Comics Would you return to asm if they restored the peter/mj relationship?

[Blader5489]

When they *remember* they're married (the devil can't undo a marriage), I'll buy again.

If a piece of paper can undo a marriage, then the devil certainly can.

Not that Mephisto is the devil, anyway. We all know the devil is Shadowy Mr. Evans.

 

[TheFlyinRussian]

I haven't been on SHH for about a year. Glad to see I'm not the only one that dropped ASM in disgust.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I'll return when Peter Parker resembles a hero again....

He doesn't have to get married, he does need to remember, he needs to get ***** slapped (hopefully by May) for being such a selfish tool, he then needs to confront Mephisto and he needs to apologize. If all that happens, I don't need to see him get married again to stop boycotting, but I need to see a Peter Parker that stops taking the easy way out and starts taking responsibility again.

 

[ragingdemon155]

There's alot wrong with the title other then just Peter not being married. Granted, thats one of the main problems, but like the above poster said...Peter Parker hasn't resembled a hero through out any of this. The guy acts like a complete rookie to the superhero game.
I also hate the fact that it's almost as if Marvel is treating everything before as if it never happened. Yes Yes I know, "only the marriage never happened" but it still feels as if Marvel completely erased the past. Hell Peter doesn't seem to remember anything at all about past situations.

My biggest complaint is that I hate the fact that the supposed "flagship" title for Marvel and Spider-man now feels like an alternate reality.

 

[farmernudie]

^Exactly.

Spidey's main series feels like Ultimate now.

WHich isn't a horrible thing, except for the real Ultimate seems to read better than Amazing Ultimate.

And on top of that, having a whole new world created by the devil doesn't sit well either. And IF this universe where Spidey has an alternate history continues...it will always be a devil created Spidey world...which doesn't sit well with me either. It makes this Spidey a REAL loser, a bum, a hobo, what have you.

I can no longer relate. I'd never give my wife away to satan to make my elderly aunt, whom i love dearly, live longer.

No matter what.

Real winner of a storyline they've got here. They succeeded, somehow, to make my FAVORITIST hero into someone i see as a moron now. Complete and utter. Moo.

 

[storyteller]

Trying to bring spiderman back to his roots was a crappy choice given the ultimate line and all the major events. Spiderman is no longer the new kid on the block. Treating him like he is just plain old stupid. Getting rid of the peter/mj relationship was stupid but the quality of the stories in brand new day arent a result of the relationship. They were exactly writing gold the years before one more day, they are doing better with brand new day since they are trying to downscale spiderman from cosmic events. Personally I really do see them making the RESTORATION ISSUE.

 

[Styleshift]

It's like batman. Sure its cool to see him at his humble beginnings making mistakes...but we all like the experienced version over the noob anyday.
Thats what attracted me to asm. but now spidey gets robbed by a common thief and doesn't care when that person has 2 items that can blow his secret. (wallet and Web shooter) he can't catch a druggie purse snatcher. and he can barely seem to catch what may be a mutant with parkour abilities. (keep in mind he swings and has long ranged attacks ) until they restore the one true spidey.....make mine batman. (the dark knight only proved it.)

 

[shinlyle]

If a piece of paper can undo a marriage, then the devil certainly can.

Not that Mephisto is the devil, anyway. We all know the devil is Shadowy Mr. Evans.

So, you know a place where they sell paper that erases marriage from ever having happened? And yet....you still have time to post here.

 

[Styleshift]

So, you know a place where they sell paper that erases marriage from ever having happened? And yet....you still have time to post here.

Ouch can you say Napalm burned??? lol.

 

[Captivated]

When they *remember* they're married (the devil can't undo a marriage), I'll buy again.

Simply having them in a relationship would be such a massive cop-out, and it would be completely ridiculous. So they're supposed to be in a perpeptual relationship without ever reaching the next stage? The whole thing would be a constant reminder of what the book used to be.

It's not enough to have them "dating". The marriage needs to be restored. The continuity needs to be restored.

Pretty much says it for me too.

What was done by "magic" or by some EVIL being with "god-like" powers can CERTAINLY be UNDONE.

I might consider coming back then... for the trades. I'm done forever with single issues.

 

[UK_Stu]

Progression to the relationship is essential, the marriage isn't.

 

[Miss Webb]

Right.

Joe says his writers can't handle writing stories about married Pete and MJ...so why bring them back together? Will they be able to write even more amazing stories about a couple who is married except for the devil, but is now endlessly dating instead? Would THAT make stories better?

This is a giant mess he made, if you ask me.

Now now, this is Joey Q. If he says it, that makes it so.

Meanwhile, I think Peter should sleep around to keep interest up. Yes, think of the exciting possibilities! Love triangles, quandrangles and even octangles as the merry fun goes from bed to bed! And this would make Peter 'hip' and relatable to all ages. After all, this fun is for the kiddies! There should be a guest appearance by the Spider God...either that or he sneaks around with Lily...that's the only thing that could get me interested in this mess. IF they could incorporate some of the new villans in the PREVIOUS universe, I'd be happy. Otherwise, I'll continue to save my money for gas.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

If they retcon BND away, I'll give the first issue or two after a chance. But if it's the same drivel I've been seein' in BND, I'll not pick up another until they hit the 50 cent bins so I can pad out my collection's holes. Hell, I even think two quarters is too much fer this crap.

Bottom line: any Spidey money I spend is goin' towards May, or backissues. Marvel made it REAL easy fer me to drop my first major title in a loooooooooong time.

 

[ScottishFogg]

I just finished reading OMD for the second time. For a while, I had so many problems with it, I didn't know where to begin. But now I think I've found the source of my contention: Marvel wants us to trust them blindly.

See, Spidey has always been a web-slinging superhero. But now he's also entered the Club of People Who Have Made A Deal With The Devil (along side Rasputin and Faust). I'm not personally against Faustian stories. But I like to know I'm getting into one before I pick it up. When I read a book, I have a general concept of what the book (and all of its themes) is about. Then I read it, ingest it, discuss it, and enjoy it.

Most stories have three acts. Comics can't have three acts as there is typically no end game in sight. The editors just want to string us along as long as they can. When sales dip, they introduce a new plot twist. And it will go on and on forever.

That's the source of my problem with OMD. Peter makes a deal with the devil and launches a new series of events that will (presumably) become the new Spider-Man continuity. In almost every other book or story (especially Faust), when someone makes a deal with the devil, they enjoy the powers and/or priviledges for a time, but then devil comes back and (more or less) sucks them into hell.

I highly doubt Marvel is going to let that happen to Spider-Man. Instead he's going to live in this new world that he and the devil has created. And we're supposed to trust Marvel that this new world is a better place for him to be in than the world he previously lived in?

I foresee a day when Peter and MJ will get back together. It might take some time. It might take a new editor. But, in sticking with the Faustian tradition, Peter is going to have to have a showdown with Mephisto.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I just finished reading OMD for the second time. For a while, I had so many problems with it, I didn't know where to begin. But now I think I've found the source of my contention: Marvel wants us to trust them blindly.

See, Spidey has always been a web-slinging superhero. But now he's also entered the Club of People Who Have Made A Deal With The Devil (along side Rasputin and Faust). I'm not personally against Faustian stories. But I like to know I'm getting into one before I pick it up. When I read a book, I have a general concept of what the book (and all of its themes) is about. Then I read it, ingest it, discuss it, and enjoy it.

Most stories have three acts. Comics can't have three acts as there is typically no end game in sight. The editors just want to string us along as long as they can. When sales dip, they introduce a new plot twist. And it will go on and on forever.

That's the source of my problem with OMD. Peter makes a deal with the devil and launches a new series of events that will (presumably) become the new Spider-Man continuity. In almost every other book or story (especially Faust), when someone makes a deal with the devil, they enjoy the powers and/or priviledges for a time, but then devil comes back and (more or less) sucks them into hell.

I highly doubt Marvel is going to let that happen to Spider-Man. Instead he's going to live in this new world that he and the devil has created. And we're supposed to trust Marvel that this new world is a better place for him to be in than the world he previously lived in?

I foresee a day when Peter and MJ will get back together. It might take some time. It might take a new editor. But, in sticking with the Faustian tradition, Peter is going to have to have a showdown with Mephisto.

You actually found the strength to read that crap again?

 

[ScottishFogg]

*sigh*

I did. I have found that I'm prone to rash decisions. I wanted to make sure my understanding of the story wasn't based on my pre-dispositioned hatred for the "divorice."

I wasn't. I still pretty much loathe it. Though, in all fairness, it is a well-written Faust story. It has all the elements needed for a compelling "deal with the devil" type story. I still can't believe it happened, though. How could our hero agree to this?

 

[imdaly]

Most stories have three acts. Comics can't have three acts as there is typically no end game in sight. The editors just want to string us along as long as they can. When sales dip, they introduce a new plot twist. And it will go on and on forever.

Y'know, so many people make this same complaint about "LOST", yet the writers DO have a long-term plan that for obvious reasons aren't going to be given away right away.

As Irina Derevko so eloquently put it in "Alias": Truth Takes Time

I'm fine not knowing all the answers right now. The writers will reveal the pieces to the story as the story calls for it. Meanwhile, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the ride.

That's the source of my problem with OMD. Peter makes a deal with the devil and launches a new series of events that will (presumably) become the new Spider-Man continuity. In almost every other book or story (especially Faust), when someone makes a deal with the devil, they enjoy the powers and/or priviledges for a time, but then devil comes back and (more or less) sucks them into hell.

I highly doubt Marvel is going to let that happen to Spider-Man.

Like the writers have said already, there IS a price in dealing with the devil. And apparently for Peter, that's the return of Harry Osborne. I'm sure this will prove in the long run to be a huge source of woe for him.

 

[Styleshift]

Y'know, so many people make this same complaint about "LOST", yet the writers DO have a long-term plan that for obvious reasons aren't going to be given away right away.

As Irina Derevko so eloquently put it in "Alias": Truth Takes Time

I'm fine not knowing all the answers right now. The writers will reveal the pieces to the story as the story calls for it. Meanwhile, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the ride.




Like the writers have said already, there IS a price in dealing with the devil. And apparently for Peter, that's the return of Harry Osborne. I'm sure this will prove in the long run to be a huge source of woe for him.

I'm assuming that you believed marvel too when they said what a blockbuster OMD would be? further more to the point stories like the clone saga? The other? shall i go own?

 

[imdaly]

I'm assuming that you believed marvel too when they said what a blockbuster OMD would be? further more to the point stories like the clone saga? The other? shall i go own?

Well I believe that OMD did sell very well, which, regardless what anyone thought about it, would make it a blockbuster.

The Clone Saga was one of my favorite eras of Spidey's history, yes.

And "The Other" wasn't very good, but again, sold well, I do believe.


But yes, I do believe them when they tell me that they have this planned out ahead of time.

Let me ask you: Do you believe that they had planned to build up to the events of OMD when they started "The Other", the unmasking, "Back in Black", etc? Many readers will agree that Marvel knew they were leading up to OMD and steered Spidey to that point by having him go through all those stories in the 2 years or so leading up to it. Yet those same people who agree they're smart enough to plan all of that are so quick to disbelieve that they could have the year or two of stories after OMD planned out, too.

 

[Styleshift]

Well I believe that OMD did sell very well, which, regardless what anyone thought about it, would make it a blockbuster.

The Clone Saga was one of my favorite eras of Spidey's history, yes.

And "The Other" wasn't very good, but again, sold well, I do believe.


But yes, I do believe them when they tell me that they have this planned out ahead of time.

Let me ask you: Do you believe that they had planned to build up to the events of OMD when they started "The Other", the unmasking, "Back in Black", etc? Many readers will agree that Marvel knew they were leading up to OMD and steered Spidey to that point by having him go through all those stories in the 2 years or so leading up to it. Yet those same people who agree they're smart enough to plan all of that are so quick to disbelieve that they could have the year or two of stories after OMD planned out, too.

selling well and quality are too VERY different things.
I'm not sure your a gamer, but the only example I can think of is Sonic the hedgehog for the xbox 360 and ps3. It sold well,it hyped well, but was widely panned among fans of that particular genre because of many bugs and glitches within it.

and since you asked me so nicely here's my two cents.
hope you enjoy long explanations. lol t:

Let's start at the other. Pete had a new direction and new powers, new body without wounds or injuries. he had friends, a wife, a place to stay without rent, plus he earned himself a spot as tony stark's apprentice someone he admired and at the end of the day he was happy. he was the winner in the other.
I thought the outcome had some interesting plot points....I wanted to see the other fully developed. yet the story telling was a bit lack luster.

sins past, at the time it was really just a normal arc but the effects were controversial which is why it got so much attention.
at the end of the day, pete jut took responsibility for the gwen kids. no really hard lasting ramifications because we never really saw much of them again except in those issues with pete traveling to france in spectacular spiderman.

the clone saga. a big event that was wonderful....but got exploited and unintentionally turned into a big confusing mess.

Now let's talk about Civil war,
regarding the destruction of the marriage it was VERY clear by the time (with comments from Joey Q. about the marriage) what they were going to do, that they had a plan. and unmasking him during this time period proved as a great opportunity for OMD.

I believe marvel is making an excuse for bad story telling the whole time...
my whole point is that only the unmasking had lasting ramifications where a reboot was needed. hope that makes sense mr. triangle head.

 

[ScottishFogg]

Y'know, so many people make this same complaint about "LOST", yet the writers DO have a long-term plan that for obvious reasons aren't going to be given away right away.

But LOST has a definite ending in sight. They've known how it's going to end for some time now. This last season makes that fact very apparent. They're not trying to keep LOST on television for the next forty years like Spider-Man writers are.

So me and you are defining "long term plan" very differently.

 

[Robbie]

I'll return when Peter Parker resembles a hero again....

He doesn't have to get married, he does need to remember, he needs to get ***** slapped (hopefully by May) for being such a selfish tool, he then needs to confront Mephisto and he needs to apologize. If all that happens, I don't need to see him get married again to stop boycotting, but I need to see a Peter Parker that stops taking the easy way out and starts taking responsibility again.

Thank you and amen, my thoughts exactly. I mentioned in one of the other threads that if I met the BND Peter I would kick him square in the business for being such a tool...

 

[RAMORE]

*sigh*

I did. I have found that I'm prone to rash decisions. I wanted to make sure my understanding of the story wasn't based on my pre-dispositioned hatred for the "divorice."

I wasn't. I still pretty much loathe it. Though, in all fairness, it is a well-written Faust story. It has all the elements needed for a compelling "deal with the devil" type story. I still can't believe it happened, though. How could our hero agree to this?

That's my problem with a lot of these stories they might be well written and have good art but if the very idea is ****e then the writing and art don't matter one bit.

 

[Dark Victory]

I'll return to ASM when it actually has an interesting story.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Amen brother... i don't get it... I mean Quesada is so tremendous when he writes Daredevil, and he really is a pretty talented writer in general. Not one of the best mind you, but WHAT HE DID TO Spiderman is RIDICULOUS