Rumored Marvel Reboot: Discussion

[runawayboulder]

Perhaps I'd try some Image stuff. I dunno, at my age maybe it would be a sign to quit.

 

[Themanofbat]

Image has some great stuff, but it's more enjoyable via trades...

 

[Shockdingo]

I don't think they'll do it and I hope they wont. It would just be a bizarre and unnecessary decision. So many characters are reaching breakout status and / or are getting a new push; you've got Agent Venom, , Scarlet Spider (kaine and Aracely) Rocket Raccoon, heck the entire Guardians are becoming more mainstream due to the movie and (rumoured?) cartoon series.

Resetting to zero would involve some weird speeding up of character arcs, or skipping over years of build up to have, the current incarnation show up near the start of the reboot.

Once you reboot, rather than make a spin-off universe, that damages the long term trust of the readers in some way. "Well, they rebooted once, will they do it again? Wait, I'm new to comics, but I heard of this arc a while back....does it still happen? I though X was an old man, why's he a teen now?"

So many problems could be fixed if they scaled back the events as other users have said. If you have a yearly end-of-the-freakin'-galaxy event. It gives you less time to build up, conceptualize and above all....it starts feeling hollow.

Having events in book can be fine and fun, but the excessive shipping and company-wide events hurt things. So many books have had their mojo rattled because they have to take a break and throw down in some event that messes with flow.

About the X-men rumour, I don't believe it at all, because at the end of the day, no matter how good or bad the movies do...Marvel still gets money. It still promotes their characters and mech. On the subject of the X-movies, at the end of Days of Future Past,

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At the end, with the X-men all reunited in the good future made me happy, but a bit nostalgic and sad. For the love of God, can we get back to the team united, walking down corridors and seeing Beast smile at Logan, Scott talking to Xavier, there being a focus on the school and all the petty schism stuff dropped? Seeing how brutally Colossus and others died in that horrible future-made right made me want to see the optimism in the X-men again. Leaving the movie, I felt glad to see the characters again in a school and filled with dreams and hope. Going back to the comics left me unhappy. I grew up watching the X-men 90s show and dove into all I could find. The comics, games, TOOOOOYS. Heck, I kept renting Pryde of the X-men and kept doing mental gymnastics to see how that connected to the 90s show. I didn't know too much about the history of the comics at the time, but darn it I tried hah.

To make a long story short, I don't want a reboot of the X-men or having them shunted off into limbo while the Inhumans take over. I want to feel what I felt at the end of DOFP and be excited to see the X-men again. I wanna see cartoons, and have the comics tell a range of stories, but not have everyone hating each other. It's been one thing after another; dragging on the M-Day removal of Mutants, The schism, the general in-fighting hatred. It's horrible....

If Marvel does reboot, I may just quit. I'm not 100% sure on this, because something may grab my eye if word of mouth is high enough, but seriously, I can do it anymore and just watch all these characters go back to nothing. I can's stand seeing Spider-man get his powers for the first time, or yet another "it's totally different!' take on the Phoenix storyline. I don't want to see Eddie Brock got back to hating Spidey after he's finally grown, I don't want to see Hulk being chased by the military, or a build up to the Fantastic Four gasping at this mysterious relic from Reed's past...a...Doctor? of Doom?!

 

[KevanG]

I liked how the Ultimate comics did things when they first came out. I'd hate to see them do that for the main MU.

 

[runawayboulder]

I agree. The Ultimate Line did an "Ultimatization" of as many characters as possible and it was really overdoing it.

A 616 reboot would be the same thing. They would be in a giant rush to reintroduce everyone and everything. It's a waste of time.

Just tell good stories. I'm sick of hearing about things not being new reader friendly. How hard is it too look someone up on Wikipedia to find out who they are when you see them being used in a new story?

 

[Themanofbat]

If everything is rebooted, then most of the new #1's coming out soon will have a very short lifespan...

The new Spider-Man 2099 book would be useless in a new rebooted universe...

 

[jonathancrane]

I agree. The Ultimate Line did an "Ultimatization" of as many characters as possible and it was really overdoing it.

A 616 reboot would be the same thing. They would be in a giant rush to reintroduce everyone and everything. It's a waste of time.

Just tell good stories. I'm sick of hearing about things not being new reader friendly. How hard is it too look someone up on Wikipedia to find out who they are when you see them being used in a new story?

This.

 

[Lord]

A shame the Ultimate line ended up as it is right now, they realy pushed that "dead means dead" think to exagerated proportions, if they wanted that rule, then they shouldn't have killed on a whim, but when it served the story. Then there was Bryan Bendis not letting Spider-Man grow up, so the entire Ultimate Universe also had to take place in that rough 1 year and a half before Ultimatum.

Marvel won't reboot again, but in a few years i wouldn't mind another atempt at something like Ultimate Marvel again, but this time they should let the characters grow, instead of draging the stories down by Marvel Time.

 

[PunyGod]

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[runawayboulder]

I agree. Just do months and year at this point.

 

[Shockdingo]

I'd be down for months and years. I hate the re-numbering madness as well.

 

[KevanG]

A shame the Ultimate line ended up as it is right now, they realy pushed that "dead means dead" think to exagerated proportions, if they wanted that rule, then they shouldn't have killed on a whim, but when it served the story. Then there was Bryan Bendis not letting Spider-Man grow up, so the entire Ultimate Universe also had to take place in that rough 1 year and a half before Ultimatum.

Marvel won't reboot again, but in a few years i wouldn't mind another atempt at something like Ultimate Marvel again, but this time they should let the characters grow, instead of draging the stories down by Marvel Time.

Dead means dead didn't even work the first few times. They brought back Beast and Norman Osbourn.

 

[CaptainWagner]

A shame the Ultimate line ended up as it is right now, they realy pushed that "dead means dead" think to exagerated proportions, if they wanted that rule, then they shouldn't have killed on a whim, but when it served the story. Then there was Bryan Bendis not letting Spider-Man grow up, so the entire Ultimate Universe also had to take place in that rough 1 year and a half before Ultimatum.

Marvel won't reboot again, but in a few years i wouldn't mind another atempt at something like Ultimate Marvel again, but this time they should let the characters grow, instead of draging the stories down by Marvel Time.

-Yeah, a new Ultimate-style universe would be interesting. They just have to fix the mistakes of their past attempts. If they want to do that or a full-scale reboot at any point in time, they have to be willing not to cram everyone into the first year or two. Pick the characters you want to start with and then slowly introduce more characters from there.

 

[Shockdingo]

Oh yes, and another reason they should not reboot? Moon Knight. I've never read him until recently and I'm having so much fun with the book.

 

[hippie_hunter]

There really is no need for Marvel to reboot. Their timeline works as effectively as the Simpson's timeline and no one really complains about that. They're not like DC which has no choice but to constantly reboot due to adding in multiple comic companies to their universe such as Fawcett, Charlton, and Quality, merging and unmerging and destroying universes/continuities, etc.

 

[runawayboulder]

The complaints about Marvel's timeline starts inside their own boardrooms. They can't figure out why they're not selling as good as they used to and completely ignore how the prices are outrageous and their entire line is diluted by multiple comics for the same character or team, so they blame it on unaccessibility.

Now they're thinking about rebooting because DC has done it and Marvel always thinks that anything DC did, they can do it 100 times better. So in the end they just want to stick it to DC and say nananana boo boo stick you're head in doo doo.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

The complaints about Marvel's timeline starts inside their own boardrooms. They can't figure out why they're not selling as good as they used to and completely ignore how the prices are outrageous and their entire line is diluted by multiple comics for the same character or team, so they blame it on unaccessibility.

Now they're thinking about rebooting because DC has done it and Marvel always thinks that anything DC did, they can do it 100 times better. So in the end they just want to stick it to DC and say nananana boo boo stick you're head in doo doo.

Well said.

These are some of the reasons why I've become a trade-exclusive reader over the past few years.

 

[KevanG]

I have no problem with Marvel trying anything new but getting rid of 50+ years of stories so you can maybe increase sales for a while seems incredibly lazy and stupid. Whenever they do a reboot of anything in DC I just roll my eyes and ignore it for a year until they can figure out what they hell they're doing story wise. With Marvel not every new series will be a hit but they have enough crazy things going on in various titles that keeps me interested because they'll mention things that happened years ago and bring them forth. DC can't do that anymore.

 

[Shikamaru]

Plus for DC, rebooting is nothing new. It's one thing to discard a decade or two of continuity when you're known for constantly doing this and an entirely different thing to discard over 50 years of continuity when you've never done it before. Also when DC relaunched Detective and Action Comics starting at #1, it was a big deal because they were never relaunched before, whereas Marvel constantly renumbers their books back to 1. It wouldn't have the same impact.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I like the idea of the month and year on the cover
They used to do it in the 80s

 

[runawayboulder]

They used to do it in DC but still went by numbers. It was so the reader knew what order the comics ran in during times like Knightfall or The Death/Return of Superman.

 

[Namor ll]

I doubt it, i thought that one of the major points of the marvel now imprint was to help new readers such as myself jump into characters and books without too much confusion. Im more than happy with all of the books im reading, and my list is plentiful. I really really love the little editors notes, its like giving me homework, fun homework. And if im confused i just google. I love the fact that they reference things from different eras, its fascinating to me.


I started out my comic adventures with the new 52 and i quickly lost interest. I was really into the flash and aquaman untill johns left aquaman and buccaletto and manapul left flash, those books are shadows of their former self. The only dc title i buy is green arrow, which is one of the best books out of any company.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If there were a line-wide reboot, I would take the opportunity to drop all my comics from Marvel. I tried with DC's New 52 and everything was awful. I might continue reading the rebooted Thor stuff just to see how it is, but I eventually ditched even my favorite DC characters' New 52 series. Not even Thor would be sacred enough to me if Marvel's reboot turned out as badly as the New 52 has.

On the up side, I'd save myself a lot of money and be able to focus on more indies, which are usually better quality overall than the Big 2's necessarily conservative stuff anyway.

 

[Rorschach2012]

i wouldn't mind if this happened..

 

[runawayboulder]

Another possibility I thought of is that maybe the won't reboot the line but use the Incursion to have 616 Earth collide with another Earth and leading to the resurrection of all the dead characters across the board like Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy, Jean Grey ect while leaving all the history intact. It would also be a way for them to bring back Wolverine after his death story this fall.