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Ok, I admit it. I like ASM. Sure, I didn't like the whole "deal with Mephisto" thing, but for those of us long-time ASM readers who remember the world BEFORE the daily comic strip dictated a not-in-character marriage to about the least likely person Pete would marry, I dedicate this thread. THere was no foundation for the marriage, especially not for a marriage with MJ. His personal sense of responsibility would not have let him marry. He chose the life of a freak instead of the life of a "regular guy." That tension between his desire for normalacy and his responsibity to being a hero caused a great deal of the tension in the books. But marriage to anyone? Especially to a supermodel? I am not here to flog that dead horse however.

I have liked most of the stories post OMD. I think the creative teams have been great, the writing and stories a step up from a lot of the wackiness of the last couple of years (the Other, the Goblin Twins, Back In Black In Black Again Part VIIIX). Things have been on the upswing (pardon the pun).

THe one thing that still bugs me is that Pete has been driven into near-irrelavency. He used to be an edgy, almost paranoid character. As imagined by Ditko, he was a counter culture, subversive icon. Over time, popularity has dumbed him down and made him "safe." I want a return to a character that actually makes a difference, one who is socially relevant, and not just designed for the side of school lunchboxes, fist bumps with the President, and Saturday morning kiddie cartoons. Pete's popularity killed him. Made him safe for kids. Made parents feel like their kids could read his comic without worrying that little Bobby or Janey might become "upset." And I don't mean just the bogus blood and guts of the Punisher and his ilk, I mean the freshness of a character that made you think. A character who had the balls to call out campus protesters, who questioned authority, who embraced the counter culture. A character who would have felt at home in the Watchmen, not the Teen Titans.

Make Pete relevant again. Don't relegate him to Broadway musicals.
 
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I wanna be the Grand Poohbah... :up:

:yay:
 
I'm in!

God, i hate, hate, HATED BND, but the book has been such a blast lately im DEFINITELY on board for the long-haul.
 
Ever since NWTD...stories has been enjoyable

the upcoming stories looks be same if not better
 
You guys and the arachnights should rumble now. I recommend either a west side story dance number fight (pictures TMOB doing a snap dance number menancingly moving forward) or a warriors costume baseball bat fight (pictures clones tapping beer bottles togethers, "Arrrracccchhhhknighttttssss, come out to playyyyyyy!"). Awesome.
 
Christ between this thread and the Arachnights one.... :o
 
Hey, it's only a joke (sort of). People have been so cranked up on OMD & BMD I thought it worth starting a thread for those who actually LIKE the new direction. And wish, perhaps, that some of the old edginess of the Lee/Ditko (emphasis on Ditko) era could be re-captured.

In fact, Ditko labors under Kirby's shadow to a certain extent, but I still think Ditko was perfect for Spidey and created a "mood" in the stories that's been hard to duplicate. Without Ditko, there'd have been no Rorsach. But Ditko had a philosophy about characters that unified his stories. Now, we get cool art, better writing, but soul-less stories oftentimes. Or stories dumbed down for kids. That's why Watchman or Miller's takes on Batman and Daredevil command such attention. They're actually interesting portrayals of complex characters. But, the film & toy divisions make it hard to duplicate that, I guess. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Watchmen is awesome and that Sam Rami, et al, get a bit more daring....
 
I had been out of comics for awhile, so I was not around more The Other, Civil War, Back in Black, and One More Day. But for some reason I picked up the first issue of BND, just to see what the new direction was all about, and found it enjoyable. After that I got back into picking up books, and even though its not my favorite title, I haven't missed an issue. I started reading Spider-Man slightly before the Clone Saga, so I've always read a married Peter, but I never really cared for it, but I understand why people are so attached to Pete and MJ.
 
Hey, it's only a joke (sort of). People have been so cranked up on OMD & BMD I thought it worth starting a thread for those who actually LIKE the new direction. And wish, perhaps, that some of the old edginess of the Lee/Ditko (emphasis on Ditko) era could be re-captured.

In fact, Ditko labors under Kirby's shadow to a certain extent, but I still think Ditko was perfect for Spidey and created a "mood" in the stories that's been hard to duplicate. Without Ditko, there'd have been no Rorsach. But Ditko had a philosophy about characters that unified his stories. Now, we get cool art, better writing, but soul-less stories oftentimes. Or stories dumbed down for kids. That's why Watchman or Miller's takes on Batman and Daredevil command such attention. They're actually interesting portrayals of complex characters. But, the film & toy divisions make it hard to duplicate that, I guess. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Watchmen is awesome and that Sam Rami, et al, get a bit more daring....


I'm with you on the Ditko bit.

He made Spider-Man as much as Lee did in those first 38 issues. He poured alot of himself into the character, and it showed! I love Romita's work just as much, simply because he took over, Peter grew up a little bit, met his first true love, and became more of an adult, and I think the art style relfected that maturity....or I may just be a HUGE fan of Romita(which I am).
 
Um...can i join too guys? lol. Even though i've been vocal about OMD/BND's problems, i cant deny it has been damn enjoyable these last few months. There's some good writers in the Braintrust that really write spidey well, the artists have been amazing (mcniven, jiminez, rivera, martin, JRJR etc.), and the stories have been very fun for the most part. I still have a few qualms about continuity issues, but mostly ASM has been a very fun book.
 
Absolutely. We don't discriminate discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, race, creed, religion, or love of bad spider-art or writing. :)
 
I'm in, but only because I want to be part of the dance number.
 

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:yay:
 
Spider-man has always been one of my favorite characters but i stopped reading comics a long time ago. partly because i started to really hate the writing but also because i just can't afford it any more. Spider-man getting married didn't really bother me because even though i see marage as incompatable with the calling of a superhero (I'm Catholic and we have celibate priests for a reason) but I also realized that Pete was always a guy who was torn in a lot of different directions. just like all of us he has mixed emotions and doesn't really have a lot of firm convictions about that kind of thing. Plus he's always wanted to be normal. he's often toyed with the idea of giving up his mask. it isn't surprising that that conflict would lead him into some wrong decisions. peter didn't lose his edge, he just turned it in a different direction as he grew older. we all do that.
 
It's not a matter of Pete losing his edge--it's that the writing lot's its edge and the story lost any sort of philosophical underpinnings. It just became another super hero tale. Ditko tried to imbue it with a certain meaning. Commercialization dumbed it down.
 
You guys and the arachnights should rumble now. I recommend either a west side story dance number fight (pictures TMOB doing a snap dance number menancingly moving forward) or a warriors costume baseball bat fight (pictures clones tapping beer bottles togethers, "Arrrracccchhhhknighttttssss, come out to playyyyyyy!"). Awesome.

We can rumble but yall are going down Hard if we do:oldrazz:
 
woah, now I'm not part of either crazy group, I just want to see them fight for my amusement.
 
With our enhanced strength, organic webbing, Spider-Buggy, and stingers, we shall overcome. Oh wait, that was BEFORE.
 
The revamp was a good thing. They are finally adding to a mythos that was growing very stale.

The new villains and a beefed up supporting cast.
 

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