racism in hollywood - and how far it has come.

[Clark-Kent]

Jennifer was giving the keys too and to be honest I haven't seen anything special in her acting. I mean she was so average in Playbooks. I guess it's all about luck.

True

 

[MadVillainy]

Or the obvious choice - Lupita N'yongo. She just won the Oscar a year ago...

Yeah, I do find it a little unsettling that the Lupita train has kinda died down so quickly. Yeah, she's in Star Wars but most people probably won't even know it. The last thing I saw her in was ****ing Sesame Street.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I follow her on Instagram and she seems to have a lot of plays and modelling stuff so I figured that I might be selective roles...that a the lack in general of good roles for women of color

How many oscar winners though, especially women, went on to have some outstanding careers? It seems to me that for many actors, once they do get that oscar, they never seem to really live up to the hype there after.

This is true in general too. Yeah winning an Oscar is great, but it's hard to follow it up.

Imo Firth (who won in '10) hadnt been in anything worth mentioning until Kinsgmen. Jean Dujardin, other than Wolf of Wall Street, has been rather meh but that might be because he's foreign. I dont know how he does overseas. And then you have guys like Forest Whitaker and Jamie Foxx although they might be on the upswing with Rogue One and that MIke Tyson biopic.

Jennifer was giving the keys too and to be honest I haven't seen anything special in her acting. I mean she was so average in Playbooks. I guess it's all about luck.

Well you have to see that just because you think she was average doesnt mean it's neccessarily true. The vast majority of people think she's a really good actress.

I thought she was good in SLP but it didnt WOW me. She's never really WOWED me. Not saying she's bad, I just have never been impressed. But Im wondering if that's also that, for me, save for Winter's Bone she always plays annoying characters.
I would say the same for Scarlett Johannsen. But more with Lawrence Im just tired of how people act like she's a godsend for every little thing she does "She eats Cheetos> OMG she's the greatest"
"She tripped. Holy f*** sh'es adorable"

It's just corny to me
On the subject, but generally off topic about Hollywood racism: I dont get Amy Schumer either or why people seem to kiss the ground she walks on

Emily Blunt I think should be getting the "keys" as it were. If I had to choose one actress. Lupita as I mentioned too. Anne Hathaway kinda had them for a bit, but she seems to be slowing down a little, but I still think she's great

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

While Hollywood is still white-centric. Black representation has gotten better, there are far far more black leads, friends of leads and supporting characters than oriental and middle-eastern placed in such roles.

When racism in Hollywood is brought up people instantly think African Americans more than other races and there's even the token black trope and that shows that blacks have more presence than anything other skin colour next to white. Which arent even an afterthought

 

[terry78]

I think because we're like the only minority that doesn't really do it up on their own as Asians and Latinos do. Their respective home countries are chock full of their own shows. Asian and Latino people here in the states, even if they were born here, are more multilingual like that than black folks, so to speak.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

That's a good point

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

for anyone who watches aziz ansari's netflix series, episode 4 is the pinnacle of what I was talking about in the OP.

 

[chamber-music]

On the Hollywood Reporter actors roundtable Benicio Del Toro and Will Smith said they still encounter racism.

Benicio said when he started out people told him to change his name. Essentially do what Oscar Isaac did.

On the producers roundtable Ice Cube said his biggest struggle is getting studios to promote his movies over seas. The most frequent thing he is told is black movies don't travel. Cube asked in response if the studio is promoting the movie and they say no. It is essentially a self for filling prophecy.

I think African American films can be popular globally if they aren't too niche in regards to certain aspects of African American culture.


Selma, Ride Along and Straight Outta Compton did very well in the UK.

 

[Sundancer]

J-Law is the only one really reaping benefits. A lot of actresses right now in the game who are good, people probably know their face but couldn't rattle off a name if you paid them, sans Lawrence.

Meryl Streep has done quite well.

 

[Galactus10]

Well The Hollywood Reporter really stepped in it with today's cover story...

How can you have a legitimate conversation about pay disparities in Hollywood and not have any women of color involved in the discussion. These women may make less than their white-male counterparts but African-American, Hispanic, Asian, Native American etc. all make significantly less than these women.

Their follow-up article on why there weren't any woman of color on the cover was BS as well. "There are no women of color in the running for the Oscars so that's why we purposefully left them out." There not being any WoC contenders and pay disparities amongst Hollywood are two completely different subjects....

THR, maybe you keep perpetuating the problem with crap like this? You're telling me people like Viola Davis, Angela Bassett, Halle Berry, Lupita N'yongo, Lucy Liu, Rinko Kikuchi, Michelle Rodriguez, Jennifer Lopez, Gina Rodriguez, Freida Pinto or Priyanka Chopra wouldn't have added any valuable insight into this topic?

Sheesh.

Nah dawg. It's because the women on the cover are powerhouses. As a viewer who doesn't care one way or another about race when it comes to talent, all the actresses you named as alternatives aren't very talented outside of Viola Davis, Angela Bassett and Lupita. N'yongo isn't experienced enough to be an ambassador to acting yet. She's very unproven to the point that while she's made an impression, it's hard for me to tell if she's actually a consistently good actress. Some of the women you typed up are straight garbage by my eyes. The unproven women on that cover like Larson are, as proven by this board, wanted by general audiences and hyped as the top crust of young actresses

Cate Blanchett and Kate Winslet are top tier of all time talents to me and as much as Angela Bassett can kill a role, she's not on their level. Mirren and Fonda aren't really all that good anymore but they've put in work.

I could never put Jennifer fcking Lopez, Michelle Williams, Lucy Liu and even Halle Berry in the same breathe as most of the girls on that cover, they're not legit talented to me compared to what Hollywood Reporter chose. A mix of generations and I think those actresses all represent the upper echelon of female thespians pretty well.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Angela Bassett in a great role in a long time and while Helen Mirren and Fonda esp haven't been killin the game lately, their legacy has been more fleshed out than Angela Bassett even though she's just as talented.

You wanting the actresses involved that you mentioned just reeks of inclusion for inclusion's sake.

Your list was mostly trash. Most of them aren't worthy to be up there with Kate, Cate, Hellen, etc. and it damn sure isn't because of race. It's because they're not as good at their craft.

Viola Davis is the only one you mentioned who appeals to me and is bona fide, waiting for more quality N'yongo roles, right now doing consistent work so the HR article would be written for an audience like me. I wouldn't even consider it legit if they tried to group some of those on the cover with J-Lo, Freida Pinto's weak screen presence, Michelle Butch Rodriguez or Halle Berry.

 

[TheCommissioner]

so Oscar winner Halle Berry, Oscar winner Lupita N'yongo, aren't good enough?

what?

you just made the point of this thread, so thanks for that

 

[Galactus10]

LOL you're welcome. I swear, people just look for reasons to complain and cry.


Yea Halle Berry is overall a pretty ****** actress. She had one critically acclaimed role. She's not a good thespian overall.

Lupita is unproven, she seemingly has talent but hasn't even had more than one notable role yet at all. She has that over Berry; she hasn't flat out sucked in multiple movies. Her resume is pretty bare at the time that the magazine was released.

To answer your question, yes. They aren't good enough. Berry will never be a good enough actress to share a cover with Cate and Kate. Lupita is too green. Carey Mulligan at least has multiple nuanced dramatic performances to her name

It's not racist to think that. That dude's list included some crappy talent

 

[hellified]

Nah dawg. It's because the women on the cover are powerhouses. As a viewer who doesn't care one way or another about race when it comes to talent, all the actresses you named as alternatives aren't very talented outside of Viola Davis, Angela Bassett and Lupita. N'yongo isn't experienced enough to be an ambassador to acting yet. She's very unproven to the point that while she's made an impression, it's hard for me to tell if she's actually a consistently good actress. Some of the women you typed up are straight garbage by my eyes. The unproven women on that cover like Larson are, as proven by this board, wanted by general audiences and hyped as the top crust of young actresses

Cate Blanchett and Kate Winslet are top tier of all time talents to me and as much as Angela Bassett can kill a role, she's not on their level. Mirren and Fonda aren't really all that good anymore but they've put in work.

I could never put Jennifer fcking Lopez, Michelle Williams, Lucy Liu and even Halle Berry in the same breathe as most of the girls on that cover, they're not legit talented to me compared to what Hollywood Reporter chose. A mix of generations and I think those actresses all represent the upper echelon of female thespians pretty well.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Angela Bassett in a great role in a long time and while Helen Mirren and Fonda esp haven't been killin the game lately, their legacy has been more fleshed out than Angela Bassett even though she's just as talented.

You wanting the actresses involved that you mentioned just reeks of inclusion for inclusion's sake.

Your list was mostly trash. Most of them aren't worthy to be up there with Kate, Cate, Hellen, etc. and it damn sure isn't because of race. It's because they're not as good at their craft.

Viola Davis is the only one you mentioned who appeals to me and is bona fide, waiting for more quality N'yongo roles, right now doing consistent work so the HR article would be written for an audience like me. I wouldn't even consider it legit if they tried to group some of those on the cover with J-Lo, Freida Pinto's weak screen presence, Michelle Butch Rodriguez or Halle Berry.

and how mny actresses who aren't white have the same opportunity to make the same impact as those on that cover???

 

[Galactus10]

That's true and I would agree with that. It's been pointed out for years.

The opportunities don't seem to be as prevalent for black, Hispanic, Asian actresses to create the kind of legacy that Streep, Mirren, Fonda, Blanchett, Winslet, etc. etc. etc. have made.

Surely there are 'ethnic' actresses out there with the same type of talent and training but what I was speaking to was that guy's problem that none of the (mostly crap) actresses he named weren't included in the segment.

The larger problem and discrepancy has been pointed out in Hollywood over the generations multiple times in this interesting thread. I raised my eyebrows with him taking issue with the homogenous nature of the cover and being outraged there was no forced Affirmative Action type play to include actresses of lesser caliber just because...

If somebody really thinks Michelle fckin Rodriguez and J-Lo should be included with the likes of Blanchett and Winslet just because they're a non-white representatives that have technically done the same profession as the ones I lauded , then it's pretty apparent to me what some people are more concerned with rather than holding up quality over some arbitrary inclusive nonsense.

 

[hellified]

That's true and I would agree with that. It's been pointed out for years.

The opportunities don't seem to be as prevalent for black, Hispanic, Asian actresses to create the kind of legacy that Streep, Mirren, Fonda, Blanchett, Winslet, etc. etc. etc. have made.

Surely there are 'ethnic' actresses out there with the same type of talent and training but what I was speaking to was that guy's problem that none of the (mostly crap) actresses he named weren't included in the segment.

The larger problem and discrepancy has been pointed out in Hollywood over the generations multiple times in this interesting thread. I raised my eyebrows with him taking issue with the homogenous nature of the cover and being outraged there was no forced Affirmative Action type play to include actresses of lesser caliber just because...

If somebody really thinks Michelle fckin Rodriguez and J-Lo should be included with the likes of Blanchett and Winslet just because they're a non-white representatives that have technically done the same profession as the ones I lauded , then it's pretty apparent to me what some people are more concerned with rather than holding up quality over some arbitrary inclusive nonsense.

maclkemore and iggy azalea have won awards and got major buzz...thats all I'm saying.

 

[Galactus10]

Pretty much everybody, Macklemore himself, conceded that he didn't deserve that Grammy over Kendrick Lamar.

Also, Iggy Azalea hasn't been doing nearly as much because too many people didn't like her having sustained success based on being a white Australian. She's somewhat been blackballed for the time being from working with a lot of people with pull in the industry.

The Iggy situation is more genuine regarding people's true feelings than some Grammy voters, who know nothing about hip hop, giving Macklemore an award probably because they recognized his more pop-centric music.

I get what you're saying but it doesn't prove a lot because the racial tendencies of both the film and music industry, specially the climate of hip-hop here, sadly are still very much littered with an exclusive element.

 

[Galactus10]

It's really one in the same.

White actresses getting more opportunities to lead based on a combo of talent and 'traditional beauty' , probable viewer screening scores and traditional anglo roles in Hollywood in general

and

Hip Hop / Rap culture not accepting much diversity in their realm for long that isn't black or represent street culture.

Eminem is obviously an exception because he tends to get respect from the majority of the hip hop community and has had strong staying power even though I personally haven't liked his music for years.

Hollywood and Hip-Hop are actually very similar in the sense that it seems the audience has limited the opportunities of the minority (high concentration of leading black roles or rappers that aren't black, versed in the streets) to break out and become major staples of their industry

 

[hellified]

yeah but your point is don't bring up michelle rodriguez and jlo and other actresses of color whose resume isn't as prestigious as the white ones when because of those limited oppotunities your NOT going to get the black version of meryl streep and the asian version of cate blanchett and latino helen mirren. Your just not..so the BEST those groups are going to produce is a Jennifer Lopez, Halle Berry, Lucy Liu etc.

If Jennifer Lawrence were black she'd have Lupita N'yongo career. She wouldn't be katniss and have a YA franchise, she wouldn't have played roles in winter's bones, or silver linings playbook or American Hustle, she wouldn't have leading roles booked out the wazoo going two or three years into the future.

Jennifer Lawrence 25 year old :
Actress (28 credits)

- 2016 Passengers (filming) Aurora
- 2016 X-Men: Apocalypse (post-production) Raven / Mystique
- It's What I Do (announced) Lynsey Addario
- Untitled Darren Aronofsky Project (announced)
- 2015/I Joy -Joy
- 2015 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 Katniss Everdeen
- 2014 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1

Lupita N'yongo 32 year old
Actress (8 credits)

- 2017 Star Wars: Episode VIII (filming) Maz Kanata
- 2016 The Jungle Book (post-production) Raksha (voice)
- 2016 Queen of Katwe (post-production) - Harriet Mutesi
- 2015 Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Maz Kanata
- 2014 Non-Stop - Gwen
- 2013 12 Years a Slave

 

[Galactus10]

Damn I had no idea Lupita was 32 years old, she seems early 20s. That's wild.

 

[BarryAllen]

On the Hollywood Reporter actors roundtable Benicio Del Toro and Will Smith said they still encounter racism.

Benicio said when he started out people told him to change his name. Essentially do what Oscar Isaac did.

On the producers roundtable Ice Cube said his biggest struggle is getting studios to promote his movies over seas. The most frequent thing he is told is black movies don't travel. Cube asked in response if the studio is promoting the movie and they say no. It is essentially a self for filling prophecy.

I think African American films can be popular globally too niche to certain aspects of African American culture.


Selma, Ride Along and Straight Outta Compton did very well in the UK.

Makes me wonder how Marvel's Black Panther will do. I think BP has some universiality in terms of character tropes and themes, so I think it can hold itself in international markets.

 

[Golgo-13]

Damn I had no idea Lupita was 32 years old, she seems early 20s. That's wild.

Black don't crack!

 

[chamber-music]

maclkemore and iggy azalea have won awards and got major buzz...thats all I'm saying.

Popularity doesn't always match talent.

Iggy Azalea has is one of the small number of female rappers to get a lot of media coverage in recent years which probably helped her career a ton.
in the streets) to break out and become major staples of their industry

Makes me wonder how Marvel's Black Panther will do. I think BP has some universiality in terms of character tropes and themes, so I think it can hold itself in international markets.

Black Panther has the Marvel Studios brand recognition and Disney marketing machine behind it. The film will do fine internationally.

 

[Galactus10]

Black don't crack!

It must not.


She looks amazingly young for her age.

Here I was thinking she wasn't far removed from being a teenager when she was at the Oscars for 12 Years a slave and she's only 8 years from being 40.

In that case, I hope the quality roles increase exponentially for her soon. Surely there's some good parts for her out there that don't involve mo-cap or voice work.

 

[hellified]

On the Hollywood Reporter actors roundtable Benicio Del Toro and Will Smith said they still encounter racism.

Benicio said when he started out people told him to change his name. Essentially do what Oscar Isaac did.

On the producers roundtable Ice Cube said his biggest struggle is getting studios to promote his movies over seas. The most frequent thing he is told is black movies don't travel. Cube asked in response if the studio is promoting the movie and they say no. It is essentially a self for filling prophecy.

I think African American films can be popular globally if they aren't too niche in regards to certain aspects of African American culture.


Selma, Ride Along and Straight Outta Compton did very well in the UK.

FROM THE SONY EMAIL HACK 2 YEARS AGO:
The producer who sent the e-mail to Sony Chairman Michael Lynton said he or she hoped the incredible statement wasn’t “inappropriate or provocative.” But the producer — whose name was erased from the emails — suggested Sony should avoid casting black actors to appeal to an international market that the producer deemed “racist.”

“No, I am not saying The Equalizer should not have been made or that African American actors should not have been used (I personally think Denzel is the best actor of his generation),” the producer wrote.

“Casting him is saying we’re ok with a double if the picture works,” the producer wrote, using a baseball analogy. “He’s reliable at the domestic [box office], safe, but has not had a huge success in years. I believe whenever possible the non event pictures, extra ‘bets’ should have a large inherent upside and be made for the right price. Here there isn’t a large inherent upside.”

Washington’s The Equalizer grossed $191 million at theaters worldwide, with 47% of the ticket sales coming from outside of the United States. Still, the e-mail chain suggested that the overseas box office percentage was not good enough. Other films should expect 65% of the sales abroad, the analysis said. The reason for the disparity? According to the producer, it was Washington’s race.

“I believe that the international motion picture audience is racist — in general pictures with an African American lead don’t play well overseas,” the producer wrote.

The international audience isn't rejecting black people, they are rejecting anything thats not WHITE...and how did that happen? why is the primary languages spoken in half of africa and parts of asia, european languages? Why is SPANISH the primary language of central and south america? How did that happen? Thru imperialism, colonialism and brute force. European/white hegemony has altered in some cases the very make up of those countries so much so that in some countries in africa skin bleaching/whitening creams are still sought out in the 21st century. There are people who reject their own native language and religion for catholicism or protestantism and a history that skews toward a european flavor. They don't hate blacks they hate THEMSELVES. But just as badly theyve been CONDITIONED to love anything thats European/white. Thats what really needs to be addressed.

Its a big factor in why Melissa McCarthy an overweight comedic actress can get oscar NOMINATED for supporting actress in Bridesmaids in 2011 then star in 7 films that get played world wide.

Ghostbusters 2016
The Boss 2016
Spy 2015
St. Vincent 2014
Tammy 2014
The Heat 2013/I
Identity Thief 2013
Bridesmaids 2011

meanwhile Monique an overweight comedic actress WINS...

Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress
BAFTA Award for Best Actress in a Supporting Role
Boston Society of Film Critics Award for Best Supporting Actress
Broadcast Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
Central Ohio Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
Chicago Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
Denver Film Critics Society Award for Best Supporting Actress
Detroit Film Critics Society Award for Best Supporting Actress
Florida Film Critics Circle Award for Best Supporting Actress
Golden Globe Award for Best Supporting Actress - Motion Picture
Independent Spirit Award for Best Supporting Female
Indiana Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
International Online Film Critics' Poll Award for Best Supporting Actress
Iowa Film Critics Award for Best Supporting Actress
Kansas City Film Critics Circle Award for Best Supporting Actress
Las Vegas Film Critics Society Award for Best Supporting Actress
London Film Critics Circle Award for Actress of the Year
Los Angeles Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
National Society of Film Critics Award for Best Supporting Actress
New York Film Critics Circle Award for Best Supporting Actress
New York Film Critics Online Award for Best Supporting Actress
Online Film Critics Society Award for Best Supporting Actress
Oklahoma Film Critics Circle Award for Best Supporting Actress
Phoenix Film Critics Society Award for Best Supporting Actress
San Francisco Film Critics Circle Award for Best Supporting Actress
Satellite Award for Best Supporting Actress - Motion Picture
Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role
Southeastern Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
St. Louis Gateway Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
Stockholm Film Festival Award for Best Actress
Sundance Film Festival Special Jury Prize for Acting
Utah Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress
Village Voice Film Poll – Best Supporting Actress
Washington DC Area Film Critics Association Award for Best Supporting Actress

...for Precious in 2010 and gets NOTHING by way of international star film roles after it..

A Meyers Christmas (filming) 2016
Interwoven 2015
Bessie (TV Movie) 2015
Blackbird 2014/IV
Steppin: The Movie 2009
Precious 2009

same for

Octavia Bulter best supporting actress 2011

Jennifer Hudson best supporting actress 2006

Lupita N'yongo best supporting actress 2013