' of Days of Future's Past was better mainly because of a few of the added scenes were a bit stupid and rightly removed from the final movie. But interesting to be able to see nonetheless..

 

[MurkeNyou]

How is this a "Fad", we have had unrated and directors cuts released for decades now? I swear people are really reaching for complaints about this film.

 

[souperman]

Too true.

Did you see the ultimate Godfather epic on TV?
Cut together with deleted scenes and in cryonlogical order?

Just Awful. Unwatchable.

More scenes can go either way.
I am looking forward to seeing both versions.

 

[rogbngp]

Too true.

Did you see the ultimate Godfather epic on TV?
Cut together with deleted scenes and in cryonlogical order?

Just Awful. Unwatchable.

More scenes can go either way.
I am looking forward to seeing both versions.

I totally disagree! I actually loved that version. I found it fascinating to see all the content assembled and interwoven that way. I won't say that it was 'better' than watching the two films separately. But I actually enjoyed it a lot for giving me a different experience of the saga (sans Godfather III).

Just pointing out that individual tastes are going to vary on something like this.

Edit: I'm talking about The Godfather 1902–1959: The Complete Epic released on NBC in four parts during the early to mid 80s.

 

[Matt]

How is this a "Fad", we have had unrated and directors cuts released for decades now? I swear people are really reaching for complaints about this film.

I think the "fad" he is referring to is the way that almost every action movie these days, the director talks (either in advance or after), about his R-rated cut, which the studio hacked down to appease the PG-13 crowd, at the expense of the movie. Usually it doesn't turn out to be true. A few extra scenes of gore, swearing, and boobs seldom save a bad movie.

 

[spiderman2]

I don't think it is a fad or that it is necessary, but I do think it is cool and not because of it being R but because I think it is nice to get a longer cut of any movie because it is nice to know what was or wasn't cut in a movie. Knowing about this if I end up liking the movie enough to where I want to get the movie I may want for this version to come out because I don't like having to rebuy movies.

 

[The Guard]

Need?

 

[kguillou]

I think it was unnecessary to announce it 'now' before the movie's even out in theatres. People like myself could be going in thinking there's a more substantial version of the movie sitting on the shelf and could feel short-changed, even though that's stupid and there's 'always' a chance of an alternate version of a movie seeing release down the line.

It's not quite like it'll make me not want to go see it, and the R-rated version definitely should exist for those who want it, but the timing is off and unnecessary. Having an R-rated version is definitely fine, especially if it adds something to an already decent movie. People could come to prefer it, or not etc.

I actually agree with this. I think thye could have waited until after the movie to announce this. I mean, honestly, it doesn't make a difference, but it would've been nice to watch the theatrical film, soak it in and then get hit with this announcement "Hey guys, you loved BVS and we've got MORE in store for you later this year!"

 

[WitchTrialz]

I actually agree with this. I think thye could have waited until after the movie to announce this. I mean, honestly, it doesn't make a difference, but it would've been nice to watch the theatrical film, soak it in and then get hit with this announcement "Hey guys, you loved BVS and we've got MORE in store for you later this year!"

It does kinda suck. The thought of waiting months and months more to see the FULL movie.

 

[SlamAdams]

How is this a "Fad", we have had unrated and directors cuts released for decades now? I swear people are really reaching for complaints about this film.

Well, the reason they are usually unrated is because DVD's don't have to be rated, not because they are too crazy to be rated. If its truly an "R-rated" cut than they are getting it rated simply to get traction out of calling it R-rated. That sort of makes it seem like it is a fad. Otherwise, ratings are pretty trivial, much more trivial then the way they are treated like some kind of judgement of maturity or quality.

 

[Dninx64]

It does kinda suck. The thought of waiting months and months more to see the FULL movie.

Compared to the wait for BvS theatrical release, waiting for this will be easy

 

[storyteller]

I think they announced it clearly because of Deadpool but we would have saw this thing anyway as the Unrrated /ultimate/war/whatever edition.

What I do think might be wise for both DC and Marvel is to use extended cuts as their bigger picture films. Like if you want to link to Justice League/ Avengers, put them in these editions and let your main films stand on their own.

 

[souperman]

I totally disagree! I actually loved that version. I found it fascinating to see all the content assembled and interwoven that way. I won't say that it was 'better' than watching the two films separately. But I actually enjoyed it a lot for giving me a different experience of the saga (sans Godfather III).

Just pointing out that individual tastes are going to vary on something like this.

Edit: I'm talking about The Godfather 1902–1959: The Complete Epic released on NBC in four parts during the early to mid 80s.

I was referring to a more recent version that included extended scenes that were not well acted and you could understand why they were left out.

http://www.avclub.com/article/special-7-hour-chronological-cut-godfather-now-hbo-231136

The older one you are referring to was very good.

This 7hr version stinks with a capital PU !

 

[SiegePerilous]

To me, it is silly (and a further reflection that Snyder's tone as a filmmaker is wrong for Superman, this film and JLA) that this movie even delved into territory that would meet the criteria of R-ratings. It says to me that Snyder does not get the characters or the tone needed and we can expect yet another movie (like MOS) of over-the-top destruction porn, overly bleak settings, and characterization written by writers and a director that just does not understand who these characters are.

Most Batman comics are really violent, especially the modern ones, and if translated directly to live action would probably warrant an R-rating. "A Serious House on Seriopus Earth" being the big one, not to mention the over the top beatings Batman dishes out to thugs.

That's not getting into Wonder Woman, who is entrenched in Greek mythology and all the crazy stuff that that entails. She's blinded herself with snake venom and decapitated Medusa on live television. Her stories deal with such topics as rape and teen suicide. One version of the Cheetah is forced into cannibalism as part of her ritual to transform, and Dr. Psycho is a rapist in every sense of the word.

One of the most famous Superman stories is about him and Doomsday beating each other to death.

A dark serious tone and the violence that goes along with it (that Superman may not even have anything to do with) is hardly sacrilegious to these characters. Rating it R is just cutting the "comics are for kids!!" BS that the company tries to sell us at times.

 

[Dninx64]

Watch the scene that gave this cut Rated R not even be that big of a deal

 

[Greens]

I think it was unnecessary to announce it 'now' before the movie's even out in theatres. People like myself could be going in thinking there's a more substantial version of the movie sitting on the shelf and could feel short-changed, even though that's stupid and there's 'always' a chance of an alternate version of a movie seeing release down the line.

It's not quite like it'll make me not want to go see it, and the R-rated version definitely should exist for those who want it, but the timing is off and unnecessary. Having an R-rated version is definitely fine, especially if it adds something to an already decent movie. People could come to prefer it, or not etc.

WB didn't announce anything. The MPAA released it. Snyder and co. rolled with it because it's in the public conscience now.

 

[Verick808]

To me, it is silly (and a further reflection that Snyder's tone as a filmmaker is wrong for Superman, this film and JLA) that this movie even delved into territory that would meet the criteria of R-ratings. It says to me that Snyder does not get the characters or the tone needed and we can expect yet another movie (like MOS) of over-the-top destruction porn, overly bleak settings, and characterization written by writers and a director that just does not understand who these characters are.

The Avengers had to be cut in order to receive a PG-13. Using the fact that BvS had to be cut to receive pg-13 to dump on the film and it's director is ridiculous.

 

[souperman]

To me, it is silly (and a further reflection that Snyder's tone as a filmmaker is wrong for Superman, this film and JLA) that this movie even delved into territory that would meet the criteria of R-ratings. It says to me that Snyder does not get the characters or the tone needed and we can expect yet another movie (like MOS) of over-the-top destruction porn, overly bleak settings, and characterization written by writers and a director that just does not understand who these characters are.

I may be reading you wrong, but it sounds like you don't like the direction taken in MOS, BvS and maybe SS ? Are you more of a STM/Chris Reeve fan?

If so, nothing wrong with that. I loved STM and Chris Reeve...even SR. Suited the times, but I was ready for a change. I agree with Snyder's point that most of us...me included were "used to" the cinematic versions (film and TV) of Superman and his morals, ethics, powers and depiction. He chose to go back and reexamine the comics and find versions that were a bit more relevant for today's market and appetite.

Sure, there's destruction and mayhem, but there are also lessons and morals. It is a louder time and people like to see "spectacle" as in Fury Road.

I for one like what I see in MOS and BvS as a grounded more "realistic" interpretation of a modern Superman... but I still have a special place in my heart for Reeves and Reeve.

I think there is room for all of these versions as entertainment...as long as they are done with quality.

In 20 years they will no doubt reboot Superman for a new generation...who knows what we will see?

 

[Marvolo]

To me, it is silly (and a further reflection that Snyder's tone as a filmmaker is wrong for Superman, this film and JLA) that this movie even delved into territory that would meet the criteria of R-ratings. It says to me that Snyder does not get the characters or the tone needed and we can expect yet another movie (like MOS) of over-the-top destruction porn, overly bleak settings, and characterization written by writers and a director that just does not understand who these characters are.

Snyder gets this material just fine. The Dark Knight Returns is heavy material, and even in the comic and cartoon the fight is intense as hell. I don't know how anyone can look at the Dark Knight Returns and not expect it to either push the limits of PG-13 or tip into R territory in live action form.

Superman in film now exists within the world of Batman and like it or not Batman has some intense dark material. And Superman has his fair share of intense material too.

And the MPAA has always been touchy about intense or prolonged violence. Whether it has blood or not.

And really there was nothing "over the top" about MOS's destruction. An alien warlord came to earth, parked his destructive space ship in the middle of a massive city, and tried to terraform the planet. And the military got involved and two god like beings dukes it out. What I saw in the film and the level of destruction is pretty much what I would expect from a situation like that.

 

[Guts]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-v-superman-married-creative-874799?utm_source=twitter
What was the mindset behind the film being PG-13 in theaters but R-rated on DVD?

DEB Online, everyone's like, "Oh, they're doing an R-rated in reaction to Deadpool," and you're like (laughing), "We didn't just shoot it last week, and we also didn't edit it last week."

ZACK The why of that is [the DVD version] is a half-hour longer, and some of that additional material is some of the stuff we took out for the rating. I was like, "Cool, I can put it back in for the director's cut." There was nothing by design. This was the material I just put back in, and then when [the MPAA] looked at it again, they were like, "Oh, now the movie's rated R." And, by the way, it's not a hard R. There's no nudity. There's a little bit of violence. It just tips the scale.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think its the "anti-MOS/Snyder" crowd who thinks "he doesn't get Superman" because they just don't like his take on the character is where most of this overreaction to the R-rated bluray directors cut is coming from. I can understand why certain fans are not on board with this DC movie universe but can you stop acting like the very idea of this alternate cut of the movie is the worst thing ever? Because its not.

 

[kguillou]

I am so so so excited about this cut! 30 mina longer! That is EPIC length.

 

[WitchTrialz]

I am so so so excited about this cut! 30 mina longer! That is EPIC length.

Can't wait for the superman Jammie's and the bat snacks! It's gonna be good

 

[rogbngp]

I was at Best Buy today trying to find an extended cut blu ray of Sucker Punch (I've never seen it, curious), and I noticed that 4K blu rays are beginning to appear, although I suspect that they are simply upscaled versus true 4K. Not sure if they even have true 4k blu ray players on the market yet...

Anyway, I'm looking forward to MoS and BvS on true 4K one day. The BvS 'Ultimate' cut of course.

I wish Snyder had released a directors cut of Man of Steel. :-\

 

[craigaat]

So it's going to be 3 hours long? I don't have time for that!