Rogue is a useless character...

[Goofball]

First off I'd just like to say this is an awesome message board, and I love coming here every chance I get to see what's going on.

Anyways, I grew up watching the 90's cartoon, I've never even read a comicbook before (although I'm startin to think I'm missing out a lot). So the only versions of Rogue I've ever really seen are the 90's cartoon version (which is a very confident outgoing person), and the movie version. When I grew up watching the cartoon (around 10 to 13yrs old), I liked her character a lot, because she had superstrength and she could fly; I didn't even realize she had the power to absorb people's energy until I grew up. Her power to fly and her super strength overshadowed her power to absorb, which is her actual power. So I would definitely say I like the movie rogue better. She seems to have far more personality with just her absorbing power. And on the plus side (for me anyways), I think Anna Paquin is hot.

Just my two cents.

 

[realestmutant45]

Rogue needs Gambit! He'll make her sassy and aware of her sexy side. Plus it'll make Rogue more confident thus making her more like comic Rogue. Comic Rogue is so cool.

I agree.Bobby's too goodie to shoe for her,gambit would change her around.Welcome^^^

 

[britrogue]

I don't think Rogue is a useless character at all. She's definately been portrayed as the victim, and every story needs one of those!
I would like to see her come out of her shell now though.

 

[ljr]

I agre,rogue was the charcter that made you feel for the mutants plight.But she needs to prove she is more than just a object of pity.Which she did do briefly in previous x-movies,but x3 is her time to shine.

 

[NocturnalMadman]

Rogue is actually my favouriote character in the movie verse so far...I'm so sick of the people wanting super strength and flight, when she didn't even originally have those abilites when she was a teen in the comics.

I love Anna as Rogue, she sells her part to me, her emotion is spot on.

My only complaint is the handling of her powers so far...they weren't even properly explained and re-introduced in X2, just constantly referenced but not shown why until way into the film where she kissed Bobby. They also never said about being able to absorb others powers so the Pyro scene would have confused movie goers who didnt see the film.

And that was it for powers in X2... but judging by the looks of Roges story in X3 there doesnt seem to be much hope of her using her powers more...

 

[ljr]

I agree with you,except about x3,I have a feeling she'll use her powers in a cool way.

 

[ljr]

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[RaZaTrOn]

totally agree NocturnalMadman

 

[rjb182]

Hmm.

You know, it's interesting... when I saw the first movie, I probably hadn't read an X-Men comic in ten years. I knew the basic characters, but I wasn't at all hung up on details.

And I *loved* movie-Rogue. Her whole plotline with Logan was THE best part of the movie for me-- the part that took me beyond "Yeah, that was decent" and into "Wow, I'd better read the comics again to see what I missed!"

I was actually fairly annoyed when I found out those two characters seemed to barely know each other in the comics. "Gambit"-- who's that?!

Now, of course, I understand that they took a lot of liberties with the movie versions, especially with Rogue. And I'm not sure whether all of those changes were good ones. But that's looking back.

So I can see both sides...

Movie-Rogue was written as a cross between Jubilee and Kitty Pryde in some ways, and I liked that because... well, because I liked Kitty Pryde (and now that I know her, Jubilee) better than Rogue. And it was more realistic than the Rogue from the cartoons and recent comics, I think, because as has been said in this discussion: Rogue SHOULD be dark. Her powers SHOULD make her nervous and wary, not flirty and sassy. And for me, as a newcomer to the first movie, it totally worked. If it hadn't, I almost definitely wouldn't be here today.

On the other hand...

Rogue didn't have much to do in X2. As much as I like Anna Paquin as an actress (and she's PLENTY attractive), I can see where she's not at all the type that most fans would have envisioned for comic/cartoon Rogue. AND... now that I know comic-Rogue a little better, I like her too and would have liked to see someone a little more like her on the screen.

I don't think she needs her Miss Marvel (or Sunfire, now, I guess) powers, because how would you explain that in a movie? "Oh, by the way, I can fly and I have super-strength because I accidentally absorbed a random Supergirl character you've never heard of and she's not even in this movie but take my word for it?" But a little more of the sass and some offensive capability would be nice.

So... in the end, this is what I hope for from X3 (note that these are my wishes, and NOT spoilers):

1) Keep movie-Rogue pretty much as she is, but give her more to do and let her keep growing up.

2) Recognize that she's a different person from the comic-book version, and THAT'S OKAY, because it's just an interpretation.

3. At some point, all the same, she needs to kick a villain's butt and call him "sugah." It's like Wolverine finally saying "Hey, bub!" to Sabretooth in X-Men... it just has to happen.

If we could get all that, plus a scene or two of the friendship with Logan that I enjoyed so much in the first film, I'd go home happy.

 

[AeonFlux]

Ok can anyone answer this (so far no one has been able to!) HOW IN THE HELL did Anna packin get casted for the role of Rogue let alone even thought of when she is one of the worst choices they could have picked!?!?!?! She has never said in her interviews nor has anyone else! What is the big secret? What did she sleep with the casting director or something cause that's the only way I could see how she got the role. She is NOTHING like Rogue! And I agree 100% with everyone who doesn't like her! And for those who think those of us who dislike Anna only like Rogue for her super strength and flight, your wrong! The main thing I love about Rogue is that she cannot touch another living thing without hurting it and her whole personality! If Rogue never had super strength and flight she still would be my fav X-Woman! Anna just stinks as her! Yeah Rogue is uneasy and stuff about her real powers but she was NEVER a damse in distress and a whiny little whimp that couldn't take care of herself! I know the character Rogue very much I've read most of the comics with her(from the very beginning of her to the mid 90s comics). She was feisty, fiery, and chick with attitude! Anna portrays her as a person who has no mind of her own and needs others in order to know when she can breathe! And don't say it's not Anna's fault Rogue sucks. Cause yes it is! It may not be her fault all the way but it is definitly halfway! Look at Halle and Hugh they fought with the director to get their characters more like they are supposed to be. What Anna has no brain? She can't see the way her movie version Rogue is nothing like the real Rogue? Looks to me like Anna wasn't acting at all in the movie because in real life she can't stand up for things and in the movie she can't either. And I can't believe she had the guts to say this. In an interview she said Rogue sucks because she doesn't blow things up(meaning her powers don't allow her to, and she was speaking of comic book Rogue!)! Well yeah that's Rogue! If you don't like her then why the hell are you even playing her!?

 

[JackBauer]

Ok can anyone answer this (so far no one has been able to!) HOW IN THE HELL did Anna packin get casted for the role of Rogue let alone even thought of when she is one of the worst choices they could have picked!?!?!?! She has never said in her interviews nor has anyone else!

Bryan Singer thought that a good, Academy Awarded actress could handle it.

What is the big secret? What did she sleep with the casting director or something cause that's the only way I could see how she got the role.

ugh, that's so stupid it doesn't even deserve a proper response...

She is NOTHING like Rogue! And I agree 100% with everyone who doesn't like her! And for those who think those of us who dislike Anna only like Rogue for her super strength and flight, your wrong! The main thing I love about Rogue is that she cannot touch another living thing without hurting it and her whole personality! If Rogue never had super strength and flight she still would be my fav X-Woman!

funny, because that part was pretty well portrayed in the films. it was actually the best part about movie Rogue.

Anna just stinks as her! Yeah Rogue is uneasy and stuff about her real powers but she was NEVER a damse in distress and a whiny little whimp that couldn't take care of herself!

She was feisty, fiery, and chick with attitude! Anna portrays her as a person who has no mind of her own and needs others in order to know when she can breathe!

movie Rogue's more unsure of herself because she doesn't have super strenght, she doesn't have flight. her powers, specially in the first film, are just one big curse, with no flip side to it.

put yourself in her shoes: being a fifteen year old girl can be complicated enough. add the fact that not only did she find out she cannot directly touch another human being without causing serious harm, she found out by putting her boyfriend in a coma. now, a while after that, she is completely alone in the world, away from her family and friends, being relentlessly chased left and right by people who can do a whole mess of damage with little effort, who want to exploit her and her powers for less than honorable purposes.

I kind of doubt you'd be too feisty and fiery...

And don't say it's not Anna's fault Rogue sucks. Cause yes it is! It may not be her fault all the way but it is definitly halfway! Look at Halle and Hugh they fought with the director to get their characters more like they are supposed to be. What Anna has no brain? She can't see the way her movie version Rogue is nothing like the real Rogue? Looks to me like Anna wasn't acting at all in the movie because in real life she can't stand up for things and in the movie she can't either. And I can't believe she had the guts to say this.

first of all, Halle was thinking first of getting more screentime than anything else. if she's so concerned about the movie following the source material, why the f**k would she do that piece of s#!t "Catwoman" movie? so there goes that.

second, it's NOT Anna's fault Rogue's different. it shouldn't matter to her if the character's close enough to the source material, it should matter to the writers. to Anna, what matters is if the script and her character are interesting to her. like it or not, the character was still interesting, and made a lot more sense than if she was acting all sassy when she had no reason to.

bottom line is you're just pissed they changed the source material and you're taking it out on Anna Paquin. juvenile doesn't begin to describe it...

In an interview she said Rogue sucks because she doesn't blow things up(meaning her powers don't allow her to, and she was speaking of comic book Rogue!)! Well yeah that's Rogue! If you don't like her then why the hell are you even playing her!?

point that interview out, link it, prove it.

even if she did say that, she took the job because she found movie Rogue interesting. as you said it yourself, more than enough, they're different.

everyone's got their own opinion. just because her opinion doesn't match yours, doesn't make her an idiot. it makes you one for not accepting a difference of opinion.

 

[HughJackFan420]

i think this thread is USELESS

 

[JackBauer]

true. then again, most are.

 

[Holy spirit]

X3 better be a long movie otherwise we will never know. I have a feeling this will top both the other films. Rogue like storm needs action, why can't she turn metal or replicate a power, maybe take some form everyone and be super some how. We needed a model body for a rogue charater likr the comics and a foxy one. But at least we have oscar class in the XMEN movies.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

I always hated Rogue. It's nothing personal. I think the X Men movies would have been better if Logan had actually killed her in X1.

 

[Enlight]

I always hated Rogue. It's nothing personal. I think the X Men movies would have been better if Logan had actually killed her in X1.

So Cold. So cold.

 

[thegameq]

A movie isnt a comic book.

Do you mean that statement as a declaration that a movie shouldn't be a comic book, or just that in this case it should for the sake of non fans?

Frankly, it's pretty obvious that Rogues's character was initially intended to be the viewpoint from which the audience would see the movie, i.e., teenager having to cope with newfound strange abilities in a strange new world, blah, blah, etc., etc., teenage angst, etc., etc. Ok, fine. I can let that one go because it makes sense and works under the supposition that the audience or non fans (that most seem to assume are brain dead and unsophisticated) need a film such as X-men spoonfed to them in an manner they can comprehend--it wasn't totally necessary, but ok.

Now that the intoductions are over the character should definitely be given more breadth. I could have said depth, but what's the point. This is the last film. Too little to late.

 

[thegameq]

A direct translation isnt necessary and often wont work.

Film is not a comic book.

These people just dont seem to understand that.

Why? If Raimi could do it with SM why can't it be done with the X-films?
As, I've said before, the only reasons most people offer up for not doing the X-films as a CB movie are nothing more than excuses. The only somewhat viable excuse is business related; to make an X-film the way the fans would have wanted would have no doubt made it one of the most expensive films in history. It would also have the potential to be an absolutely stunning scifi-fantasy CB film.

You know, I have to say, I find it very dissappointing that so many fans of the comics so easily and readily accept what's been done to such beloved characters. I'm almost equally stunned at the lack of vision on these boards (a fan based board no-less!!). It seems the best they can do when envisioning an X-men movie is either conservative (current X-films) or WOT (Power Rangers).

Do you not see the comic as the writers intended?

Wow.......really stunned.....but moreso dissapointed.

 

[gregtestagent]

hey all, 1st post here. didn't really see much on Rogue so sorry if it's been said before...

what is up w/ this character? this will be the 3rd movie she's been in and guess what? no flying, no super strength and let's be honest, not the looker or body type we're used to in the comics. all she's good for is overacting and NOT using her powers.

she's worse than any other character interpretation in this xmen series by far.

For now, she's a supporting character. The same goes for all the teen characters in the films. Rogue's powers will be hard to make plausible if and when they do grant them to her. The original reason for Rogue's powers won't hold with the movie storyline. The X-Men have always been character driven, and the tradition is "More characters, more entertainment." So, are you proposing to eliminate primary characters from the films and supplant them with obscure/less persuasive characters? why not just keep the primary characters and "add" more? it's hell on production and screen-time, but I'm sure fans like you and I will appreciate the extra characters.

 

[JackBauer]

Why? If Raimi could do it with SM why can't it be done with the X-films?

uh... ever heard of Gwen Stacy? ever seen GG wearing a Power Rangers reject suit in the comics? no. the SM movies didn't do that great...

As, I've said before, the only reasons most people offer up for not doing the X-films as a CB movie are nothing more than excuses. The only somewhat viable excuse is business related; to make an X-film the way the fans would have wanted would have no doubt made it one of the most expensive films in history. It would also have the potential to be an absolutely stunning scifi-fantasy CB film.

as I've said before, it makes a whole lot of sense for Rogue to be insecure at first, and slowly grow into a role closer to that of the comics. it would've sucked ass in X1 if Rogue was "sassy, sexy and secure".

let's wait for X3 to see where her journey leads...

You know, I have to say, I find it very dissappointing that so many fans of the comics so easily and readily accept what's been done to such beloved characters. I'm almost equally stunned at the lack of vision on these boards (a fan based board no-less!!).

gee, why don't you enlighten us then?

 

[The Dark Defender]

Rogue is plenty terrible in the movies.

Paquin is miscast, throughout 2 entire films the character hasn't contributed a damned thing to the team other than generic stuff like clumbsily landing the X-Jet which anyone could've done, her puppy love story with Iceman does nothing more than eat up screen time...

Quite a few characters were butchered in these movies, Rogue would be the worst if not for how horrid Iceman is.

 

[mutant_eye]

rogue is certianly different to the character I grew up liking, in the fact is she is still a child and not yet taken miss marvels powers.

However I think this is working well as it tells the tale of Rogue coming to terms with her own mutant powers rather than just using someone elses.
Its a growing up tale which I think fits the movies well.

 

[JackBauer]

Rogue is plenty terrible in the movies.

Paquin is miscast, throughout 2 entire films the character hasn't contributed a damned thing to the team other than generic stuff like clumbsily landing the X-Jet which anyone could've done,

good thing she wasn't actually part of the team in the first two movies...

her puppy love story with Iceman does nothing more than eat up screen time...

funny that people say they like Rogue because of the conflict her powers cause, and the "puppy love story" was used to portray just that...

 

[invincible mann]

lets wait till X3 to see how useless rogue is

 

[javon]

Why is this thread even appropriated. Just because she doesn't have super strength or flight or the fit body makes her useless, boy ive certaintly been missng a lot.