Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[SuperJediHero]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/


Seems to be the exact sentiment I talked about a couple days ago! Totally Agreed!!!

Actually, a lot of people agree about it, despite it seems to be an unpopular opinion at this point. I do notice the mass anger in the comment section though *Shrugs*

 

[Marvolo]

Cops need to know when to use their gun tho. Im of the opinion that a gun should only be drawn as a last resort or in the event that an attacker has a gun. They should be required to use non lethal incapacitating weapons for all other situations. For instance why couldnt the policeman taze Brown? Or pepperspray him? Was a gun the only way to stop him? No I dont think it was.

If tazing and pepperspray isnt enough then someone needs to start R&D on a new non lethal defensive weapon for cops to carry. We need to be moving away from cops carrying guns.

 

[SuperJediHero]

IF Brown actually bum rushed this officer, I doubt he would have much time to think and react.


But all these IFs are useless without more facts come out.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

So I just heard about that black teen who go shot in killed in a Wal Mart by police. Supposedly, the teen was looking a bee bee guns and playfully waved one in the air, which was a mistake. A woman in the store ( assumed to be white) felt threatened or scared by the sight and called the police. Once they got there the shot and killed the kid and he did NOTHING. The situation shocked another person in the store so bad they had a heart attack and DIED. This trend is becoming a real issue. I don't know what it is with white people being threatened by ANYTHING a black male does but it's truly sickening.

As you can tell from my avatar, I am a black male. With the Trayvon murder, Mike Brown murder, and this Ohio teen murder, I am hyper aware of my surroundings and how I act when I am in stores and around a lot of white people, just because I don't want some cop to come shoot me on sight and come up with some BS reason for feeling threatened. I have friends who are white and I when I go visit them I too am aware of their neighbors etc so they don't think I am trying to break in someone's home etc. Its sad I have to do these things really. America is falling apart fast.

 

[Marvolo]

IF Brown actually bum rushed this officer, I doubt he would have much time to think and react.


But all these IFs are useless without more facts come out.

Then train cops to reach for their tazor before their gun. It can be done. Cops have it in their head that their gun is their go to response. That needs to change. And it can change with better comprehensive training.

My main thing tho is cops defensive weaponry and equipment isnt changing or being developed all that well. We need to research and develope a viable alternative to guns. Cops will ***** and moan at first, but they will get over it. All they need is something to stop an attacker. It doesnt have to spit lead and kill to do that.

 

[SuperJediHero]

I feel that MAJORITY of cops in the nation are good, while some make honest mistakes (But not bad in general, but perhaps saw a toy gun, and thought it was a REAL gun genuinely), then only a few are bad and murderers.

I have this level of trust with police, since I was stopped by them about oh 10 times, and not once I got arrested. And, if I obeyed them, nothing intense happened at ALL!

That's just my experience with police, and I can not understand all these outcries about innocent people who don't even honestly do anything wrong get trouble with the police.

Yeah, heated arguing with police, is certainly a wrong I would say.


Anyway, do we have a thread on the beheading of James Foley? That is SO terrifying!!!

 

[Evelisse]

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[Breogan]

One week ago
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Officer was treated for injuries.

Apparently no media or discussion followed up on that since it didn't follow or make good headline as part of the "correct" narrative.
People will continue to ignore this.
I guarantee this will come up as HUGE evidence in the Grand Jury though.
They will not ignore it, and people and the media will act ignorant and suddenly all surprised.
Whaaaat, he was injured? ...but nobody said so?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The problem with the "He didn't have choice, he rushed him" is even if you believe that Brown charged, according to what we have heard about the cop's side of the story, he gave some sort of chase. So the officer had plenty of time to pull out his taser or choose to pull out his taser. Why did he pull out his gun against someone he knew was unarmed?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/


Seems to be the exact sentiment I talked about a couple days ago! Totally Agreed!!!

Actually, a lot of people agree about it, despite it seems to be an unpopular opinion at this point. I do notice the mass anger in the comment section though *Shrugs*

Don't challenge me? That screams power trip.

I feel that MAJORITY of cops in the nation are good, while some make honest mistakes (But not bad in general, but perhaps saw a toy gun, and thought it was a REAL gun genuinely), then only a few are bad and murderers.

I have this level of trust with police, since I was stopped by them about oh 10 times, and not once I got arrested. And, if I obeyed them, nothing intense happened at ALL!

That's just my experience with police, and I can not understand all these outcries about innocent people who don't even honestly do anything wrong get trouble with the police.

Yeah, heated arguing with police, is certainly a wrong I would say.


Anyway, do we have a thread on the beheading of James Foley? That is SO terrifying!!!

I don't know your race, I don't know where you live, but I have seen this kind of response before. You bring up James Foley, is it your experience to see a reporter beheaded in your town? How about held captive for doing their job? Does that mean it doesn't happen?

Just because it isn't your experience, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. A badge doesn't mean you get to do what you like. I am lucky to not have been stopped and frisked dozens of time in my life just because of my skin color or where I live. I can't imagine the frustration.

Police officers are trained. If they can't deal with a little heated arguing, they shouldn't be cops.

 

[Marvolo]

Cop In Ferguson who pointed his gun at protestors and said 'I Will F**king Kill You' (VIDEO of the incident at the link) has been suspended.

Video taken Tuesday night during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, show an officer pointing his weapon at civilians, shouting: "I will ****ing kill you."

The St. Ann Police Department has released a statement saying the officer involved in threatening protestors has been "suspended indefinitely."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5695748?utm_hp_ref=tw

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Cop In Ferguson who pointed his gun at protestors and said 'I Will F**king Kill You' (VIDEO of the incident at link) has been suspended.



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5695748?utm_hp_ref=tw

Nope, not the cops at all. They never do anything wrong. I bet someone decided to argue with him, and they deserved to have their life threatened. They are just lucky he didn't shoot them.

 

[Feenix]

Nope, not the cops at all. They never do anything wrong. I bet someone decided to argue with him, and they deserved to have their life threatened. They are just lucky he didn't shoot them.

He was suspended indefinitely. The Ferguson PD did their job.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, not necessarily, but that stop and frisk may have given cops free reign to do so which resulted in higher rates of profiling. That said I think people are profiled all the time based on their behavior and dress as well not all of it is race. I don't think that is a bad thing.

Hip hop clothes is the most common form of dress for black youth and going after young men just because their fashion is urban is wrong. You're criminalizing popular fashion which causes alot of black youth to be unfairly targeted.

It's no different than harassing Sikhs for being Muslim terrorist when they're not even Muslim.

Racial profiling treats Sikhs like Muslim terrorist and innocent black men like dangerous thugs. Both are the result of lazy policing and cause countless innocent people distress.

Stop and frisk is what happens when racial profiling is unleashed without restraint and studies show it doesn't work.

 

[Marvolo]

He was suspended indefinitely. The Ferguson PD did their job.

I think it was after the Highway Patrol was put in charge and the cop who was suspended was from St Anne, and it was St Anne PD that suspended him. Ferguson PD didnt have anything to do with it.

 

[Feenix]

I think it was after the Highway Patrol was put in charge and the cop who was suspended was from St Anne, and it was St Anne PD that suspended him. Ferguson PD didnt have anything to do with it.

Fair enough.

I'm just saying that it's kind of odd to jump on this particular incident because he was suspended for it. He did something wrong and got punished for it. I understand that it shows that tensions are high and some people are reacting very poorly to it, but it's not like he got away with his threat.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He was suspended indefinitely. The Ferguson PD did their job.

I think you are missing the point. You know, the cop threatening to kill a civilian for no reason.

I think it was after the Highway Patrol was put in charge and the cop who was suspended was from St Anne, and it was St Anne PD that suspended him. Ferguson PD didnt have anything to do with it.

If true, that makes sense.

 

[Asgard]

Wow if this is true, it is beyond creepy?
Although who is "deploying" them? By "the abuse" are you implying it's the police?

There was a cop pointing his freaking gun at people not doing anything but standing around or protesting, and hes quoted as saying "I will ****ing kill you" The cops shooting tear gas at unarmed protesters and at newspeople. Dismantling their equipment when their forced to leave. Is that not "abuse"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/u...er-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=1

Looks like its been confirmed the cop shot at the two as they ran away from his car. I guess that story he told his friend about only shooting at Michael after he yelled Freeze only for Michael to turn around, taunt, and then rush him was a lie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Fair enough.

I'm just saying that it's kind of odd to jump on this particular incident because he was suspended for it. He did something wrong and got punished for it. I understand that it shows that tensions are high and some people are reacting very poorly to it, but it's not like he got away with his threat.

He was suspended because it was recorded. We have plenty of reports of cops threatening the media and peaceful protestors, pointing their guns for no reason. It continues to be defended. Was the cop who told the reporter to stop recording them suspended?

This is also exactly why cops threaten people who are recording them, even though it is completely legal. Without such evidence, they can feign innocence.

 

[Feenix]

Sweeping generalizations. Not all cops are terrible. There are bound to be a few bad apples in every police department, just like there are anywhere else.

Plus, you're only hearing about the bad cops. There are ones who are mingling with the crowds and trying to hear them out.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I think you are missing the point. You know, the cop threatening to kill a civilian for no reason.

You were speaking as though the cop "got away" with the act.

 

[Breogan]

https://***********/AsymmetricUSA/status/501822063464546304

Deploying a ****ing PMC now? Jesus Christ. The abuse is sickening.

You said "Deploying a ****ing PMC now?"
I'm asking who is deploying the PMC that you site and link to.

In a follow up twiter they say - https://***********/AsymmetricUSA/status/502036357997686784

To clarify we are not protecting state, law enforcement or those exercising their right to assemble. Escort detail augment for individual.

"Escort detail augment for individual."
They are being payed to escort and protect an individual.

 

[summerteeth]

Hip hop clothes is the most common form of dress for black youth and going after young men just because their fashion is urban is wrong. You're criminalizing popular fashion which causes alot of black youth to be unfairly targeted.
.

I don't see that as being wrong at all. How you dress and present yourself to the world is your choice, but people are going to make judgements about it. I would like law enforcement to check up on suspicious activity, I don't know if there is a way to do that without profiling in some fashion. If someone is talking to themselves and dressed shabby I would like cops to take a second look at it even if it turns out to be just some guy who was coming back from a camping trip and talking on a blue tooth.

 

[Marvolo]

You were speaking as though the cop "got away" with the act.

While he didnt get away with it the fact some cops behave this way is an issue. These meathead powertripping morons need to be screened out. I applaud St. Anne for suspending the man, but he made a death threat. Death threats are a crime. He should be charged for the death threats or at the very least be given mandatory anger management classes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sweeping generalizations. Not all cops are terrible. There are bound to be a few bad apples in every police department, just like there are anywhere else.

Plus, you're only hearing about the bad cops. There are ones who are mingling with the crowds and trying to hear them out.

A few bad apples? See, that is downplaying the point, something that happens anytime we here about a situation like this. We don't know how many "bad" or good cops there are, but it just takes one bad for there to be a problem. How exactly do these "bad" cops even make the force?

I was watching a former Secret Service member on television yesterday, and she mentioned that one major flaw in the system is that cops aren't continually trained or tested. And that makes sense. Those who might be a problem really only have to pass the first hurdle. A lot of these cops aren't use to handling a high stress situation, which is where continuous training comes into play.

And, no I have heard the reports of the good cops, along with the stories of the good civilians helping clean up stores and pass out food and supplies. But that doesn't change that the bad cops are threatening lives, and making this entire situation worse, just like the fools throwing Molotovs. And when you see these bad cops, it shows exactly why these people are protesting.

You were speaking as though the cop "got away" with the act.

Well we will see if he is prosecuted. But, as I pointed out, there have been reports of this happening quite a bit. This one suspension doesn't change the fact that cops continue to point their semi-automatic rifles at peaceful protestors.

 

[Breogan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/u...er-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=1

"Wilson was inside his patrol car at the time, while Mr. Brown, who was unarmed, was leaning in through an open window.
Many witnesses also agreed on what happened next: Officer Wilson’s firearm went off inside the car"
I'm surprised there was so much agreement here.
So the struggle and shot "inside" the car is about confirmed, do they have a bullet?


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/u...er-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=1

Witness - “The officer was about six or seven feet away from him.”

As far as how much of a threat Brown was, that's a huge difference from the narrative of 30 - 32 ft. being told.
Especially if he'd already grabbed for the gun once.

Don't know how far bullet casings jump, but showing where they landed may corroborate or overturn this.