The Dark Knight Rises Robin

[7Hells]

I think you are taking the whole realism thing way too far.
Annnd...I cant believe I just said that.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

I think you are taking the whole realism thing way too far.

No I'm not.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman himself is a fantasy he comes from a comic book I mean nobody will dresses up as a bat to fight crime. If Robin gets in Batman 3 I wouldn't complain long as he's written probably if not then is not end of the world....

 

[Stupify_me]

Batman himself is a fantasy he comes from a comic book I mean nobody will dresses up as a bat to fight crime. If Robin gets in Batman 3 I wouldn't complain long as he's written probably if not then is not end of the world....

I think what he meant was that Batman is for more realistic than Robin. As in Batman might some how be possible or is possible if you change one or two minor details where as Robin is just complete fantasy not possible in any way.

 

[7Hells]

It's like everyone has started dressing up as their favourite species of animal/bird etc.

As soon as Batman appears, people think: "I know, I'll dress up as a Cat and become a villain!" or... "Hey! I like Robin's, I'll dress up as a Robin and help Batman!" It's like these people are just walking into Bruce's life, such a stupid idea.

ok lets use your logic here. realism.
It is realistic to believe that, after Batman, any new hero or anti-hero to develop would take his cue (out of inspiration or mockery) and create/name their superhero like his. Using an animal. Thats how they were introduced to the idea of a superhero, so naturally, thats who they will model themselves after.

 

[Savage]

Catwoman has a thing for cats and becomes a catburglar...The name makes freakin sense!

Robin is named because of Robin Hood the character as well as the bird because of his great agility. Another one that makes sense.

Sure they were both inspired by Batman's appearance in a way but you have to remember that Robin was going to do this, with or without Batman's help. What Batman does is makes sure he doesn't get killed while doing it.

 

[mcallima]

And for anyone who doesn't like the circus back story, how about a troupe of actors? They're big today in theatre performances.

I have no problem with the circus back-story. In fact, I love Robin's origin. It's tragic and adds a lot to the Batman mythos. My problem is with a 13-year-old crime fighter.

1. It's campy.
2. It's impossible (he'd get killed the first night out)
3. It would be irresponsible (and horribly immoral) for Batman to endanger the life of a child.

I have no problem with Dick's parents being killed. By all means have Bruce adopt him and focus on the parallels of their lives, but don't have an asskicking teenybopper out there. Even Bruce didn't become Batman until he reached adulthood.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

And using the idea of a 65-year old man or a dog also being able to commit a crime is ridiculous.

Ridiculous..? Are you from this planet...?

A 95-year old man can commit a crime, can he not? A dog can severly injure it's owner, resulting in death - which is a way of punishing a dog for it's crime. So, how in god's name is the whole idea ridiculous...?

What realistic events have a man dressed as a bat?

Batman Begins shows that the whole idea is realistic. He finds a bullet proof costume - not impossible. He wants his enemies to share his fear, so he orders a bat symbolized mask to generate fear... again, not impossible.

I never said Robin was an impossibility, because obviously it wouldn't be impossible for a man to dress up as a Robin (laughs), but come on, use your common sense - People would be dressing up left, right and centre.

People dressing up as Cats, people dressing up as Robin's, people dressing up as Bat's... it's just out of proportion, and not realistic.

Yes, they are possible, but not realistic. Batman's concept is realistic, because he began the trend. He has his reasons, that's partly why Batman Begins was so successful.

Why do you think Batman Forever and Batman & Robin failed? Yes, the nipples were hideous... but if you go into the depths, you will find that Robin ruined both of these movies.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

The way you compare a 95 year old man and a dog to characters from the comic who would have the skills to perform the crimes that the characters from the comics perform is what's ridiculous.

The truth hurts...

I see you avoided the part of how you said the name based on what they like being stupid and the gender based crime thing.

I read it, and I didn't think anything of it. If I felt you were totally wrong, I would have commented. You weren't totally wrong - so I didn't comment.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

I'm sorry but you're an idiot if you think that's reason enough for no Robin, or Catwomanor anyone else that you might not like.

If you think Robin is a good idea, then you obviously haven't seen BF, and B&R - or you know absolutely nothing about Batman, and the whole concept of Batman.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Yet you haven't proved me wrong...

 

[Two-Face]

Sure Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were bad movies but Robin didn't kill the franchise it was the different direction that killed old franchise but I'm in the Batman loner side if they introduce Robin in third or fourth movie I will be ok with it long as it's written good.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Don't need to. You do it yourself.

Not once have I proved myself wrong.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Sure Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were bad movies but Robin didn't kill the franchise it was the different direction that killed old franchise but I'm in the Batman loner side if they introduce Robin in third or fourth movie I will be ok with it long as it's written good.

Robin didn't destroy the franchise, he partly destroyed the franchise.

 

[fabman]

@ Mr. Superhero: That's why I thought Chris O' Donnel's casting as Robin was an improvement... or The Animated (Timm/Dini) Robin...

 

[Savage]

Not once have I proved myself wrong.

Yes you do. You say stupid illogical crap all the time like "Someone dressing like a Cat? hahaha! A bird? AAAHAHAHAHAHA! But a bat? Ohf coursethat makes perfect sense!".

 

[7Hells]

Ridiculous..? Are you from this planet...?

A 95-year old man can commit a crime, can he not? A dog can severly injure it's owner, resulting in death - which is a way of punishing a dog for it's crime. So, how in god's name is the whole idea ridiculous...?

Its ridiculous in the context of your argument. You compared both of these scenarios to a female criminal. Thats why it was ridiculous.

Batman Begins shows that the whole idea is realistic. He finds a bullet proof costume - not impossible. He wants his enemies to share his fear, so he orders a bat symbolized mask to generate fear... again, not impossible.

So basically all Nolan has to do to make these other characters realistic for you is show their origin. I believe thats what the argument is about. If Nolan can make a guy dressing as a bat to fight crime make sense he will have no problem explaining Robin or Catwoman.

 

[StorminNorman]

Robin can be done realistically - he IMO would just not be able to be a full partner with the Dark Knight (that status should only be given when he becomes Nightwing) - however a side kick first being used more as a scout would fit perfectly well in Nolan's world - as would the Orical.

Now as far as Catwoman goes, I see no reason why she could not be introduced into the films the same way she is in the comics.

 

[7Hells]

Robin can be done realistically - he IMO would just not be able to be a full partner with the Dark Knight (that status should only be given when he becomes Nightwing)

Totally, but I have an affinity for Nightwing so my opinion is biased

 

[trustyside-kick]

Robin can be done realistically - he IMO would just not be able to be a full partner with the Dark Knight (that status should only be given when he becomes Nightwing) - however a side kick first being used more as a scout would fit perfectly well in Nolan's world - as would the Orical.

Now as far as Catwoman goes, I see no reason why she could not be introduced into the films the same way she is in the comics.

I kinda agree with what you said about Robin...personally I would like them to show him being trained and possibly the Gauntlet but never put on the costume and go fight crime. Perhaps at the end they could have his costume made or something or designs drawn.

I don't want Catwoman to appear in the Nolan films...nothing against the character I just do not feel the need for her...I want stories with other villains overlooked or rarely used.

 

[Matt.S99]

If you think Robin is a good idea, then you obviously haven't seen BF, and B&R - or you know absolutely nothing about Batman, and the whole concept of Batman.

ever heard that no 2 ppl are alike?nolan will make robin dark no nippley and whiney(spelling)

 

[Stupify_me]

ever heard that no 2 ppl are alike?nolan will make robin dark no nippley and whiney(spelling)

I love how you mention no two people are alike. Because you know you are one to talk calling him an idiot and all just because he doesn't agree with you.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't want Catwoman to appear in the Nolan films...nothing against the character I just do not feel the need for her...I want stories with other villains overlooked or rarely used.

I agree, however I think that characters like Penguin and the Riddler should be ditched before Catwoman. She is by far one of the most intresting Bat-Foes and one of the few characters that plays a big role in both the lives of Bruce Wayne and The Batman. Batman needs a love intrest (according to WB) - why not Miss Kyle?

 

[Stupify_me]

I agree, however I think that characters like Penguin and the Riddler should be ditched before Catwoman. She is by far one of the most intresting Bat-Foes and one of the few characters that plays a big role in both the lives of Bruce Wayne and The Batman. Batman needs a love intrest (according to WB) - why not Miss Kyle?

I think she is one of if not the least interesting foe however as a good guy I enjoy her especially after Hush.

 

[CConn]

I think she is one of if not the least interesting foe however as a good guy I enjoy her especially after Hush.

The thing that makes Catwoman interesting as a villain is that she's - at least partially - a "good guy" too.