The Dark Knight Rises Riddle Me This: The Riddler Characterization Thread

[Rodrigo90]

So Batman's only hope is that he has been paying full attention to Riddler's hints of trying to get into his mind. Cause eventually when Batman confronts Edward,its not simply knocking him out and saving the day.

Batman when he confronts Riddler WANTS to give him what he originally wanted. Batman hopes that if he tries to give Riddler the answer to his final riddle,maybe it will revert him back to sanity and end his Riddler obsession.
Its a cry for help really,but the Riddler personality is still the evil genius, hell bent on causing as much problems as he can in a test to see if Batman is smart enough to catch him.

But whos to say he will get properly cured or he even wants to get cured anymore? This will chillinglly erase his tragic side and he has now fully embraced his Riddler personality and has become the monster he never intended to be forever,but his obsession has taken full control over that. It might or might not be too late for him. Batman doesnt want Riddler to suffer the same fate as Harvey.

 

[Rodrigo90]

For his Riddler costume,cause it is a disguise,a total change of himself. An olive green fedora hat. A ginger wig. Sunglasses. Emerald jacket. Black Shirt. Emerald tie. Black suit pants. Then an olive green overcoat,as suggested by Jolly C,with riddles written in words going across the jacket in the shapes of question marks. He also carries a cain and puts on a fake limp. His overcoat would be a cut above the knee,rather than below (So it isnt similar to Jokers).

The riddles on the his jacket should be ones used in his challenges and when Batman solves one, Riddler cleans it off.

As he slowly loses himself to the Riddler identity,he dyes his hair red. Loses his jacket, shirt and tie,but keeps his overcoat on. Also writing his main and final riddle in black and green shaped question mark on his exposed chest and stomach.
Maybe a chilling scene where he deliberately injures his leg,so that his fake limp becomes a real one. A disturbing product of his mental illness,as it worsens.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I think Riddler should find out about Harvey's coverup. He contacts Batman and pushes him with questions,but Batman deflects them. But Riddler finds out that the people murdered were involved with Harvey's fiance's death and his scaring and the investigation (stalking) into Batman, Riddler knows that he wouldnt kill. So Riddler uses this as his main threat.

"If you dont play along,not only will I kill innocent people, I will expose your true identity and tell EVERYBODY the truth about Harvey Dent...He was no better than the scum he put away".

Jokers motto was "Why so serious?" I think Riddlers should be "Knowledge is power".

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Agent Nashton should have a series of interviews with Joker. Joker eventually tells him the truth about Harvey.

 

[Harleen Quinzel]

Okay, so I really like the Riddler and all, one of my favorite villians and whatnot, but I don't think he should be the next villian. To me, he is alot like the Joker, more so than any other villian, and it would feel a little boring to have someone similar.

 

[Jolly C.]

Their should be more villians in this next movie, probably 3 at the most so that people dont linger on just the riddler and batman but batman and other villains as well.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Okay, so I really like the Riddler and all, one of my favorite villians and whatnot, but I don't think he should be the next villian. To me, he is alot like the Joker, more so than any other villian, and it would feel a little boring to have someone similar.

Ehh Riddler isn't really anything like Joker.

 

[Jolly C.]

The only thing thats really simular is their outfits, but they are different villains entirely, but they do have characteristics thatmake them seem the same.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Jokers motto was "Why so serious?" I think Riddlers should be "Knowledge is power".

I can see this. The same way Joker didn't care about money in TDK by saying "All you care about is money. This town deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm gonna give it to 'em." Riddler's could be along the lines of "Money isn't power..Money just gets you what you want. Knowledge..Knowledge is true power." And constantly having his need for attention.

 

[Jolly C.]

that can work pretty well ^

 

[Rodrigo90]

Absolutely. I think Riddler's knowledge of things should be a scary thing about him. What he chooses to do with the knowledge he already possesses and his chilling search for more. When Batman asks him what he wants,he simply replies "Knowledge and answers". So the journey is about getting into the mind of The Riddler and trying understand what knowledge and answers he is seeking. Cause he wont simply tell Batman what the question is,its a test to see if Batman is smart enough to figure what is going on and if he fails without the right answer,Riddler will unleash the knowledge he has, which will destroy everything Batman is trying to uphold.

He should be a Fed. But to avoid contradiction with The Gotham Times,he shouldnt start out as one,but steal the identity of an Agent for his own purposes.

Riddler should also fit booby traps to the victims,but since NOTHING like Saw will used,I was thinking of strapping bombs to them and will explode if attempts are made to remove it without defusing it first.

 

[Jordacar]

^Ooooh, Hurt Locker action, me likey!

 

[Rodrigo90]

Idea for The Fed. Riddler orchestrates an attack on the GCPD and Batman's symbol is a burning flame on the opposite site of the building. FBI become involved.

Riddler assumes the alias of Agent Joseph Morrison from the NYC Bereau and the only Agent from NYC to work at Gotham (Which is why he chose him). He ambushed and captured the real Agent Morrison on route to Gotham and stole his proof of identification and forges it to match his personal details. Riddler gains access into the FBI website and manages to trace Morrison's personal page. He then duplicates the page and puts his own photo and basic details on,while also making sure if Morrisons REAL page is accessed by a computer in Gotham City,the URL will secretly redirect to the fake URL he created,thus fooling everybody if accessed by FBI Agents in the region to check him out (If needed). The FBI have no idea what he has done and when he (Riddler as Agent Morrison) arrives at the GCPD,he simply tells them,"Forgive me for the lateness of my arrival".

 

[Pythagoras]

I think Riddler should be a Fed not steal the identity of one.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I think Riddler should be a Fed not steal the identity of one.

It'll just contradict what they've created in The Gotham Times,

So Im creating a solution so that it wont contradict and will be suitable.

Besides,Im using the Zodiac Killer as inspiration. Both go out their way to outsmart the Police and FBI,but Riddler's reason is different from Zodiac's (but its still to get a kick from the act).

 

[ALittlePush]

The general audience is unaware of the Gotham Times bit. So if Riddler were to be a fed, it wouldn't matter to them at all.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Thats true to the general audience,but thousands who happen to know Edward in The Gotham Times will probably complain.

I think the executives have made up their minds that he wont be a Fed if they included him in the Viral Marketing,which they know lots of people will follow and know all the details about. I may be wrong,but Im pretty certain he wont be a Fed,which is a shame cause its a brilliant idea. But is it vitally important that he is? Ive read lots of other great ideas that I see realisticlly working more so than the Fed scenario. I loved him being a Fed idea,but I think'll it work more if he assumed the identity of one and things pick up from that. You can still have ANY origin that you want from Riddler,but it'll 100% still work if he steals the identity of a Fed,of course itll change his motives a little and the storyline,but that can easily be sorted to the situation.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Mark my words, if Nolan thinks any given route fits his interests for the franchise, thematically or plot-wise, and that route happens to contradict something in the Gotham Times... he will print a copy of the GT and will wipe his ass with it.

 

[BestGirl]

Absolutely. I think Riddler's knowledge of things should be a scary thing about him. What he chooses to do with the knowledge he already possesses and his chilling search for more. When Batman asks him what he wants,he simply replies "Knowledge and answers". So the journey is about getting into the mind of The Riddler and trying understand what knowledge and answers he is seeking. Cause he wont simply tell Batman what the question is,its a test to see if Batman is smart enough to figure what is going on and if he fails without the right answer,Riddler will unleash the knowledge he has, which will destroy everything Batman is trying to uphold.

He should be a Fed. But to avoid contradiction with The Gotham Times,he shouldnt start out as one,but steal the identity of an Agent for his own purposes.

Riddler should also fit booby traps to the victims,but since NOTHING like Saw will used,I was thinking of strapping bombs to them and will explode if attempts are made to remove it without defusing it first.

What profession did Nashton claim in the Gotham Times?

 

[Brother Jack]

I think the executives have made up their minds that he wont be a Fed if they included him in the Viral Marketing,which they know lots of people will follow and know all the details about. I may be wrong,but Im pretty certain he wont be a Fed,which is a shame cause its a brilliant idea.

There is no script for Batman 3, let alone one that includes Riddler. How are the executives going alter a character that hasn't even been written yet? Not only that, but the Gotham Times was an invention of the viral marketing company, it wasn't like Nolan and co. wrote the friggin' thing themselves. It's not the Gospel, and the fact that Nashton was mentioned in it at all was nothing more than an Easter egg.

 

[Doctor Who]

I'm gonna give this a whirl: a whole new concept of Riddler to make and fill in blanks. LOL I've had this idea from what I've seen and rather do see in this next interpretation of Riddler. The idea of Edward wearing a mask to conceal his identity from everyone. But not in the aspect of Batman, rather than fear. I propose Riddler not only has OCD, but has OCD being a semi affect from having Asperger syndrome. If you think about it, Riddler has never been really public or face to face with people when performing puzzling enygmas of terror; he's always done such through television, computers, and other technological advantages. Sometimes he confronts people in person like Batman, but other than that he's been rather private. I think having mask would show that he's afraid to socialize in person and this possible obsessive compulsive disorder and asperger syndrome would develop some answers why he's obsessed with only a few selected things like riddles, and also why he may have some immature tendancies. Kind of like a super genius who can't even tie his own shoes; a severe mentally unstable like Albert Einstine.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Please forgive me,for being such a terrible person,cause of actually thinking outside the box and believing he wont be a Fed,and TRYING to come up with a solution to that possibility...If I tell you where I live are you going to come round and beat me up for not going for the idea?t:

The script hasnt been wrote,so Riddler might be actually be, in Nolans mind, a Wayne Enterprises Scientist, Lucius Fox's son (Eddie Murphy), a PI,a Detective,a Kindergarten Teacher as far as we know.

So dont get your hopes up and shoot other ideas and possibilities down just yet.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

We're just saying that the Fed route is ok as it is, there's no need to add more contrived ideas that ultimately lead to the same place but, as you said: "it'll change his motives a little and the storyline." It's a bit gratuitous and doesn't add anything from a thematical standpoint.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I never set out to say "it should be like this",I guess I got a bit carried away. I just took the brilliant Fed idea and shared it to my own idea. Im not going tell you what you should or should not like,or how it should be like. Im going a bit too far with that,so I'll give you my full proposal of the 3rd movie idea and you can see what Ive been trying to get at.

But all Im saying is,give something else a chance,whatever it may be, before its immediately condemned in favour of something else that might not happen.

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Listen, one idea was criticized. That doesn't mean "fed supporters" aren't open to other ideas.

Having said that, your idea is significantly better thant the constant and unsavory "Zodiac Riddler" buzz. But yeah, maybe you should present it in a more unified and clearer form. I promise I'll read it, no matter how long it is.