While you're free to dislike the movies if that's your opinion, some of your gripes are just really small. Such as the organic webshooters thing. Yeah they strayed from the comics there - it had no effect on the plot. The movie just didn't want to stop and show Peter making webshooters. It moved on and didn't pay the webs any more attention other than the fact that they're there. Peter was still very intelligent in the movies, to the point where he could correct a physicist on his calculations. That's about as outlandish as inventing web fluid and shooters in his bedroom.
SM3 was structurally a mess, and the main cause of that was too many villains each fighting for center stage. A scene with Brock showing up at Gwen's house doesn't change that.
I would say the core concepts of Spider-Man are a superpowered young man who still has to deal with common problems such as girls and money, and putting others before himself because "with great power comes great responsibility." Raimi's movies had that.
And unless you've read the reboot script, you wouldn't know if it was more witty or faithful either. Wait until the movie comes out before deciding that it's better.
Again, it's all up to opinion. I just think that you shouldn't get too worked up over some of these small details. If Peter not wisecracking as much, or having organic webshooters pisses you off, then what do you think of Batman Begins? Bruce Wayne has a made-up girlfriend? He was trained by Ra's Al Ghul? Those are far bigger changes than some of the ones that you listed, yet most people think Batman Begins was a great movie.
Hold on there bud. I never said that the reboot was going to be witty or faithful. I said I made a guess that Vandy's original script was more in-line with Spidey in the comics, which flies in the face of Rami's vision of Spiderman. You want me to go dig up that old thread to get the reasoning behind why I thought that I will, if it will satisfy you. But if you're going to lecture me on what you think my opinions should be, get your quotes straight.
You and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm obviously not going to change your mind, because things most Spiderman fans view as big discrepancies, you see as trivial, and visa versa.
You argue Spiderman quipping would have cut the tension. Although its a cartoon, have you watched the old 90's Spiderman series, or the more recent Spectacular Spiderman? Spidey quipped left and right, yet I'd argue there are fights in those shows that have as much, if not more, tension than anything you'd find in Rami's films. For instance, the second battle with Venom in season 2 of TSSM, where Venom has ousted Parker as Spiderman. Or when Peter fights the Goblin, and they are trading barbs almost as often as trading punches.
Others more eloquent that I have pointed out how the organic webshoots neglected a large part of the Peter Parker character, as well as other things Rami neglected. Also, his inability to end a movie without putting MJ in danger, neglecting the impact that the death of Gwen had on him, or Spidey facing any dangerous situation without removing his mask......its shoddy film making. Instead of finding creative solutions to allow the mask to emote (which I think it does fine on its own anyways), he makes him take his mask off for everything.....
that ticks me off more than anything Rami did in his films (well, except for his treatment of Venom.)
I apologize for getting worked up. Again, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree. But I'm not going to tell you what you should do or when/how to formulate your opinions though. Appreciate the same respect.
Haha, almost forgot to answer your last question! Batman Begins...thats tricky because that movie has a lot of meaning to me personally, so its hard to be objective. However, I'd say a made up girlfriend for Bruce Wayne is hardly something to complain about. Name me someone other than Selina Kyle who's really gotten into his heart? He doesn't have a Gwen anywhere....he doesn't even have an MJ.
Now being trained by Ra's....yeah, that was a stretch. I wish they'd have done it like it was setup to be, where he traveled the world and learned from various masters. But other than the two complaints you listed, "Begins" was a very solid, modern adaption of the Batman mythos...light years of the Burton/Schumacher films that came before it. Also, you actually
see Bruce making his gear....in TDK you see him doing detective work...HUGE aspects of the Batman character, correct? Why is Peter Parker creating his own webshooters not as vital to his character? What would you have said if Batman had organic "Batwings" coming out of his arms so he could fly?
So yes while not 100% faithful to the comics I'd say it was a good Batman film because it got, aside from a couple of things, just about everything else right. The dueling Bruce Wayne/Batman identities, all his tech, gathering intel, being out on patrol at night, NOT KILLING...all these things which were so neglected in the previous version of the Batman franchise, so vital to the Batman character, they were all there.
Now a question for you: You said Spiderman at its core is "a superpowered young man who still has to deal with common problems such as girls and money, and putting others before himself because "with great power comes great responsibility," correct? And you said the Rami films had that, and it seems you're arguing that alone makes his films great Spiderman movies. Well, Batman at its core is a kid trying to cope with the death of his parents, right? Burtons two films had that....were they proper Batman adapations? Heck, Schumachers films had that! By your argument, is Batman and Robin a good Batman film?
Look, Rami did some good things. I like SM1, I think SM2 was a really good film, and SM3 is a flaming pile of garbage. However, before you carry on about the evils of fandom turning on Rami after SM3, I was critical of Rami after SM1 when he turned Goblin into a Power Ranger. I was concerned in SM2 where Spidey arguably spent more time in his costume with his mask off that he did with his mask on! So again...(for me) Rami did a
few things right...but his vision of Spiderman -in my opinion- is no where near in line with the comics as it should be. I'd equate Rami's handling of Spiderman to Burtons handling of Batman...their approach and treatment of the title characters in their films is eerily similar.
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