Re-organising Phase 3

[MbJ]

Oh no sorry if I misspoke I was trying to say I don't think that the Royal family is the sole priority, so they wouldn't be worried about having to divvy up screentime.

 

[Aztec]

I love how everyone is assuming that Marvel didn't have all of these negotiations in mind when they were announcing Phase 3. It was well documented at the time that they were working on the deal. So I'm guessing Marvel had a "Plan A" with Spider-Man and a "Plan B" without him. They presented Plan B because the deal was not done by then (possibly as a pressure move to Sony) but returned to Plan A when the deal was done. In fact the Civil War plans to originally include Spidey all but confirm this!

Secondly I really think that both Black Panther and Captain Marvel will benefit greatly from this. They will placed in the enviable position of carrying the story between mind blowingly blockbuster Avengers films.

The way I see it both of their roles and import to the MCU will be greatly advanced. Assuming a crushing Avengers defeat at the end of Infinity War I (and that's almost a certainty) I would have BP play the role of earthbound Avenger rally we/recruiter/peacemaker (which would carry over well from his likely tweener role in Civil War). Then it would be Carol's job to use her cosmic powers to recruit some galactic help in the battle. Guardians? Inhuman royals? (That could be a real nice Segway into a post IW Inhumans flick too.)

As to the Inhumans I'll grant you that's tricky.

They could:
A) Let be the start of Phase IV
B) Let them be an epilogue story to Phase III (ala Ant-Man)
C) Introduce them in CM and/or IW2

They have the advantage of having already been introduced in AoS and in Age of Ultron (most likely QS and SW). Perhaps they could play a role in Phase 3 without making being seen until 4?

 

[Heretic]

That sounds like you're saying it would distract from them, just that you don't think that's a bad thing. Obviously, "street-level" Inhumans are being introduced in Agents of SHIELD anyway so it's a moot point whether they need to be introduced somewhere else first. My point is it would take the focus away from the royal family.

Unfortunately, most MCU fans don't watch Agents of SHIELD. The movies will have to cover some of the same ground to get people up to speed. They aren't going to assume that everyone knows that you enter a chamber and get this mist stuff etc...

 

[First Avenger]

There's one positive though. 3 movies with Thor within 1,5 years.

You know,I doubt he's gonna be in IW1.

 

[Dasher10]

You know,I doubt he's gonna be in IW1.

I feel like when Thanos kills off half the universe, we wind up with all the iconic characters being dead and it's up to a new team of Avengers to stop Thanos.

Winter Soldier replaces Captain America and eventually dons his uniform.

War Machine replaces Iron Man and also dons his armor.

Mockingbird replaces Black Widow.

Falcon takes Hawkeye's place.

Luke Cage replaces Hulk.

Doctor Strange replaces Thor

Ant-Man and Wasp replace Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Spider-Man replaces Nick Fury.

Vision replaces... himself I guess since he'll still be fulfilling the same role on the team. In fact, he and War Machine will be the only two Avengers left. He survives the purge at Avengers Tower by virtue of not technically being "alive" since he's a machine.

Much like in the original story, Adam Warlock, Gamora and Drax will all play a role. Star Lord will replace Silver Surfer. Drax will be revealed to be an Eternal since his origin was never specified, just that he was an alien and has a daughter on Earth who is never shown. Rocket Raccoon, Groot and Phylla don't have any counterparts in the original story but w/e, the Guardians are coming.

Since Marvel don't own Doctor Doom's film rights, I expect his role to be filled by either Kingpin or Zemo. Both of them can fill Doom's role as the enemy who teams up with the Avengers but winds up dying due to his own greed.

Oh, and everybody I listed above dies horribly. The savior of all reality is... Nebula.

The film ends with Thanos defeated and Adam Warlock offering him a chance at redemption among the Guardians.

There is your Infinity War Part 1 story. Infinity War Part 2 should bring back the old Avengers with new additions Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Daredevil and Captain Marvel and introduce Moondragon to the MCU where all hands are on deck to fight the Magus.

 

[Human Torch]

So are all the people saying "Why would you want Marvel to get Spidey/FF back? They wouldn't get a film made until 2020!!!" eating plenty of crow yet? t: Goooood.

 

[First Avenger]

I feel like when Thanos kills off half the universe, we wind up with all the iconic characters being dead and it's up to a new team of Avengers to stop Thanos.

Winter Soldier replaces Captain America and eventually dons his uniform.

War Machine replaces Iron Man and also dons his armor.

Mockingbird replaces Black Widow.

Falcon takes Hawkeye's place.

Luke Cage replaces Hulk.

Doctor Strange replaces Thor

Ant-Man and Wasp replace Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Spider-Man replaces Nick Fury.

Vision replaces... himself I guess since he'll still be fulfilling the same role on the team. In fact, he and War Machine will be the only two Avengers left. He survives the purge at Avengers Tower by virtue of not technically being "alive" since he's a machine.

Much like in the original story, Adam Warlock, Gamora and Drax will all play a role. Star Lord will replace Silver Surfer. Drax will be revealed to be an Eternal since his origin was never specified, just that he was an alien and has a daughter on Earth who is never shown. Rocket Raccoon, Groot and Phylla don't have any counterparts in the original story but w/e, the Guardians are coming.

Since Marvel don't own Doctor Doom's film rights, I expect his role to be filled by either Kingpin or Zemo. Both of them can fill Doom's role as the enemy who teams up with the Avengers but winds up dying due to his own greed.

Oh, and everybody I listed above dies horribly. The savior of all reality is... Nebula.

The film ends with Thanos defeated and Adam Warlock offering him a chance at redemption among the Guardians.

There is your Infinity War Part 1 story. Infinity War Part 2 should bring back the old Avengers with new additions Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Daredevil and Captain Marvel and introduce Moondragon to the MCU where all hands are on deck to fight the Magus.

Oh yes I can definately see something like that.

 

[Dasher10]

So are all the people saying "Why would you want Marvel to get Spidey/FF back? They wouldn't get a film made until 2020!!!" eating plenty of crow yet? t: Goooood.

Because that's what would have happened if the rights completely reverted. What happened with Spider-Man is that it's a co-production with Sony still getting all the box office profits and Marvel profiting from merch.

The Fox-Men are too established right now and Fox won't reach a deal that would make them scrap their entire universe right after they just rebooted last year. The only way I can see a similar deal working out is one where Scarlet Witch's backstory revolves around three words that split the universe in two and the only way is can be made whole again is with three films.

Avengers: Time Runs Out
X-Men/Fantastic Four: Onslaught
Secret Wars

In fact, now that I think of it, I'm not sure if Fox should sell Marvel the Shi'Ar, Brood and Badoon. I feel like Marvel's terms for an X-Men/Fantastic Four crossover is that Fox has to add their universe to the MCU.

And Secret Wars would be the biggest film of all time. Period. It would be teased at the end of Time Runs Out when Iron Man is scanning some movement on the horizon of Battleworld's wasteland that's apparently moving incredibly fast an is made of metal only to be jumped by Wolverine before cutting to black. Then Onslaught would end with Cyclops walking into in abandoned building in a ghost town where he does battle with a shadowy figure who can reflect his optic blasts who's revealed as Captain America.

The only downside would be the lack of character development but we're talking the Avengers, Defenders and Inhumans teaming with the X-Men, Fantastic Four and X-Force. This is a film about massive battles. It's about Mister Sinister and Baron Zemo on the same team. It's about Doom vs The Beyonder. It would be the most epic thing in the history of epicness and at the end... one of the Quicksilver actors is fired.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Unfortunately, most MCU fans don't watch Agents of SHIELD. The movies will have to cover some of the same ground to get people up to speed. They aren't going to assume that everyone knows that you enter a chamber and get this mist stuff etc...

Right, but they can also do that by not retreading the same ground. If you look in the Inhumans forum, the discussion is "who should play Black Bolt, who should play Medusa" not "who should play new character introduced in the past five years who was transformed by the Terrigen bomb."

 

[hoy-small-fry]

The way I see it both of their roles and import to the MCU will be greatly advanced. Assuming a crushing Avengers defeat at the end of Infinity War I (and that's almost a certainty) I would have BP play the role of earthbound Avenger rally we/recruiter/peacemaker (which would carry over well from his likely tweener role in Civil War). Then it would be Carol's job to use her cosmic powers to recruit some galactic help in the battle. Guardians? Inhuman royals? (That could be a real nice Segway into a post IW Inhumans flick too.)

Quite like this theory. BP as a rallying cry, perhaps after going underground post-CW, would be far better than him being cued up pre-IW1, and I always saw Captain Marvel as the bridge that brings the Guardians together with the Avengers to fight Thanos

 

[Heretic]

Right, but they can also do that by not retreading the same ground. If you look in the Inhumans forum, the discussion is "who should play Black Bolt, who should play Medusa" not "who should play new character introduced in the past five years who was transformed by the Terrigen bomb."

Fiege says that dozens of new characters will be introduced. There is no reason to think that some random guy who got transformed would be anything more than an extra. There is little reason to care who would play the dozens of extras milling around in the background.

 

[MbJ]

Right, but they can also do that by not retreading the same ground. If you look in the Inhumans forum, the discussion is "who should play Black Bolt, who should play Medusa" not "who should play new character introduced in the past five years who was transformed by the Terrigen bomb."

Yeah but fans are kinda notorious for not predicting curveballs. Most fans assumed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ant-Man was gonna be a Hank Pym movie, for instance.

 

[Endeavor]

Why can't they do BP in Feb or March?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah but fans are kinda notorious for not predicting curveballs. Most fans assumed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ant-Man was gonna be a Hank Pym movie, for instance.

Well, I don't think it's a curveball since plenty of people are taking it for granted that it'll happen. To me, it detracts from what makes the Inhumans interesting in order to make them more like another Marvel property instead.

 

[Drizzle]

I don't understand why they couldn't move Black Panther to February 2018 instead of pushing it back after Infinity War Part 1. That would put it halfway between Thor: Ragnarok and IW Part 1 so it wouldn't really affect either's box office take and vice versa. That way they could also keep the dates for Captain Marvel and Inhumans.

 

[MbJ]

Yeah but I think to Marvel, making them like that other property that shall not be named is a huge part of the reason they got greenlit in the first place.

 

[Spiderine]

We have to keep in mind its not just about Marvel films but Disney is still releasing other films in the studio catalog along with Pixar and Lucasfilms. I don't really know what the schedule is in the coming years but there are a lot of other films under the Disney umbrella so they have to keep these films spread apart as much as possible. Can't be competing with their own in house projects.

 

[Heretic]

Well, I don't think it's a curveball since plenty of people are taking it for granted that it'll happen. To me, it detracts from what makes the Inhumans interesting in order to make them more like another Marvel property instead.

I actually agree. It was just an idea I gave of how it COULD play in. I absolutely want Infinity War to launch into Inhumans...I kind of feel like they need the boost...but I dont know or care to know exactly how that would happen. You're right though that the concept needs to be protected as much as possible so we can become invested in their lives and the process of change.

However, Agents of SHIELD is kind of mucking with that already...as we have "gifted" people running around like Blackout, Absorbing Man and Scorch who had their powers activated in some other way than the mists.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Blackout got his powers by messing around with dark energy, same as in the comics. Absorbing Man's origin is not explained in the show but he managed to exist just fine without needing to be an Inhuman. Scorch in the show had the most silver age origin possible (nuclear powerplant caught on fire, so a combination of radiation and fire). However, it was speculated that, perhaps, he already had powers and that merely activated them (if so, that's a weird coincidence that fire activated his preexisting fire powers). He may or may not be inspired by the comicbook character of that name. If so, that character was a mutant so maybe that fits your example of Inhumans getting abilities outside of the mists. But, since the explanation they gave was purely in the mold of Elektro, perhaps not.

Inhumans, to me, are something more special than just "gifted" people. If you are an Inhuman, you are connected to something far older than the human race itself. And you were genetically designed to be better than them. At the same time, you are of the same root as homo sapiens. It's that tension that helps make the new Inhumans interesting, although it's the Inhumans at Attilan that are the most important.

 

[DatOatmealTho]

Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but is the new Spider-Man movie actually apart of Phase 3? I'm new here, btw!

 

[Endeavor]

Welcome to the hype. Yes, it's part of phase 3.

 

[DatOatmealTho]

Welcome to the hype. Yes, it's part of phase 3.

Thank you!