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Well, it now seems that Fox will, in fact, move "American Idol" to Thursdays in March in the 8:00pm timeslot. Geez Louise!

Is it me, or has every major network, with the exception of CBS, pulled their show in the Thursday night 8:00pm timeslot: Joey, Alias, and now the OC? I don't know if this is a compliment to Smallville or a possible problem. The good news is that the move of AI is only temporary - I think three weeks. Since it will air in March, it may not have much of an impact, overall, on SV's ratings. (I'm not sure if Smallville airs repeats in March.)

. . . and the race continues.
 
Joey / Friends has ALWAYS been on Thursday Nights. So you can NOT say they Moved Joey when that has ALWAYS been its Night.
 
Earthsea said:
Joey / Friends has ALWAYS been on Thursday Nights. So you can NOT say they Moved Joey when that has ALWAYS been its Night.

Joey is not Friends. It's a different show.

More importantly, that's not the point I was making. No matter how you want to slice it, Joey is "temporarily" being replaced. Will and Grace is taking it's place in the 8:00pm timeslot in January, I believe. Add that to Alias moving to Wednesday, and now the OC going on "temporary" hiatus in March for American Idol.

That means that Joey, Alias, and the OC are moving, being replaced, or are temporarily leaving the 8:00pm timeslot. The only two shows still remaining are Survivor and Smallville - since SV is beating Everybody Hates Chris in the ratings, I didn't count it.
 
Max said:
Well, it now seems that Fox will, in fact, move "American Idol" to Thursdays in March in the 8:00pm timeslot. Geez Louise!...
Aint THAT the truth. OY! Here's two relevant articles from Variety...


Thursday 'Idol' threat
Fox puts rivals on the run with reality skein
By JOSEF ADALIAN

When it comes to the monster that is "American Idol," Fox has a message for its rivals: You can run, but you can't hide.

Net said Monday that it will air at least three hourlong episodes of "Idol" on Thursday at 8 p.m. Segs will run the last week of February and the first two weeks of March.

Move will displace "The OC" for three weeks. It's not yet clear what Fox plans to air Thursdays at 9 p.m. in conjunction with "Idol."

Announcement comes in the wake of other nets, particularly NBC, holding off on some midseason changes until they were certain Fox wasn't going to move "Idol" to Thursday nights. Peacock, for one, wanted to make sure its new two-hour Thursday comedy block wouldn't have to face the Fox juggernaut on a weekly basis.

Still, even after Fox said it would keep "Idol" on Tuesdays and Wednesday, rivals had a feeling the net would find a way to play the Thursday "Idol" card. Fox has always expanded its megahit to a thrice-weekly air pattern for at least a couple weeks each season.

In past years, the "bonus" episodes of "Idol" generally ran on Mondays. By airing "Idol" on Thursdays, Fox might be able to blunt any momentum achieved by NBC's new laffer lineup, ABC's second season of "Dancing With the Stars" or CBS' "Survivor," which will be just a few weeks into its new season when "Idol" makes its Thursday attack.

http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117934958&c=14




'OC' sees new slot amid Fox sked shakeup
'Stacked' to return after Olympics, special 'Idol' b'casts
By JOSEF ADALIAN

Fox is tweaking its Thursday sked again, shifting 3-year-old sudser "The OC" to 9 p.m. and pulling "Reunion" earlier than planned.

"The OC" will move into its later Thursday slot Jan. 12. It'll be replaced from 8-9 p.m. with original and repeat segs of "That '70s Show." Latter skein had been slated to move to Thursdays at 9 p.m. in March.

Taking a two-month hiatus: struggling laffer "Stacked," which Fox says will return in a new 8:30 p.m. Thursday slot March 16, after the Olympics and three weeks of special "Idol" broadcasts on Thursdays (Daily Variety, Dec. 20).

As for "Reunion," skein had its final scheduled broadcast last week, about a month earlier than previously announced. Four more episodes of the low-rated serialized drama remain in the can but are unlikely to turn up before summer, if ever.

http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117935016&c=14



Nielsen's new inclusion of DVR's couldn't have come at a better time for SV ratings. Phew!

"Tests revealed that the WB's ''Smallville,'' for example, was watched at double the rate in DVR homes than in homes without the device."
http://www.suntimes.com/output/television/cst-ftr-dvr19.html

For those curious, the next nationwide sweep runs from February 2 - March 1, 2006
http://www.nielsenmedia.com/sweeps.html
 
AI's audience tends not to crossover into Smallville's all too much so I wouldnt worry. If you told me Lost was moving to Thursdays I'd be scared.

Joey got the ax by the way, it's done after the end of January,
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
AI's audience tends not to crossover into Smallville's all too much so I wouldnt worry. If you told me Lost was moving to Thursdays I'd be scared.

Joey got the ax by the way, it's done after the end of January,
HAHAHA! Joey joins Enterprise.

Good confirmation on AI's demos. I'd LOVE to see SV rake in the ratings and watch people's eyes bug out over at The WB. If the show does re-heeeeely well, there may be other treats besides a season renewal in store for us. :D :up:
 
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/top2005/

Entertainment top searches

1-Star Wars-------------Britney Spears---------American Idol
2-Napoleon Dynamite----50 Cent----------------The Simpsons
3-Batman Begins---------Mariah Carey-----------Family Guy
4-Superman Returns-----Green Day--------------Days of Our Lives
5-Spider-man------------Eminem----------------Lost
6-Sin City---------------Ciara-------------------The Apprentice
7-Dukes of Hazzard------Kelly Clarkson-----------Smallville
8-The Incredibles--------Shakira-----------------Desperate Housewives
9-Fantastic Four---------Gwen Stefani-----------The OC
10-Harry Potter ---------My Chemical Romance---America's Next Top Model


Seems like Clark Kent/Superman was on the mind of a lot of people who were searching the internet's biggest search engine in 2005. :supes:

Good news all around.
 
^^^^ I thought Google was the biggest search engine.

As to all the time changes on other networks, time will tell. Its a good thing that the WB has decided to keep their programming running as it is.
 
Well, the thing that worries me now is that the networks seem to be targeting any and all demographics as three networks have revamped their schedule:

ABC: Dancing with the Stars (female)
NBC: Will and Grace (both)
FOX: That 70s Show (male); then American Idol

I'm not sure if Will and Grace will make much of a difference in Joey's timeslot, but what about That 70s Show?
 
Max said:
Well, the thing that worries me now is that the networks seem to be targeting any and all demographics as three networks have revamped their schedule:

ABC: Dancing with the Stars (female)
NBC: Will and Grace (both)
FOX: That 70s Show (male); then American Idol

I'm not sure if Will and Grace will make much of a difference in Joey's timeslot, but what about That 70s Show?

Naw, it's sucked since they lost Topher and Ashton.
 
Max said:
Well, the thing that worries me now is that the networks seem to be targeting any and all demographics as three networks have revamped their schedule:

ABC: Dancing with the Stars (female)
NBC: Will and Grace (both)
FOX: That 70s Show (male); then American Idol

I'm not sure if Will and Grace will make much of a difference in Joey's timeslot, but what about That 70s Show?
The funny part about this is that two of the shows above were profiled by Matt Roush in the latest issue of TV Guide as shows that have either already been canceled or are on the bubble. The shows listed were West Wing, Alias, Will & Grace, That 70's Show and 7th Heaven. Maybe NBC and FOX are just looking for an excuse to axe W&G and T70S?

Also, in the letter's section of the same issue of TV Guide, one reader opined:

"Here's an idea why Alias lost viewers: They seemingly killed off Vaughn. Viewers enjoyed the chemistry between Syd and Vaughn. The show had a good thing going on but screwed it up."

I never watched Alias, but I've heard this complaint from fans before (along with the Ben Afleck jabs LOL.) My point of bringing it up is the impending mystery death on SV's 100th episode. That ep will surely bring in an audience, but the more I think about the ramifications of offing one of the key cast, the more worried I become about ratings for subsequent eps...
 
I know what you're saying, Pat. There are some viewers, I'm sure, who feel that certain characters have to die in order to jump start "Superman," namely Chloe, Lionel, and Jonathan.

I know that Jonathan's death is the catalyst for Clark taking that last step towards becoming Superman, and since Chloe and Lionel don't exist (unless I'm wrong) in the Superman world after Smallville, maybe them too. Now, since Smallville has changed the mythos a bit, maybe none of the three have to die.

If the writing is good, and the episodes are well done, I think that the viewers will follow. (fingers crossed.)
 
Max said:
I know what you're saying, Pat. There are some viewers, I'm sure, who feel that certain characters have to die in order to jump start "Superman," namely Chloe, Lionel, and Jonathan.

I know that Jonathan's death is the catalyst for Clark taking that last step towards becoming Superman, and since Chloe and Lionel don't exist (unless I'm wrong) in the Superman world after Smallville, maybe them too. Now, since Smallville has changed the mythos a bit, maybe none of the three have to die.

If the writing is good, and the episodes are well done, I think that the viewers will follow. (fingers crossed.)
Actually, I'm not concerned about Lionel or Jonathan. I'd go out on a limb and suggest that they're not as important for ratings as say Chloe or... LANA! Now, I'm no big fan of Lana. Trust me on that LOL. Yanking her and doing more with Lois, and to a lesser extent, Chloe, would make me very happy. But Lana is a HUGE draw. She just is. I know this. So I *really* hope it's not her, just for the sake of ratings. We know it's gonna be somebody. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it's Jonathan.
 
They cancelled Joey? Wow. Now all Leblanc has is his millions.

I think W&G isn't a threat and That 70's Show should have been pulled years ago.
 
AgentPat said:
Actually, I'm not concerned about Lionel or Jonathan. I'd go out on a limb and suggest that they're not as important for ratings as say Chloe or... LANA! Now, I'm no big fan of Lana. Trust me on that LOL. Yanking her and doing more with Lois, and to a lesser extent, Chloe, would make me very happy. But Lana is a HUGE draw. She just is. I know this. So I *really* hope it's not her, just for the sake of ratings. We know it's gonna be somebody. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it's Jonathan.
I'm actually keeping my fingers crossed that it's not Jonathan.
 
RakuMon said:
I'm actually keeping my fingers crossed that it's not Jonathan.
Knowing that it's going to be *somebody*, who would you prefer it to be Raku? Just curious.
 
AgentPat said:
Knowing that it's going to be *somebody*, who would you prefer it to be Raku? Just curious.

Sherriff Adams *she needs to go*


You know, you realize that almost every thread seems to morph into more conversation about impending death? It just makes me laugh, that the producers really have gotten a reaction by this announcement. I think that episode is going to do so well ratings wise.

It would be interesting to see how many threads here have conversations about the death.:)
 
I agree with Pat..ratings wise, Jonathan is the safest bet..even Lost doesn't kill off popular characters, its never a good move.
 
mellyM said:
I agree with Pat..ratings wise, Jonathan is the safest bet..even Lost doesn't kill off popular characters, its never a good move.
That's the main reason I prefer Jonathan; it shouldn't dent the ratings too much, if any at all. Hell, it might even make it more popular, who knows?

Generally speaking, producers of hit shows have a good idea of which characters they can safely bump if there's a need or reason to do so.

We were discussing Adrian Paul in the Zod thread last night, and it made me think of early Highlander, and how the producers of that show (wisely) dumped Mac's GF going into (I think) the second season. I was happier than a clam on a mudflat when they did that. Gosh, was she ever annoying LOL. Luckily for Highlander though, such a radical move worked for the greater good of the show. They were then able to bring in other characters that were MUCH more popular, and definitely more interesting.

Now, with a 6th season still up in the air for SV (no pun intended), I don't know if this is the kind of flexibility they were originally shooting for. If the dead man walking is Jonathan, it might simply be to keep the show in line with the film...

Pardon me for a second... :mad:

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Okay, I'm better now.

Where was I? Oh yeah... Heck, they might have been looking for a way to free up some money for other things planned for the end of the season, like a two hour grand finale, perhaps? Such as would have been the case if the 5th season was (or is?) truly the last.

One thing is for sure though, it's all about ratings. Without good ratings, kiss everything goodbye. It's just the way it is.
 
AgentPat said:
Knowing that it's going to be *somebody*, who would you prefer it to be Raku? Just curious.
I've made my stance on how and why Jonathan's death is unnecesarry in Smallville continuity many times.

But just to reiterate one last time: One of my favorite relationships throughout the life of the show has been Clark and his dad. From the Pilot on, I've always looked forward to their talks on the porch or in the loft. I think being the only superhero who still has his parents is something that made the post-Crisis Superman special to me. (That's one of the only Byrne changes I actually liked). Smallville took it one step further by making the Kents younger (and thus easier to relate to.) Ma and Pa aren't elderly grandparents anymore, so having one or both die of natural causes wouldn't have the same impact today that it might have had 30 years ago with a much older set of Kents.

Secondly, (I've also stated this before) Jonathan's "death" wouldn't teach Clark anything. You see, Jonathan would NOT (I repeat: NOT) be dying of "natural causes." If he dies, it's a direct result of Jor-El’s interference. (This can be taken two ways: Jonathan’s weak heart is a consequence of being imbued with super powers. Remember, prior to Exile, Jonathan Kent was a pillar of health. OR, Jonathan’s is the life Jor-El exchanges to give Clark his life force back.)

See. It’s a no-win situation for Clark if Jonathan dies. I just can’t for the life of me see this Clark have the same reaction to Jonathan’s death that Jeff East’s Clark did. In the 78 film, there was no context to Jonathan’s collapse other than “he’s a really old guy.” With five years of back story and a de-aged Pa Kent, that context is forever altered. Therefore, Clark’s lesson is no longer “I can’t save everybody. With all my powers, I couldn’t even save him.” Instead, his lesson will be, “I should’ve never disobeyed Jor-El.” And THAT should not be what propels Clark into being Superman!

So who does that leave?

In my humble opinion, the only character who I feel can be killed off WITHOUT affecting the rest of the show or cast or potential audience can only be one magnificent character: LIONEL.

Think about it. His death’s the only one that makes sense and whose repercussions would have logical effects on the characters. (Granted this could all be moot since we see Clark looking somber at the funeral. Why would he be mourning Lionel’s passing? Hmmmm….)

If Lionel dies, especially at Lex’s hands, that’ll solidify Lex’s journey to the dark side (and be in keeping with the comic Luthor’s origins.) Moreover, Lionel’s dying while Jor-El’s life force is inside him would be doubly poignant. It would demonstrate to Clark what kind of man Jor-El is by TWICE giving up his own life for his son. Then, Clark can finally understand his ancestry and truly embrace his Kryptonian heritage. (Do you really think it makes sense for Clark to accept being of the House of El if he believes his father is responsible for his adopted father’s death?) Also, I think it would be a brilliant bit of foreshadowing since in “Hidden” it was Jor-El inside Lionel that told Clark about the life force exchange in the first place.

The other reason I believe Lionel is expendable is because I feel his character’s become expendable. Lex is already on the path to evil and no longer needs his father’s provocation. I think it serves the Smallville story better to off him. And as great an actor as John Glover is (and trust me, he’s one of my faves on the show) I wouldn’t be too distraught to see him go. However, Jonathan’s death is just too heartbreaking to even consider. Not just for me, but for Clark and ESPECIALLY for Martha. I don’t see how the Kents -- or the show, for that matter -- could go on without him.
 
All very valid points that make a great deal of sense, to me, Raku. The only thing that holds me back from this theory, is who then teaches Clark about Krypton and the secrets of the Universe? Who does he turn to when his problems become beyond earthly? Who will help him to fight Zod when he shows up and Brainiac again?

Could this be the beginning of Lara's introduction to the show?
 
avidreader said:
All very valid points that make a great deal of sense, to me, Raku. The only thing that holds me back from this theory, is who then teaches Clark about Krypton and the secrets of the Universe? Who does he turn to when his problems become beyond earthly? Who will help him to fight Zod when he shows up and Brainiac again?

Could this be the beginning of Lara's introduction to the show?

I think that kind of knowledge doesn't require a sentient Jor-El.

It's all rather moot since all signs point to the producers offing someone more obvious than Lion-El.
 
Interesting points, Raku, though there could be other causes for Jonathan's death that wouldn't necessarily relate to heart complications or a life-force exchange if the writers wanted to go that route. The question is, are they smart enough to do that because we really don't want Clark feeling guilty the rest of his life? Also, while Lionel may indeed be one of the offees, apparently somebody else is going to draw the short straw as well because I just don't see Clark all that broken up about Lionel's death as he appears to be in those spoiler pics.

Time will tell.

Anyhoo... Back on topic. Posted today on Mediaweek:


TV Tidbits:
Notes of Interest

-Nielsen Media Research to Provide Audience Estimates With Viewing from DVRs:
Beginning with the week of Dec. 26, 2005, Nielsen Media Research will provide national TV audience estimates that include viewing from Digital Video Recorders (DVRs). The first national "overnight" ratings reflecting time-shifted viewing will be available to Nielsen clients on Dec. 28. All programs and networks will now receive the following three separate ratings:

Live Ratings
Those who view programs at the time they initially are aired, excluding any DVR playback.

Live+Same Day (SD) Ratings
Viewers watching live, as well as those who played back programs on a DVR on the same day of the initial airing.

Live+7 Day Ratings
Viewers watching live, as well as those who played back programs on a DVR within one week of the initial airing.

The Live and Live+SD ratings will be delivered to clients concurrently on a daily basis. Data from the Live+7 Day ratings will be delivered to clients two weeks following the completion of each full seven-day week. The traditional season-to-date estimates will now be based on a combination of Live+SD viewing for the current two weeks and Live+7 Day viewing for all weeks prior.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp
 
Looks like the competition's getting stiffer on Thursdays:

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

Primetime Thursday Ratings:
CBS Wins; Solid Start for ABC’s Dancing With the Stars

Thursday 1/05/06
Metered Market Ratings

Note: The following overnight results exclude the Miami, Sacramento, Hartford, West Palm Beach, Providence and Greenville markets.

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 13.9/21, ABC: 10.7/16, NBC: 8.1/12, Fox: 3.4/ 5, WB: 2.1/ 3, UPN: 2.0/ 3

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 1/06/05):
ABC: +128, NBC: - 1, WB: - 5, CBS: - 3, Fox: -23, UPN: -49

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Fast National Ratings
(Note: Fast Nationals are now based on Live + Same Day data).

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 21.02 million, ABC: 14.54, NBC: 10.80, Fox: 5.13, WB: 2.23, UPN: 1.96

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 6.8/18, NBC: 5.0/13, ABC: 4.1/11, Fox: 2.2/ 6, WB: 1.0/ 3, UPN: 0.8/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), CSI (CBS), Without A Trace (CBS)

-Also Worth Positively Noting:
Four Kings (NBC), My Name Is Earl (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Movie – The Hot Chick (Fox), Primetime Live (ABC)

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Welcome Back, Dancing With the Stars:
Although I can’t help but root for troubled Tatum O’Neal, who rocked on the dance floor last night, my biggest concern is what will come out of her mouth when she opens it. Also off to a solid start were Drew Lachey, Giselle Fernandez, Stacy Keibler and Jerry Rice, who proves that just because you are an athlete does not mean you have two left feet. Bottom of the barrel: Kenny Mayne and rapper Master P, who should not have signed up for the competition if he didn’t want to participate.

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-Ratings Breakdown:
While nothing can stop the CSI juggernaut, the return of Dancing With the Stars was a major Thursday success for ABC. NBC, meanwhile, got off to a respectable start with its revamped Thursday line-up. CBS maintained the No. 1 spot on Thursday, with a first-place finish in the overnights, total viewers and adults 18-49, while ABC was a competitive, and vastly improved, second in the overnights and total viewers. NBC came in second among adults 18-49, and third elsewhere.

The two-hour second-season premiere of ABC’s Dancing With the Stars (minus CBS’ Survivor in the competitive mix) lifted the network to an overall second-place 12.8/19 in the overnights, 17.33 million viewers and a 4.7/12 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. As a benchmark for comparison, year-ago occupants life as we know it and Extreme Makeover averaged a mere 3.7/ 5 in the overnights, 5.04 million viewers and a 1.7/ 5 among adults 18-49 on Jan. 6, 2005. Comparatively, Dancing With the Stars was an improvement of a whopping 246 percent in the overnights, 12.29 million viewers and 176 percent among adults 18-49. Dancing With the Stars also built from its summer premiere (Viewers: 13.48 million; A18-49: 4.3/12 on Wednesday, June 1, 2005) by 3.85 million viewers and 9 percent among adults 18-49. And it was ABC’s best delivery in the Thursday 8-10 p.m. block with regularly scheduled programming in viewers since Nov. 16, 2000 and highest among adults 18-49 since March 22, 2001.

Keep in mind, of course, that results among total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals, while the year-ago and summer averages were based on the final nationals.

Dancing With the Stars led into a report on the coal miner’s tragedy on Primetime Thursday, which dipped to a typically last-place 6.6/10 in the overnights, 8.94 million viewers and a 2.9/ 8 among adults 18-49 at 10 p.m.

Although a repeat of CBS’ CSI opened second to Dancing With the Stars, at a 9.7/14 in the overnights, 15.10 million viewers and a 4.5/12 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m., the regularly scheduled 9 p.m. telecast perked up to a dominant 18.0/26 in the overnights, 27.36 million viewers and an 8.0/20 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. That led into Without A Trace at an also first-place 14.1/22 in the overnights, 20.60 million viewers and a 6.7/17 among adults 18-49 at 10 p.m.

Despite the heavier than usual competition, the return of NBC’s traditional two-hour sitcom block netted positive results. The relocated Will & Grace opened with a third-place 6.8/10 in the overnights, 7.98 million viewers and a 3.5/10 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Comparatively, that was a slight improvement over former occupant Joey. That led into the series-premiere of Four Kings at an also third-place 7.0/10 in the overnights, 8.84 million viewers and a 4.2/11 among adults 18-49 at 8:30 p.m. Comparatively, that was also an improvement over former occupant Will & Grace. The positive news for Four Kings was growth out of lead-in Will & Grace of 3 percent in the overnights, 860,000 viewers and 20 percent among adults 18-49.

While no one expected NBC’s relocated My Name Is Earl to perform a miracle at 9 p.m., debuting in the half-hour with a 7.7/11 in the overnights (#3), 11.20 million viewers (#3) and a 5.2/13 among adults 18-49 (#2) is a solid start. My Name Is Earl led into also relocated The Office at a third-place 6.4/ 9 in the overnights, 8.83 million viewers and a 4.5/11 among adults 18-49 at 9:30 p.m. With a weaker lead-in, veteran ER sunk to a below average (and second-place) 10.4/16 in the overnights, 13.98 million viewers and a 6.2/16 among adults 18-49 at 10 p.m.

Elsewhere, and there wasn’t much left, movie The Hot Chick on Fox was not so hot at a fourth-place 3.4/ 5 in the overnights, 5.13 million viewers and a 2.2/ 6 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m.

A repeat of the WB’s Smallville (Overnights: #5, 2.5/ 4; Viewers: #5, 2.80 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3) led into a repeat of the ongoing season one Beauty and the Geek marathon at 9 p.m. (Overnights: #5t, 1.6/ 2; Viewers: #5, 1.66 million; A18-49: #5, 0.8/ 2).

On an also all repeat night, UPN anchor Everybody Hates Chris remained the standout, with a 3.0/ 5 in the overnights (#5), 3.18 million viewers (#5) and a 1.3/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#5t) at 8 p.m. Encore telecasts of Love, Inc. (Overnights: #6, 1.8/ 3; Viewers: #6, 1.64 million; A18-49: #6, 0.6/ 2), Eve (Overnights: #6, 1.6/ 2; Viewers: #6, 1.51 million; A18-49: #6, 0.6/ 1) and Cuts (Overnights: #6, 1.5/ 2; Viewers: #6, 1.52 million; A18-49: #6, 0.6/ 1) were at typical non-original levels from 8:30-10 p.m.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
 
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