Civil War Scarlett Johansson is back - The Official Black Widow / Natasha Romanoff Thread

[SwiftFox]

I'd love if Marvel announced a BW project - preferably with Winter Soldier and Hawkeye as supporting cast. Sign me up for that. Scarlett I think is long over-due for her own Marvel movie. And the reason I think BW is getting all this attention over Captain Marvel is because she's been around for so long and was just in AOU and will be in Civil War. Captain Marvel is still 3 years away.

If that's not what the announcement is, I'm hoping they final cast Captain Marvel and are announcing it then. I'm excited for Captain Marvel and really looking forward to having her in the MCU (and the fact that she's getting Legos and was in that recent Marvel Holiday special made me all kinds of happy).

 

[Stevie2020]

But be careful what you ask for - didn't Joss say in the Directors commentary that he put Bruce and Nat together romantically to encourage a joint movie for these two? Imagine a Brutasha movie full of cheesy dialogue and boob trampoline scenes

Haven't had the pleasure of listening to that commentary, lol. And barf. I'd rather see her in a half baked solo movie with Skippy the helicarrier tech as her side kick (like waaay over to the side sidekick) and Maria Hill as her comic foil, constantly spouting exposition than have a whole movie of Brutasha.

 

[Mike5575]

I'm not sure what this nonsense is about BW being favored over Captain Marvel. Yeah, her movie is over three years away, but every other week is another "rumored" Captain Marvel casting thread. The question to ask an attractive up and coming actress is if she'd be interested in playing Captain Marvel.

Infinity War II will likely mark the 7th film featuring Black Widow. The ship has already sailed on a Black Widow movie. All her covers have been blown, she already has a pretty prominent role in Marvel movies for the past several years. I would rather see a film featuring a brand new female superhero. Believe it or not, there are other superheroines. And to be honest, I don't think Bw movie would be all that successful.

 

[MbJ]

And to be honest, I don't think Bw movie would be all that successful.

We know. You make a point of bashing Black Widow to talk about how much better Captain Marvel in like every other post you make.

 

[RedRose]

They have barely scratched the surface with BW. The only thing I would want more than a movie is a Netflix series featuring her.

 

[Mike5575]

We know. You make a point of bashing Black Widow to talk about how much better Captain Marvel in like every other post you make.

No, not at all. In fact, most of my threads have nothing to do with Black Widow. Comparisons between the two are inevitable. I wasn't the one who brought up Captain Marvel in the first place. Giving my opinion that BW couldn't carry her own film is just as valid as any other opinion and is not bashing the character, either. You don't like my opinion? Fine, but so far you're the only person on this forum that gets in a hissy fit just because I find her boring. People are allowed to have opinions on characters, even if they're not very flattering.

 

[MbJ]

You don't like my opinion? Fine, but so far you're the only person on this forum that gets in a hissy fit just because I find her boring. People are allowed to have opinions on characters, even if they're not very flattering.

No, it's not a hissy fit, it's pointing out that your judgement on the matter isn't exactly a good indicator since you've made it clear repeatedly that you dislike the character. When you've already set it in your head that she's a terrible character then your opinion that she can't carry a film becomes an extension of that bias.

Not everyone shares that view.

 

[Mike5575]

No, it's not a hissy fit, it's pointing out that your judgement on the matter isn't exactly a good indicator since you've made it clear repeatedly that you dislike the character. When you've already set it in your head that she's a terrible character then your opinion that she can't carry a film becomes an extension of that bias.

Not everyone shares that view.

No, it's a hissy fit. A good indicator is the fact that no one else makes a big deal what I happen to say about the character.

You're not The Scarlet Witch, so don't presume to know what's in my head.

I never said she's a terrible character. I don't hate the character. People have said much worse things about BW than "her movie wouldn't make a lot of money." If I think a character is boring, it's not irrational to believe a movie lead by that character wouldn't do well. It's a logical conclusion to be made from any subjective point of view.

If it makes you feel better, I actually liked BW's characterization in TWS, but then Marvel screwed things up with Brutasha.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

A Black Widow movie would potentially be awesome if Marvel took the Mission Impossible/Bourne/Bond spy movie type formula and put a Marvel spin on it, much like they did with the 70's style political thriller in Captain America Winter Soldier. That is how I'd do it, anyway.

 

[Sneakronicity]

Marvel will have thoroughly investigated the option of a solo movie and appear to have reached the conclusion that it wouldn't work (for whatever reason).

But be careful what you ask for - didn't Joss say in the Directors commentary that he put Bruce and Nat together romantically to encourage a joint movie for these two? Imagine a Brutasha movie full of cheesy dialogue and boob trampoline scenes

I will never understand wtf Whedon was thinking with that relationship. If he wanted to encourage a joint movie to give Natasha the development she deserved, why not a Black Widow/Hawkeye film? Millions of people already wanted that, it would have made sense for both characters, and it would have allowed for a movie set in present time but with plenty of opportunity to delve into their shared past and really flesh them out. Bring a villain in from their early SHIELD days (or even one from Natasha's Red Room past that they dealt with earlier with SHIELD). They could have even spent time on how they two of them dealt with the fall of SHIELD, and everyone knowing all their secrets. There were just so many possibilities, I don't understand how any good writer could see that and throw it away for a romance that made no sense and only weakened both characters, and a plot device that essentially distances Hawkeye even more from the Avengers instead of working to make him more involved.

 

[Spitfire]

I will never understand wtf Whedon was thinking with that relationship. If he wanted to encourage a joint movie to give Natasha the development she deserved, why not a Black Widow/Hawkeye film? Millions of people already wanted that, it would have made sense for both characters, and it would have allowed for a movie set in present time but with plenty of opportunity to delve into their shared past and really flesh them out. Bring a villain in from their early SHIELD days (or even one from Natasha's Red Room past that they dealt with earlier with SHIELD). They could have even spent time on how they two of them dealt with the fall of SHIELD, and everyone knowing all their secrets. There were just so many possibilities, I don't understand how any good writer could see that and throw it away for a romance that made no sense and only weakened both characters, and a plot device that essentially distances Hawkeye even more from the Avengers instead of working to make him more involved.

I think Joss got carried away with his fascination for beauty and the beast romances. What's more worrying is that no one from Marvel stopped him.

But, these two characters are so different in abilities I don't know how a joint movie would work. Use Hulks traditional villains and Nat is pretty redundant (she can't fight abomination for example). Use Nat's villains and its a short fight if Hulk appears. This is why Nat is perfect for movies with Cap and Hawkeye who share similar skillsets and villains are suitable for her to fight.

Your comment about Hawkeyes family distancing him from the team is interesting. I hope this isn't used to justify including him in fewer movies after CW. More Hawkeye the better!

 

[Sneakronicity]

I think Joss got carried away with his fascination for beauty and the beast romances. What's more worrying is that no one from Marvel stopped him.

But, these two characters are so different in abilities I don't know how a joint movie would work. Use Hulks traditional villains and Nat is pretty redundant (she can't fight abomination for example). Use Nat's villains and its a short fight if Hulk appears. This is why Nat is perfect for movies with Cap and Hawkeye who share similar skillsets and villains are suitable for her to fight.

Your comment about Hawkeyes family distancing him from the team is interesting. I hope this isn't used to justify including him in fewer movies after CW. More Hawkeye the better!

Totally agree. I will never understand how nobody higher up looked at that plot and thought "You know, this doesn't actually work". Several of the actors are on record saying they didn't understand it, including SJ herself, but here we are.

And that's so true. Not only do they not work romantically, but they don't work really in any way, it's just too imbalanced.

I would love my Hawkeye, he's my favourite character, but the family plot did such a huge disservice to his character. Natasha was his only emotional connection to the Avengers in the first film (JR even stated this in interviews), and AoU did nothing to fix that. In many other versions he's like the heart of the team, and the Avengers are so important to him, they are his family. By giving him this outside family they ruin all that and make him even more of an outsider. Why is he even an Avenger? He goes out and fights with them then goes back to his family, there's no real connection, it's nothing more than a job, and is just an excuse to pack him away when they don't want to use him. He should have been right there at the end, helping Steve and Natasha train the newbies. Whedon really screwed his character over just so he could make the audience think Clint was going to die. Sadly, there's no easy fix since that would take actual time devoted to him.

 

[Voltron]

And that whole aunt Natasha was b.s. It kinda took away BW's so called mystique. And who cares about Clint's boring wife and kids. I mean did they add the kids because of Disney. Whedon should've gone with Clint and Nat that was teased in TA and the arrow necklace form TWS. From friends to lovers. They wasted Renner's and ScarJo's hot flirty chemistry that was evident in their TA interviews. SJ's and Ruffalo's AoU interviews were like cold showers.

 

[Sneakronicity]

And that whole aunt Natasha was b.s. It kinda took away BW's so called mystique. And who cares about Clint's boring wife and kids. I mean did they add the kids because of Disney. Whedon should've gone with Clint and Nat that was teased in TA and the arrow necklace form TWS. From friends to lovers. They wasted Renner's and ScarJo's hot flirty chemistry that was evident in their TA interviews. SJ's and Ruffalo's AoU interviews were like cold showers.

So completely agree. And it could have been such a small part of the plot. Since all the groundwork was already there it wouldn't have required much focus so that time could have been used in other ways.

Unfortunately we're now stuck with two half-baked relationships, and it sounds from recent SJ interviews that the Bruce thing will be referenced in CW. If she's still pining for him a year later even though they never even got past the flirting stage I will not be pleased. I at least have hope that Natasha's general characterization will be better, though before AoU I also thought that she was the one character I didn't have to worry about Whedon doing poorly. ha.

 

[RedRose]

I'm like the only one but I would so be ok with Clints wife being killed off - yes yes I know, Fridging and all that. And I actually like her. But you know how Natasha said "there's no place for me in this world"? That's how I feel about the wife lol

The kids would be too sad though.

 

[Sneakronicity]

I'm like the only one but I would so be ok with Clints wife being killed off - yes yes I know, Fridging and all that. And I actually like her. But you know how Natasha said "there's no place for me in this world"? That's how I feel about the wife lol

The kids would be too sad though.

Nah, I would be okay with it too. She was a plot device, not a character, and even in Ultimates her prime function was to die. The only reason I wouldn't want that is because it would just further ruin Clint. He is Hawkeye, not Punisher (I know, Ultimates, but we don't speak of that). I'd rather he get divorced and be a full time Avenger. That's definitely a Clint Barton thing to do lol.

 

[TalismanRing]

I never bought Clint and Nat as a couple so I don't care they didn't go in that direction. I don't see what Clint as a character in the MCU would actually bring to a romantic relationship with Nat. He's so out of her league.

I liked Clint's wife an his kids were pretty much non entities so... eh. Nat and Bruce could have worked if it was handled better. But the pairing Whedon should have gone for if he wanted a spin off movie from the story line is Clint and Hulk because those Clint/Hulk interactions in EMH are gold and would have given anther great facet and pairing to the Avengers.

 

[RedRose]

I never bought Clint and Nat as a couple so I don't care they didn't go in that direction. I don't see what Clint as a character in the MCU would actually bring to a romantic relationship with Nat. He's so out of her league.

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How is he out of her league?

I think their sexual tension is palpable.

 

[TalismanRing]

I didn't see any sexual tension between them at all (I actually saw more in the first meeting between Bruce and Nat and even that was less than with Tony in IM2 and well behind Nat & Cap in TWS) and well Clint's a bit of a doofus.

 

[RedRose]

I didn't see any sexual tension between them at all (I actually saw more in the first meeting between Bruce and Nat and even that was less than with Tony in IM2 and well behind Nat & Cap in TWS) and well Clint's a bit of a doofus.

Interesting. I think they have more sexual chemistry than any other couple in the MCU. But that's both from the Avengers, and their interviews together. They just work, like Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny.

And see, I think MCU Clint isn't doofus enough! He is supposed to be moreso. MCU Clint is very calm and badass.

 

[Sneakronicity]

Totally agree with RedRose. MCU Clint is so stoic, where as the comics version is a lovable doofus, it's a big part of his charm. And the chemistry was so strong, both on screen and off, but then chemistry is subjective.

IMO, in IM2, that wasn't Natasha, that was a role she was playing, and part of it was to distract Tony and play up the sexual tension. As Natasha, it wasn't there. And with Bruce, that was just plain tension since she was absolutely terrified of the Hulk. Sexualizing that in any way (and what happened in AoU) really bothers me, personally, because of how scared she was.

 

[TalismanRing]

MCU Clint is only badass and calm on in comparison to his comic self or when he's brainwashed. When he's not being a doofus he's just dull.

They shared about 5-7 minutes of screen time in Avengers and I didn't get anything sexual or romantic from them at all. Not any more than I got between Nat and Coulson. I found her relationship with Fury more compelling even if that's obviously father/daughter.

I don't like the way the Bruce/Nat relationship developed either from the Hulk out on forward. In the first meeting though I didn't think she was afraid, but rather wary, and there was some actual chemistry there.

Nat may only be playing up the sexual tension with Tony just as she's playing up the flirting with Steve to tease him but there is actual palpable actor chemistry gong on in those scene the likes of which I have never seen between Renner and Scarlet as Clint and Nat.

 

[RedRose]

Well, he is pretty calm compared to the other characters as well. He did flip out when he trying to locate Nat, but that's understandable, since its Nat.

 

[TalismanRing]

See. Doofus

 

[RedRose]

LOL if by doofus you mean sexy cute guy, then I agree!

Also, he is taller than RDJ, are they standing on a step there?