Rudy Giuliani Officially In 2008 Presidential Race

[WTFimVENOM]

You know,a Giulliani presidency with a Democratic Congress could be amazing. Rudy could balance the democrats when they get too liberal, the congress could balance Rudy if he gets too conservative...it could really push through 8 progressive, moderate years.

That actually sounds great

 

[Matt]

like i've stated before, i just cannot in good conscience back that party. i can't bring myself to do it.

Then you are as blind as those you claim to hate.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Romney has two things on his side that are incredibly important in modern politics...looks and charisma. More so than McCain and Giulliani combined. It would be foolish to write him off when he could be the dark horse winner.

You forgot that Romney is just as good at raising money as McCain and Giuliani. It'll all go down if he wins Iowa or New Hampshire. If not, it's going to go down between McCain and Giuliani and we are going to have to watch state by state to see who gets the nomination.

 

[The Chairman]

You know,a Giulliani presidency with a Democratic Congress could be amazing. Rudy could balance the democrats when they get too liberal, the congress could balance Rudy if he gets too conservative...it could really push through 8 progressive, moderate years.

Which is exactly what America needs. The whole extemism angle that has been present on both sides lately is ruining everything America stands for. Okay, maybe that's a bit extreme a belief in itsefl, but I think it's somewhat of a realistic belief nonetheless.

 

[blind_fury]

If Giuliani gets nominated say goodbye to your christain supporters which is a huge segment of the voting population in what will be a close elction.

 

[PhotoJones]

With a view like that I hope you don't vote at all. Political parties are one of the major things wrong with government. Who you vote for shouldn't be based on what party they belong to, but what that person can do to lead the nation to where it needs to go. It's the individual that should sway your vote, and what they can do. Not a political party.

well, since that post, i think i've "fleshed out" my views a little better.

 

[The Chairman]

If Giuliani gets nominated say goodbye to your christain supporters which is a huge segment of the voting population in what will be a close elction.

Giuliani is Roman Catholic.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't think that the conservatives will be able to vote for Romney. If Romney doesn't win Iowa and New Hampshire (and he most likely won't), he'll end up dropping out along with the other Republican candidates like Brownback, Smith, Hunter, and Cox. This race is going to be between Giuliani and McCain.

You also forgot that the liberal Republicans (like the Log Cabin Republicans) will vote Rudy.

McCain's numbers are very very low. He has horrible campaign people in charge of his campaign. (Actually one of my father's client, Congressman Spencer Bachus of Alabama, is a high person in his campaign. My father is adamantly against McCain, and has not been as helpful as Congressman Bachus counted on.)

Romney's major issue is his religion. There are ways around it, and if Romney can make it seem like he is not willing to give up his religion simply for the gain of more power - and blitz the TV channels with this message - he would get a big boost by making it a nonissue.
(Incidentally, my father has been in talks with Ron Kaufman - a head campaign guy in Romney's campaign.)

Guiliani has the name recognition McCain has (the strength of McCain's Campaign) plus he has a huge draw by moderates. He is also not a Washington guy, giving him a further advantage over McCain (who is also plagued by the same problems hurting Guiliani - he is too liberal, blah blah blah). Romney is his only true competition.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You forgot Newt.
Personally I think his stategy of "running by not running" is pretty damn good.
And I wouldn't mind seeing a return to the days of the contract.

Gingrich doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination. This race is between Giuliani, McCain, and Romney.

 

[mwm1331]

Either discuss this like an adult or go away. Newt isn't even a serious contender. Quit dropping the name in hopes of starting a fight.

OK.
Sure thing.
He is a contender, the fact is there are a lot of conservatives who don't like the current field.
Rudy, while the man who cleaned up new york and Americas mayor, has some positions that will disqualify him in many conservatives eyes. Abortion and Gun contro being the biggies.
McCain on the other hand has great National Security credentials as well, but again hes very liberal on some key wedge issues.
Mitt as Matt poointed out, does have charisma, and looks to be carrying the banner of the fiscal conservatives, but again he has very troubleing, and mutable opinions on Abortion.
The fact that there are no truly conservative candidates has many feeling pretty damn disenfranchised, and in the mean time newt is seperating himself from the feild, not just in his positions and rhetoric, but in his approach. The fact that he hasn't announced he will run also puts an air of mystery about him. His current narrative is " I would rather discuss solutions than candidates" which after what the republicans did to stay in power (medicare part D, Massive spedning etc) is striking many as both noble and self sacrificing.
Not to mention on a purely strategic level he is the man who planned and lead the republican takeover lo those many years ago.
So while you wouldn't vote for him, there are many who would, and as the campaign heats up, and gets dirtier, those who are sick of "politics as usual" are going to see the difference in his appraoch more and more, and hes going to look more and more attractive.
But hey your probably right I mean hell that was nothing more than unitelligible troll baiting right?

 

[blind_fury]

Giuliani is Roman Catholic.

pro-choice too.

say goodbye to all those pro-life voters.

 

[The Chairman]

McCain's numbers are very very low. He has horrible campaign people in charge of his campaign. (Actually one of my father's client, Congressman Spencer Bachus of Alabama, is a high person in his campaign. My father is adamantly against McCain, and has not been as helpful as Congressman Bachus counted on.)

Romney's major issue is his religion. There are ways around it, and if Romney can make it seem like he is not willing to give up his religion simply for the gain of more power - and blitz the TV channels with this message - he would get a big boost by making it a nonissue.
(Incidentally, my father has been in talks with Ron Kaufman - a head campaign guy in Romney's campaign.)

Guiliani has the name recognition McCain has (the strength of McCain's Campaign) plus he has a huge draw by moderates. He is also not a Washington guy, giving him a further advantage over McCain (who is also plagued by the same problems hurting Guiliani - he is too liberal, blah blah blah). Romney is his only true competition.

I agree. I personally like McCain, but I don't want hima president. He doesn't seem moderate enough for my taste.

 

[mwm1331]

You forgot that Romney is just as good at raising money as McCain and Giuliani. It'll all go down if he wins Iowa or New Hampshire. If not, it's going to go down between McCain and Giuliani and we are going to have to watch state by state to see who gets the nomination.

Hes better by all acounts. He raised over 1.4 million off the internet just last month.

 

[The Chairman]

pro-choice too.

say goodbye to all those pro-life voters.

Well, I'm Roman Catholic and I'm pro-choice. So is my father. So are quite a few Christians I know.

 

[PhotoJones]

OK.
Sure thing.
He is a contender, the fact is there are a lot of conservatives who don't like the current field.
Rudy, while the man who cleaned up new york and Americas mayor, has some positions that will disqualify him in many conservatives eyes. Abortion and Gun contro being the biggies.
McCain on the other hand has great National Security credentials as well, but again hes very liberal on some key wedge issues.
Mitt as Matt poointed out, does have charisma, and looks to be carrying the banner of the fiscal conservatives, but again he has very troubleing, and mutable opinions on Abortion.
The fact that there are no truly conservative candidates has many feeling pretty damn disenfranchised, and in the mean time newt is seperating himself from the feild, not just in his positions and rhetoric, but in his approach. The fact that he hasn't announced he will run also puts an air of mystery about him. His current narrative is " I would rather discuss solutions than candidates" which after what the republicans did to stay in power (medicare part D, Massive spedning etc) is striking many as both noble and self sacrificing.
Not to mention on a purely strategic level he is the man who planned and lead the republican takeover lo those many years ago.
So while you wouldn't vote for him, there are many who would, and as the campaign heats up, and gets dirtier, those who are sick of "politics as usual" are going to see the difference in his appraoch more and more, and hes going to look more and more attractive.
But hey your probably right I mean hell that was nothing more than unitelligible troll baiting right?

HAHAHA...in no way will the potical arena get so dirty that newt gingrich will look attractive to me...hahaha.

 

[StorminNorman]

If Giuliani gets nominated say goodbye to your christain supporters which is a huge segment of the voting population in what will be a close elction.

If the Democrats nominated a moderate, I would be worried.

Luckily for the GOP the Democrats couldn't of come up with a cast of more liberal candidates. There is no way a Conservative Christian voter votes Obama or Hillary over any GOP Candidate.

 

[PhotoJones]

Well, I'm Roman Catholic and I'm pro-choice. So is my father. So are quite a few Christians I know.

i know A LOT of christians that would say that you are not a christian.

 

[mwm1331]

If the Democrats nominated a moderate, I would be worried.

Luckily for the GOP the Democrats couldn't of come up with a cast of more liberal candidates. There is no way a Conservative Christian voter votes Obama or Hillary over any GOP Candidate.

And at the end of the day I don't think edwards "two americas" narrative will play as well as it did in the 60's
Too many people have seen the results of a strong economy first hand. Hopefully his candidacy will mark the ned of class warfare as a viable political tool.
Not that I think it will but.... theres always hope.

 

[blind_fury]

If the Democrats nominated a moderate, I would be worried.

Luckily for the GOP the Democrats couldn't of come up with a cast of more liberal candidates. There is no way a Conservative Christian voter votes Obama or Hillary over any GOP Candidate.

Many pro-lifers would rather stay home than vote for a pro-choice republican.

 

[The Chairman]

i know A LOT of christians that would say that you are not a christian.

Well, essentially, I'm a Christian In Name Only. I believe in the teachings of The Bible, and I believe in God and Jesus as well as Moses and Noah's Ark. But I'm for gay marriage, I believe in evolution, and I'm pro-choice.

Personally, I've become somewhat anti-Organized Religion. Not that I want to see it banned immediately any time soon, but I honestly feel God himself hates it since it's caused so many things that go against what he and Jesus preached, such as wars, violence and discrimination.

 

[hippie_hunter]

OK.
McCain on the other hand has great National Security credentials as well, but again hes very liberal on some key wedge issues.

Just because McCain is willing to work with the opposition and disagrees with his party from time to time does not mean that he's a liberal Republican or even a moderate Republican. He's a conservative Republican, just not the neo-con Republican nor the Nazi Republican that you prefer.

 

[Matt]

Just because McCain is willing to work with the opposition and disagrees with his party from time to time does not mean that he's a liberal Republican or even a moderate Republican. He's a conservative Republican, just not the neo-con Republican nor the Nazi Republican that you prefer.

The problem for McCain is the media and his own party (in an attempt to destroy him) portrays him as a super-liberal. therefore the public sees him as such.

The fact is, the powers of the GOP do not want McCain in the presidency. Therefore McCain will not be President. They destroyed him once, they can damn sure do it again.

 

[mwm1331]

Just because McCain is willing to work with the opposition and disagrees with his party from time to time does not mean that he's a liberal Republican or even a moderate Republican. He's a conservative Republican, just not the neo-con Republican nor the Nazi Republican that you prefer.

Yes because I am endorsing the NAZI party.



Isn't there a law that covers this type of thing, godmans or something?

 

[mwm1331]

The problem for McCain is the media and his own party (in an attempt to destroy him) portrays him as a super-liberal. therefore the public sees him as such.

As super-liberal?
NO thats Clark Kent.
I see McCain as a moderate. I don't know anyone who sees him as a "superliberal"

 

[PhotoJones]

Well, essentially, I'm a Christian In Name Only. I believe in the teachings of The Bible, and I believe in God and Jesus as well as Moses and Noah's Ark. But I'm for gay marriage, I believe in evolution, and I'm pro-choice.

Personally, I've become somewhat anti-Organized Religion. Not that I want to see it banned immediately any time soon, but I honestly feel God himself hates it since it's caused so many things that go against what he and Jesus preached, such as wars, violence and discrimination.

good for you.

it's refreshing when a religious person can take an honest look at their own religion without denouncing it completely.

gives me hope...