The Dark Knight Rises Return of Ra's Al Ghul?

[cerealkiller182]

Argh! No, he wasn't. The Asian Ra's was never, ever the real one. Neeson was always the one and only real Ra's.

I know. But before its release that was implied, so my idea came before I saw the flick,.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Only if Liam comes back. No one else is better suited to the role.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Only if Liam comes back. No one else is better suited to the role.

Naturally

 

[Two-Face]

Only if Liam comes back. No one else is better suited to the role.

If Nolan is in charge after 3 then yes Neeson will be back and if Nolan & Goyer decide to bring back Ra's.

 

[XCharlieX]

I think the way to do this is dont bring him back... Ras is a symbol and a name passed on, not a single man in the films. That was evident with the idea of the "wave of action" mentality as opposed to individual, and Nolans style imo.

 

[Katsuro]

I think the way to do this is dont bring him back... Ras is a symbol and a name passed on, not a single man in the films. That was evident with the idea of the "wave of action" mentality as opposed to individual, and Nolans style imo.

In the films there was only Ra's al Ghul, and that was Neeson's character. The other two were Ubus (Ken Watanabe and the man at the party).

I would hate to see another character in a later movie with the name Ra's. It would be pointless. Liam owned that role. I want to see Talia return, apparently seeking revenge, when we later learn that she's actually investigating Bruce for her father. Just say he made it out of the train alive, you dont even need Lazarus Pits.

 

[XCharlieX]

Well this i believe is the way it works best imo... Al Ghul is done.. time for a brand new plot and villain imo. Id hate for Nolans style to fall victim to the "oh he made it out" or "he took a revival pill" syndrome...thats just so un-Nolan batmanish imo. Lest we fall back into the bad sequel problem again imo, which happens subtly.. just like this You dont want to cheapen the ideas by touching it again imo.

 

[Katsuro]

Well this i believe is the way it works best imo... Al Ghuul is done.. time for another villain imo. Id hate for Nolans style to fall victim to the "oh he made it out" or "he took a revival pill syndrome"...thats just so un-Nolan batmanish imo. Lest we fall back into the bad sequel problem again imo.

I think it's quite the opposite actually. The old movies had one or two villains appearing and being defeated at the same time, and then a short time after two more appear, almost like their taking turns. ("Oh look, Penguin's dead! Come on Riddler, it's our turn!") I'd prefer if these movies didn't dump every villain completely just cuz they'd had one movie. I still want to see Crane come back so he can be caught by Batman, and I think that later on Ra's should return, since that's what he does. He's Ra's al Ghul and he's immortal, so killing him off just doens't seem right at all.

 

[XCharlieX]

Well, im going to have to vote "no" respectfully. The whole speak of "immortal" by Al Ghul imo was his perception games he can play on others, no more. That was a fantastic and thematically heavy train sequence with real consequences.. "dont destroy it" imo

 

[TheVileOne]

If it helps the story I wouldn't mind seeing it happen.

Here's a device in showing Ra's WITHOUT bringing him back per se:

Bruce spent a number of time/years with Ra's training with him. Perhaps Batman faces a certain challenge or tribulation that causes him to think back to his training with Ra's, something we did NOT see in the first movie that would require new filming of flashback training scenes. The flashbacks then help Batman to get out of a jam.

It's a common device in anime or samurai film, which according to Bale, Batman is. Batman uses the memory of certain training he had to overcome a current problem.

 

[XCharlieX]

That would work imo.. otherwise no.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

1) The Ra's Al Ghul character in Begins is not an immortal.
2) Nolan has a desire to keep his Batman grounded in reality, so bringing Ra's back from a fiery death simply wouldn't work.
3) Although immortals are capable of living forever, they can still be killed.
Ever hear of Ragnarok, the fall of the Norse gods? How about The Highlander series? In the Highlander universe, you can live forever as long as noone beheads you first. Vampires and wooden stakes anyone? Having an inexhaustible life span does not render one invincible.
FYI, Ra's was murdered in current DC comics continuity.

Keep Ra's dead and bring on the Joker.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

If it helps the story I wouldn't mind seeing it happen.

Here's a device in showing Ra's WITHOUT bringing him back per se:

Bruce spent a number of time/years with Ra's training with him. Perhaps Batman faces a certain challenge or tribulation that causes him to think back to his training with Ra's, something we did NOT see in the first movie that would require new filming of flashback training scenes. The flashbacks then help Batman to get out of a jam.

It's a common device in anime or samurai film, which according to Bale, Batman is. Batman uses the memory of certain training he had to overcome a current problem.

If we are shown additional flashbacks of Bruce's early training, I would prefer to see how he acquired various styles (tiger, jujitsu, panther) before meeting up with Ducard.
I honestly don't see how Ras could have survived. I know he played a Jedi once, but let's face it. Neeson's Ras went down hard.

 

[El Payaso]

I honestly don't see how Ras could have survived. I know he played a Jedi once, but let's face it. Neeson's Ras went down hard.

HAHAHA. Very true.

 

[Katsuro]

1) The Ra's Al Ghul character in Begins is not an immortal.

the great thing about Begins is this is never explicitly stated. Nolan and Goyer left it completely up to the imagination of the viewer whether he had Lazarus Pits or not. You dont see them in the movie, but why would you? So basically they got rid of an unrealistic aspect of the character, yet were still able to remain faithful in that aspect. Ra's death was set up so that they could either bring him back, or not, and it would work either way. They left an opening for him to come back, but made it to where he didn't really have to. Nothing will be left unexplained if he doesn't, but it's entirely possible for him to.

I just find it odd that since Nolan and Goyer have said they dont want to kill off too many villains, that the one villain they would decide to kill off is Ra's al Ghul. I just dont get that.

 

[TheVileOne]

If we are shown additional flashbacks of Bruce's early training, I would prefer to see how he acquired various styles (tiger, jujitsu, panther) before meeting up with Ducard.
I honestly don't see how Ras could have survived. I know he played a Jedi once, but let's face it. Neeson's Ras went down hard.

My suggestion would NOT require for him to still be "alive".

Also, characters in comics always APPEAR to be dead and still come back. Sometimes they die and still come back anyway.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I will be very depressed if Ra's does not return.

 

[XCharlieX]

(tiger, jujitsu, panther)

Makes you wonder... Bruce must call his style "Bat" apparently heh. I think they put that reference to various styles in there for a reason.

 

[Ronny Shade]

lol "Bat" style.

They put all that in to show that he wasn't a fool going in to see Ra's. Not only had he trained, he'd trained a lot and in many various disciplines.

Though Tiger and Panther are both Kung Fu.

 

[XCharlieX]

Hey he does fight like a bat.. upside down/attacking from above/grappling hook techniques etc hehe Probably an interesting coincidence

 

[DV8]

This could totally work . . . we didn't get much info on Ra's . . . no mention of the Lazurus pit or anything . . . so to audiences, this would be a big twist; as long as if they did it, and Neeson is cast again; they make no mention of him being involved in the film.

Then, when he reappears . . . they could give the whole backstory of the Lazurus pit, and yes . . . Talia could be involved as a means to destroy Batman, but she inevitably falls in love w/ him, and can't do it

We could have all the Batman movies from now until then incorporate the villains as working for Ra's the whole time, perhaps . . .

 

[El Payaso]

Also, characters in comics always APPEAR to be dead and still come back. Sometimes they die and still come back anyway.

Yes. That predictable it is that stuff.

This could totally work . . . we didn't get much info on Ra's . . . no mention of the Lazurus pit or anything . . . so to audiences, this would be a big twist; as long as if they did it, and Neeson is cast again; they make no mention of him being involved in the film.

Then, when he reappears . . . they could give the whole backstory of the Lazurus pit, and yes . . . Talia could be involved as a means to destroy Batman, but she inevitably falls in love w/ him, and can't do it

In all honesty that's the worst way to tell a story, suddenly taking he option of a "surprising" twist without having a background or a hint justifying it. He's dead... ta dah, he's alive, we never knew he had this secret device. It's like when Batman and Robin escaped from traps in the 66 series.

 

[Katsuro]

Yes. That predictable it is that stuff.

You know, I see people say this all the time when they're just being sarcastic and don't really mean it, but I honestly can't figure out what that's supposed to say. English please?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Makes you wonder... Bruce must call his style "Bat" apparently heh. I think they put that reference to various styles in there for a reason.

TIGER - Strength & Tenacity. The tiger is good at in-fighting (fighting in close), it likes to maul the opponent, overpower him. The tiger is a strong style (good for stockier people, to use their strength). It throws an opponent one direction, and then uses the opponent's momentum against him.

JUJITSU - (J) Lit. Gentle Techniques; How to defend yourself by throwing, flipping, locking, and striking your opponent.

PANTHER - Circling, lunging and ripping.

Source: http://www.mackido.com/MartialArts/Glossary_Arts.html

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

the great thing about Begins is this is never explicitly stated. Nolan and Goyer left it completely up to the imagination of the viewer whether he had Lazarus Pits or not. You dont see them in the movie, but why would you? So basically they got rid of an unrealistic aspect of the character, yet were still able to remain faithful in that aspect. Ra's death was set up so that they could either bring him back, or not, and it would work either way. They left an opening for him to come back, but made it to where he didn't really have to. Nothing will be left unexplained if he doesn't, but it's entirely possible for him to.

I just find it odd that since Nolan and Goyer have said they dont want to kill off too many villains, that the one villain they would decide to kill off is Ra's al Ghul. I just dont get that.

What opening did they leave for Ras to come back? Does he possess teleportation powers? I don't mean to sound flip, but there is no way Ras could have escaped that train.
Like I stated above, even if Ras is immortal in Begins (which I highly doubt), the man is not invincible.