Resistance: The Fall of Man (threads Merged)

[THE LIZARD#1]

Character being hit with ambient lighting...

Notice the several different lighting sources...

Displays give off ambient lighting...

Lighting up area...

Notice how the lighting is shown with the player model... IN BRIGHT DAYLIGHT.

From these pictures I don't see the area around the gun lighting up from the Muzzle flash, I declare this one proven false

 

[Conker]

i see a flash coming off of that gentleman's gun... sure, but i don't think that's what we're talking about... has his shirt somehow changed color signifigantly? um... no. has the ground around him? nope. his hand? again... no.

all very suddle changes, barely noticable, because he's in the DAYTIME!!! he's got what is basically a big ass fire 2 feet in front of him, and it barely shows, because the light around him is just as bright.

damnit, you're dumb and stubborn.

Despite my visual aid and attempt to educate you, you still seem to be absolutely ******ed


Here, let me try and make a timeline for you, maybe that will help.

Danalys, in another entry in his long history of being a moron, said that NO muzzle flash would occur during the day time, never, ever.

I disagreed with this.

Lizard disagree with me, saying that muzzle flash would indeed not appear, even calling upon the resources of his imagination to conjur up a "friend" to help him win that argument.

You jumped into the argument about whether muzzle flash exists or not, agreeing with Lizard, in essence saying "I agree, no muzzle flash in the day time".

I proved you both wrong in a holy reckoning against the dumb

You are now attempting to back peddle now that you've been proven wrong, which happens quite often.



Can you follow that, or should I draw another diagram?

 

[Mentok]

From these pictures I don't see the area around the gun lighting up from the Muzzle flash, I declare this one proven false

ummm WHAT

You cant be that ****ing stupid.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

I tried to make it stand out.

I think you missed this part good try though, what does this mean, that he tried to make the guns muzzle flash stand out more by enhancing it? Even with a short barrel AK the barrel is long enough even with the most pyrodex in the bullet your muzzle flash will never get that large.

 

[Mr. Credible]

we're not talking about the burst that comes out of the end of the gun... that obviously happens, (even in resistance)what you were whining about was the effect it has on its surroundings in the daytime... of which it obviously has little to none.

 

[Mentok]

Mentok, I have played Half-Life 2 and it is not doing anything you guys have been saying. You shoot the gun and theres a flash just like Resistance, however Half-Life might be a little darker but like I said the video color was not transferred with the movie so it sort of looks weird.

If you played the game you would know that it has ambient lighting. No, its not because its 'Slightly darker' than RESISTANCE.

Its ambient lighting. Something that all screens and video from RESISTANCE has lacked.

Color loss has nothing to do with the TOTAL LACK OF AMBIENT LIGHTING.

 

[Fenrir]

I mean seriously a muzzle flash is very dim light source and it goes very fast, its not going to illuminate a whole area like all of you believe. Give me a picture in real life not a stupid reference to another game that’s not shooting for realism like Resistance Fall of Man.

Please shut up now.

 

[Conker]

we're not talking about the burst that comes out of the end of the gun... that obviously happens, (even in resistance)what you were whining about was the effect it has on its surroundings in the daytime... of which it obviously has little to none.

Ok, so just to clarify, you are telling me what I was talking about? Even though the post that clearly started this clearly stated that it was talking about the people who thought that muzzle flash didn't exist, you're going to disagree with that, and live in fantasy world and continue to pretend that you weren't totally wrong in every way? Just checking.

lizards moronic post, the latest in a long line

So you're going to disagree with science, experts, pictures and videos, and continue to believe your imagination? Priceless.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

Here is a better example, I think you misunderstood what I was saying when the flash around, not the Muzzle but the enviornment, you guys have stated that Resistance should light up the objects in the enviornment and i'm clearly not seeing that with Half Life 2.

 

[Fenrir]

we're not talking about the burst that comes out of the end of the gun... that obviously happens, (even in resistance)what you were whining about was the effect it has on its surroundings in the daytime... of which it obviously has little to none.

But Resistance isn't even in "daytime" like Half-Life 2 or Far Cry is. It's more like 5 in the evening when there is very little (if none) direct sunlight.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

Please shut up now.

Dude you are an idoit, never compare Hollywood or video games to the real thing, you should know that. They are used for entertainment and are never based along the lines of realism because it wouldn't be as entertaining.

However Miami Vice kicked ass!

 

[Fenrir]

Here is a better example, I think you misunderstood what I was saying when the flash around, not the Muzzle but the enviornment, you guys have stated that Resistance should light up the objects in the enviornment and i'm clearly not seeing that with Half Life 2.

Well isn't Resistance supposed to have better lighting than Half-Life 2 and better texture detail than Doom 3, both games nearly 2 years old running on much inferior hardware than a PS3? If it isn't, then I rest my case.

 

[Zenien]

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What movie is that from and how full did they stuff the barrel with muzzle flash?

That's like beyond Robocop level of muzzle flash.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

Well isn't Resistance supposed to have better lighting than Half-Life 2 and better texture detail than Doom 3, both games nearly 2 years old running on much inferior hardware than a PS3? If it isn't, then I rest my case.

You all are always changing the subject:

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

What movie is that from and how full did they stuff the barrel with muzzle flash?

That's like beyond Robocop level of muzzle flash.

Zenien don't make fun of Miami Vice It was a kick ass movie.

 

[Mentok]

Here is a better example, I think you misunderstood what I was saying when the flash around, not the Muzzle but the enviornment, you guys have stated that Resistance should light up the objects in the enviornment and i'm clearly not seeing that with Half Life 2.

LIZARD...

There are two different lighting models on display in that shot.

1- ENVIRONMENTAL LIGHTING - Preset lighting in the environment.
2- AMBIENT LIGHTING. - Guns, explosions and other light sources.

Both have an effect on the environment.

Why cant you see this? The photo you just posted makes no sence at all.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Despite my visual aid and attempt to educate you, you still seem to be absolutely ******ed


Here, let me try and make a timeline for you, maybe that will help.

Danalys, in another entry in his long history of being a moron, said that NO muzzle flash would occur during the day time, never, ever.

I disagreed with this.

Lizard disagree with me, saying that muzzle flash would indeed not appear, even calling upon the resources of his imagination to conjur up a "friend" to help him win that argument.

You jumped into the argument about whether muzzle flash exists or not, agreeing with Lizard, in essence saying "I agree, no muzzle flash in the day time".

I proved you both wrong in a holy reckoning against the dumb

You are now attempting to back peddle now that you've been proven wrong, which happens quite often.



Can you follow that, or should I draw another diagram?

please look at lizard's youtube videos of REAL LIFE people shooting automaic guns IN THE DAYTIME, under a roof no less (which should provide enough shade to get some kind of effect, you'd think) with no light showing upon their face/hands/surroundings, etc... quit showing me interpretations of developer's and programer's views of what a gun shot should effect on it's surrounding in the day time, and then please tell me you are not wrong.

the 2 real life pictures you've shown showed no evidence of a gun shot in day time making it's light show up on another surface, no matter how close.

you're arguing just for the sake of doing it... and please stop.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

^IF the ambient light was causing the shadows it would be based on the muzzle flash, which it isn't. Why can't you see that

 

[Fenrir]

Dude you are an idoit, never compare Hollywood or video games to the real thing, you should know that. They are used for entertainment and are never based along the lines of realism because it wouldn't be as entertaining.

Films use real guns with blanks. That way you get the same visual effect of real gunfire without anyone getting injured. Educate yourself. And if you're so pitiful as to resort to name-calling that is totally uncalled for just because someone attacks your favorite game, then I suppose it speaks volumes about your pathetically juvenile tendencies. Please leave us grown-ups alone and go watch Johnny Bravo or something. :

 

[Conker]

What movie is that from and how full did they stuff the barrel with muzzle flash?

That's like beyond Robocop level of muzzle flash.

That's Miami Vice, a Michael Mann film. And if you know anything about Michael Mann, you know that he strives for realism when it comes to guns, never muffling their sounds and never "stuff the barrel with muzzle flash", though I think it's impossible to stuff a barrel full of light and let it "escape" but whatever. Why can you sony fanboys not accept something as simple as muzzle flash? I mean, my god, what is it with you guys?

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude Insomniac already went to a shooting range to see how the guns kick how they function how they sound how they look. They know there s**T how many of you guys can tell me you know from experience first hand on shooting a gun?

 

[Fenrir]

You all are always changing the subject:

Quid dodging and just answer the question, will you? That way you can yourself admit Resistance isn't all that you're making it to be when it comes to visuals.

 

[Conker]

being an idiot.

You're getting really close to surpassing danalys here. Did you not even see my pictures? His videos are people firing guns at firing ranges mostly, using flash supressors, and not firing on full automatic, meaning they have no relevance to either the argument or Resistance. My pictures are obviously of real people, obviously during the day, and show obvious muzzle flash. You're arguing for the sake of doing it, and unlike myself, you're not actually right. You have proven yourself a moron time and time again, and you've done it again here. Stop trying to save face by pretending that you weren't arguing about what you were arguing about, stop trying to pretend that I didn't post pictures, stop trying to slip and slide around the fact that you jumped into yet another argument without any facts to back yourself up and got demolished because of it, just stop. It isn't working out for you. Just stop.

 

[THE LIZARD#1]

Films use real guns with blanks. That way you get the same visual effect of real gunfire without anyone getting injured. Educate yourself. And if you're so pitiful as to resort to name-calling that is totally uncalled for just because someone attacks your favorite game, then I suppose it speaks volumes about your pathetically juvenile tendencies. Please leave us grown-ups alone and go watch Johnny Bravo or something. :

Actually Lizard had nothing to do with that, sorry that was me. Don't be mad at Lizard, but dude educate yourself. When you fire a blank there is no bullet allowing the burning pyrodex escape the gun faster which slightly increased muzzle flash but barely noticiable. Hollywood often uses special effects when being fired to show to the audience that the gun is in fact being fired because the general public expects a bright flash from all guns followed by a loud noise.

 

[Mentok]

^IF the ambient light was causing the shadows it would be based on the muzzle flash, which it isn't. Why can't you see that

Jesus ****ing christ

THERE IS MORE THAN ONE LIGHT SOURCE COMING INTO EFFECT IN THE FRONT OF THE IMAGE. TAKE AWAY EITHER THE AMBIENT (GUN FLASH) OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIGHTING (ROOF LIGHT) AND THE SHADOW YOU ARE GETTING SO PISSY OVER WILL CHANGE.

BOTH LIGHTING SOURCES ARE HAVING AN EFFECT ON IT.