The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rate the NEW ASM2 costume!!! - Part 1

[JOE]

I call Webb a "Yes man" for many reasons and the costume is one of them.

It's actually hilarious that they completely overhauled the TASM costume just to end up back at square one, emulating perfectly (aside from bigger eyes ) the series they tried so hard (with little success) to distance themselves from.

Describe "with little success". TASM was very successful in distancing itself from Raimi's Spider-Man.

 

[Vid Electricz]

He changed the entire costume. Not "one thing".

Listening to what the fans want doesn't make him a "yes man", it just makes him a good director.

Right. So by that logic, Nolan, who doesn't listen to the fans (for good reason-they are fickle and ridiculous) is not a good director, but Webb, who will compromise his vision (if he ever had one) to appeal to the fanbois (who again- don't know what they want) is a good director?

 

[DX]

Describe "with little success". TASM was very successful in distancing itself from Raimi's Spider-Man.

Then, why are people still comparing the two?

 

[Vid Electricz]

Describe "with little success". TASM was very successful in distancing itself from Raimi's Spider-Man.

Ha. Just like Batman and Robin was very successful at distancing itself from the Burton films (harsh example, sorry). Just because it's "different" doesn't guarantee a favorable result.

Meaning they waaaay went out of their way to differentiate themseleves from the original series by changing things unnecessarily (Ben's death, no wrestling) while adding new elements (Oscorp as a shadowy, evil conglomeration, Peter's parents) that ultimately did nothing for the story.

For all it's changes, TASM was a lukewarm, pieced together movie.

Edit: If TASM did such a good job sitancing itself, why are they right back in bed with the original series, copying the Raimi suit almost to a tee?

 

[Neno_Kos]

Then, why are people still comparing the two?

maybe because they are Spider-Man movies, NOT!

 

[JOE]

Right. So by that logic, Nolan, who doesn't listen to the fans (for good reason-they are fickle and ridiculous) is not a good director, but Webb, who will compromise his vision (if he ever had one) to appeal to the fanbois (who again- don't know what they want) is a good director?

I said listening to the fans makes him a good director because you called it being a "yes man". That's not to say that not listening makes him a bad one, don't put words in my mouth.

Quit drinking Webb flavored Haterade. Webb's vision is over 4 movies, criticize his directing once you've seen everything on the table.

 

[SpideyFan866]

So in order to "improve" the costume, it must look like the Raimi costume? Is the Raimi costume the zenith of perfection?

I'm not getting this "logic"...

Sigh...... It doesn't look the Raimi costume and it is not ripping it off other than the hexagonal pattern on the red. And Marc and the Costume designer admitted that was a nod to the Raimi suit.

The presence raised webbing is not a fair comparison because the webs can really only be raised if you want them to look good in live action.

At least Marc made the effort to have them be black and significantly less thick that Raimi's silver webbing, which came off gaudy.

Also, if you look at the contours and how certain parts of the red sections look on the body, as well as the web pattern and spider symbols themselves, they are VERY different, thought still similar.

Think how the comics has different writers draw the suit differently.

Yeah, the suit has those similarities to the Raimi suit, but because they are based on the SAME SOURCE MATERIAL, the similarity is inevitable. But is still similar.

So get off it.

P.S. How can you blame Webb for doing something the VAST majority of fans DEMANDED.

 

[AF3619]

Then, why are people still comparing the two?

i agree Webb had a lot of similar moments to Raimi´s , but see MoS people compare it to Donner´s and Batman reboot will be compared to TDK trilogy as maybe it was compared to Batman (1989)

 

[JOE]

Have you ever thought that maybe Webb isn't trying to get it close to Raimi's Spider-Man, but close to the comics? Nah, that'd be too crazy man...

 

[SpeterMan3]

They're both completely ripping off the comics.

 

[AF3619]

Have you ever thought that maybe Webb isn't trying to get it close to Raimi's Spider-Man, but close to the comics? Nah, that'd be too crazy man...

yeah, but one thing that bothered me is why did Uncle Ben´s death was in the streets of New York and not his home?

 

[JOE]

yeah, but one thing that bothered me is why did Uncle Ben´s death was in the streets of New York and not his home?

For the same reason he got bit on the neck, change is good.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I said listening to the fans makes him a good director because you called it being a "yes man". That's not to say that not listening makes him a bad one, don't put words in my mouth.

Quit drinking Webb flavored Haterade. Webb's vision is over 4 movies, criticize his directing once you've seen everything on the table.

I am sorry my friend, I didn't put any words in your mouth. In the EW feature, Arad noted that "We listened to the fans" (Whatever that means), concerning the costume changes. Arad, being the producer tells Webb to change the costume (because this equals dollar signs in Arad's beady little eyes), so Webb does it.

I guess we're expected to believe it was his creative vision to copy the Raimi suit all along, right?

"Webb flavored Haterade"? lololol. Can I ask tell you to stop being a "Webb apologist"? No, because that would be dumb. Besides, it's practically a Webb praise board around here. I'm not allowed to have an (informed) dissenting opinion? riiiiight...

I have to wait until 2020 when TASM4 comes out to evaluate his work? lol!!! Where do you guys come from? No. I will evaluate each film as they come. TASM came out, it was below average and TASM2 (no matter how good or bad it is) is not going to change that.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Have you ever thought that maybe Webb isn't trying to get it close to Raimi's Spider-Man, but close to the comics? Nah, that'd be too crazy man...

Because the suit from the comics had the very distinct brick pattern and raised webbing. Riiiiiight. Straight from the comics.

 

[AF3619]

For the same reason he got bit on the neck, change is good.

no i mean the death of Uncle Ben was in both movies in the streets of new york and i remember that in the cartoons and the ultimate comics he dies at their home....

getting back to the suit, even if it looks like Raimi the blue fabric at least is still like TASM´s and ,seriously how can you make a costume more faithful than what Raimi did (except his eyes) and now the raised webbing looks better too i mean is black and it looks more like puffpaint than plastic sticked to the suit

 

[JOE]

I am sorry my friend, I didn't put any words in your mouth. In the EW feature, Arad noted that "We listened to the fans" (Whatever that means), concerning the costume changes. Arad, being the producer tells Webb to change the costume (because this equals dollar signs in Arad's beady little eyes), so Webb does it.

When Webb changes the costume for the fans, it's a copout. When Nolan doesn't change the costume, he's considered stern and a God.

We have ourselves a Negative Nelly.

 

[JOE]

no i mean the death of Uncle Ben was in both movies in the streets of new york and i remember that in the cartoons and the ultimate comics he dies at their home....

getting back to the suit, even if it looks like Raimi the blue fabric at least is still like TASM´s and ,seriously how can you make a costume more faithful than what Raimi did (except his eyes) and now the raised webbing looks better too i mean is black and it looks more like puffpaint than plastic sticked to the suit

Dying in the street is so generic. They were completely different deaths. That's like saying Spidey was swinging in the streets, so it's the same as Raimi's.

 

[The Infernal]

I said listening to the fans makes him a good director because you called it being a "yes man". That's not to say that not listening makes him a bad one, don't put words in my mouth.

Quit drinking Webb flavored Haterade. Webb's vision is over 4 movies, criticize his directing once you've seen everything on the table.

While I think Vid's hate on Webb is fairly irrational, I also think that saying we can't criticise Webb until all four films are out is similarly irrational. That would be like writing Webb a blank cheque. We have every right to criticise each movie individually (there's nothing stopping us from looking at the entire series once it is finished either).

 

[AF3619]

Because the suit from the comics had the very distinct brick pattern and raised webbing. Riiiiiight. Straight from the comics.

you have to admit that the raised webbing looks better and it actually looks like puff paint imho than plastic glued to the fabric and the reason for the brick pattern is because the red fabric on the blue fabric (that already has the brick pattern) is making that effect

Spoiler

 

[JOE]

Because the suit from the comics had the very distinct brick pattern and raised webbing. Riiiiiight. Straight from the comics.

Are you serious? That's the best you got? Someone is nitpicking...

 

[FN Spider-man]

I love this suit alot TASM and This one is my favorite

 

[SpeterMan3]

I will evaluate each film as they come. TASM came out, it was below average and TASM2 (no matter how good or bad it is) is not going to change that.

Just my random input on this. With how TASM was really like a set-up for the rest of the series, seeing the sequel could possibly cause you (specifically you, or "you" in general) to appreciate the first more. I say this because, even though I'm one of the few who likes SM3, flaws and all, I really appreciated it more as an end cap to the series when I watched all the three together one day. Each one is an individual work that should be able to stand alone, true. But They are also puzzle pieces that probably shouldn't be viewed much as wholes as they are parts, especially with Webb's franchise.

I get the feeling that you don't like Webb's movies largely being what we (or I) assume to be pieces rather than wholes. That's perfectly fine. I'm not really trying to fully enter the debate. I just wanted to give my two cents. Keep the change.

 

[JOE]

While I think Vid's hate on Webb is fairly irrational, I also think that saying we can't criticise Webb until all four films are out is similarly irrational. That would be like writing Webb a blank cheque. We have every right to criticise each movie individually (there's nothing stopping us from looking at the entire series once it is finished either).

What's irrational is that a lot of the hate for Webb's Spider-Man is derived from the fact that not all questions were answered in the first instalment. Simple as that, which is where the "judge the series when it's over" line came from if you want to judge a movie on that basis.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Sigh...... It doesn't look the Raimi costume and it is not ripping it off other than the hexagonal pattern on the red. And Marc and the Costume designer admitted that was a nod to the Raimi suit.

The presence raised webbing is not a fair comparison because the webs can really only be raised if you want them to look good in live action.

At least Marc made the effort to have them be black and significantly less thick that Raimi's silver webbing, which came off gaudy.

Also, if you look at the contours and how certain parts of the red sections look on the body, as well as the web pattern and spider symbols themselves, they are VERY different, thought still similar.

Think how the comics has different writers draw the suit differently.

Yeah, the suit has those similarities to the Raimi suit, but because they are based on the SAME SOURCE MATERIAL, the similarity is inevitable. But is still similar.

So get off it.

Yes, the raised webs are a fair comparison. You saying it's not doesn't make it so. the embeded webs from TASM looked fine and were a distinctive new direction for the series. This costume comes of as a revised version of the Raimi suit. The similarities are too blatant.

The TASM2 costume is no more or less gaudy than the Raimi one.

You guys don't seem to understand that my qualms are with the styles stolen from the Raimi films and not the verisimilitude to the source material. Is it really that difficult to grasp?

P.S. How can you blame Webb for doing something the VAST majority of fans DEMANDED.

Very easily. Simply because the "fans" (fanbois) don't know what they want (alternatively, what they do want is ridiculous). The "fans" wanted Crispin Glover as the Joker, the "fans" want a sinister six movie in TASM3.

 

[JOE]

Yes, the raised webs are a fair comparison. You saying it's not doesn't make it so. the embeded webs from TASM looked fine and were a distinctive new direction for the series.

Contradicting yourself already? I thought you said it failed in distancing itself from the other Spider-Man movies?