Scream 4!!!!! - Part 3

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I don't agree nor do I understand anyone who says the motive is weak or just doesn't make any sense.

Please read.

Where have any of you's been living the past 3 or 4 years? Jill's motive is as TODAY as its ever going to get! Have you not read TMZ before? Or Entertainment Tonight? Have you not browsed through Youtube? It's a powerful social commentary on a world gone mad - which is the world we live in TODAY.

Jill doesn't want to kill Sidney. She wants to BE Sidney. She is jealous of all the fame her cousin has that she doesn't. She doesn't want to go to school and end up working a 9-5 job. She doesn't want that life. She wants to be important. Famous. She wants fans. In this day and age where everyone is becoming famous for absolutely nothing, for having very little talent, or for going crazy, she wants that. She says this herself : "I don't need friends. I need fans!" and "Sick is the new sane". And it's true, isn't it?

Crazy = Charlie Sheen.
Talentless = Rebecca Black.
Famous for no good reason = Jersey Shore (or the countless other reality tv shows).

As she was saying all this, those were all the real-life examples that popped into my head. You can't tell me it's not relevant to what's going on right now, because it most definitely is.

Yep! Agreed!
 
I saw it tonight my thoughts:

I am a big Scream fan. Probably the first R-rated horror movie I saw in theaters was Scream 2 (perhaps too young, but I loved it then and get all nostalgic now). The original Scream is a modern classic and remains peerless in the genre for its self-referential and genre-bending genius. Scream 3....eh, it was a bad movie, but since it was a wrap up of the other two films I still don't mind its mediocrity.

So....I really liked Scream 4. I saw it with a friend and she also really enjoyed it having grown up with nightmares from the first film. I think it was just a nice retro slam on remakes/reboots in the genre that even pulls a fast one on the audience (I'll get to that in a moment). It obviously is not as good as the original Scream. I don't think it even quite reaches Scream 2's level of quality because Scream 2 had some iconic death scenes that really raised the stakes more than Scream 4 did--Jada Pinkett's death was disturbingly brutal in that film and a great deconstruction of the gore hounds of the genre as they cheered her tragedy in the movie theater and Randy is my favorite character in the series--but Scream 4 is a blast, man. It is a wild ride that keeps you guessing all the way through and grinning the whole time. It is funny, suspenseful and probably the most fun I've had in a movie theater since Scott Pilgrim last year. It blows Scream 3 out of the water. In fact, if you take out the fact that they mention Stab 3 as being "based on real events" in this movie and that Cotton is nowhere to be found, this in many ways is the real Scream 3.

Also, I'd like to just give a special mention to Hayden Hayden Pannettiere as Kirby. All of the new cast was surprisingly good for the teens. But she stood out as Kirby. Perhaps because she seems to be a combination of two fan favorite characters of the first film--Tatum and Randy--but she just steals all her scenes. I knew she had a following for Heroes (I'm looking at you, Morg), but I never watched the show. But here she managed to be hip, cool, geek movie savvy (she outgeeked the film nerds in this one) and somehow pull off sexy despite that ridiculously retro haircut. She's destined to be one of the fan favorites of the series....

Anyway, now that the general review stuff is out of the way, here's the fun stuff:

I loved, loved the ending of this movie. The beginning was ruined for me, because the one review I read gave away the movie within a movie within a movie concept (ugh), so I found it funny but not very scary.

However, the ending is brilliant. I'm convinced the marketing department having Williamson say this is "the beginning of a new trilogy" was a great ploy on the audience. The fountain shot (that I hope to see in a scene on the bluray) sold these characters as parallels to the original. So, everybody thought Jill was the new Sidney. She dyed her hair brunette, she was the connection to Sid, it all made sense that they were starting off a new trilogy with her as the central survivor in a meta-reboot. She even notes to Sidney/Nev, "You're not the ingenue, anymore."

And then they completely flipped it where she was aware of this (now THAT'S META!) and was the killer. I called Charlie as a killer by the Slash-athon sequence, but I didn't figure out Jill until about 15 seconds before she unmasked herself.

She planned the murders so she could become the star of her own movie(s). It was a freaking brilliant 'No, no, **** YOU!' to all the remakes/reboots of horror movies out there, coming right off Kirby's great line reading of all, all, all those remakes we've seen in the last ten years. Plus the motive works so well for the American Idol/Facebook/Twitter generation. It's like Jill was the horror movie version of a kid on Glee who did the murders to become famous (the sequel would be a sex tape and then a show on E or VH1, I assume?). This tied into when Sidney shot Jill, she said, "Don't **** with the original." This entire cast that was supposed to relaunch the franchise with all new characters for a new trilogy. Yet, they all appear to be dead by the end and the presumed new protagonist turned out to be the killer. She doesn't need friends when she can have fans! I loved this. However, not all her friends may be dead....

I think Wes and Kevin were very clever in leaving Kirby's death open-eneded. I already see the debating on here. I look at it like this: for now she is dead. There's a chance Scream 4 is the last movie in the series. As it was really a sneaky middle finger to horror remakes (and Saw for that matter), killing off the entire new cast of potential stars just highlighted the joke. So, for that purpose Kirby can appear dead for now. However, if they make a Scream 5, they have the option to bring her back. I think they'll kind of have to if it gets made because there is only so much more steam Sidney, Dewy and Gale can provide, plus she is quickly gaining as a fan favorite. For now she's dead. However, she is the only victim we don't see die on screen (she is gasping and bleeding out when we last see her) and Dewey never specifically say she's dead. Jill assumes that and Dewey corrects her on the presumably more important family member is still alive to the recent orphan. BTW that hospital has the worse security in the world. Wouldn't nurses be flanking them as soon as she disabled Sid from those machines?. I guess it's a Halloween II reference.

Lastly favorite deaths:

1. Olivia. It was so obviously coming but was shockingly brutal.
2. Anthony Anderson (giving his character the last name Perkins was a nice touch). I know some are complaining it was too funny, but Scream has always been "too funny" and that was just hilarious. That will probably be the one people remember from this movie.

Best lines:

-SID: Don't **** with the original.

-KIRBY: I didn't get a phone call....wait does that mean I'm going to die next?
DEWY: No.....maybe?

-ROBBIE: Wait, wait....if it makes a difference, I'M GAY! (Ghostface looks at him puzzled and stumped for a moment)

-GHOSTFACE: Time for your last question: name the remake of the groundbreaking...
KIRBY: Halloween, Texas Chainsaw, Dawn of the Dead, The Hills Have Eyes, Amityville Horror, Black Christmas, House of Wax, Prom Night, My Bloody Valentine! It's one of those, right?

(btw the last one was the trailer version, I'm pretty sure the list was longer in the actual movie).

Overall, I really enjoyed this movie.
 
I'm going to slit your eyelids open so you can see what it looks like when I stab you in the face.

Or something to that awesome effect :P
 
It seems fans that hated this installment are the vocal minority, but quite a few of them are screaming out loud about it. :rolleyes:
 
Everyone in my audience would laugh so hard every time Ghostface cursed randomly.
 
I loved when he said that and Kirby's stern reply "Then who the **** is this?"
 
Ugh. I just can't with the people over on Scream Trilogy's forums. Bunch of idiots.
 
Well like 3 of them, the others just have the stupidest ideas for continuing the franchise and generally are always in panic mode.
 
I suspect they're all children. Mentally speaking. I think.

Anyways I found the quote from Ghostface I absolutely love :

I'm gonna slit your eye lids in half so you won't blink when I stab you in the face.

Amazing.
 
I really hope we get to see a bunch of deleted scenes (fingers crossed for a director's cut even though I know it will never happen) and a great audio commentary!
 
http://***********/#!/kevwilliamson/status/52955359450636288

I hope :)
 
I loved this movie! Wes Craven is back and on top form. And I have to say Hayden Pannettiere's Kirby was easily my favorite character in the film and probably in the whole series. As others have said, she was geek savy, hot, smart, a fireball, and was able to keep her **** together during all this carnage. The twist...OMG!:wow:
I had a feeling it was Jill from the beginning, but I couldn't figure out how she was pulling it off. With Charlie what gave him away for me was the look he has after Jill's ex ruined the moment between him and Kirby. He had this pissed off "I'm about to lose my ****" look and things started clicking but then he gets tied up and I was like ok maybe it isn't him and bam he stabs Kirby! I was like NOOOO! Lol I didn't actually scream out loud, but I was pissed when Kirby got it. With Jill, though, I didn't actually know it was her until right before she takes her mask off. Once she did, though, she turned into a total psycho. Her throwing ehrself around and stabbing herself was crazy and funny all at the same time.
I really hope we get a Scream 5 and that [BLACKOUT]Kirby[/BLACKOUT] is in it. Oh and my favorite line: THIS ISN'T ****ING TREVOR!
 
I really hope we get to see a bunch of deleted scenes (fingers crossed for a director's cut even though I know it will never happen) and a great audio commentary!


I'm hoping we get some of those deleted scenes. For anyone interested Scream trilogy is actually running a series called the unseen scream, pics are included. :awesome:




The Unseen Scream 4 Part 1: Opening Scene

By wicked-scribe • April 17, 2011
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The MPAA didn’t order any cuts to Scream 4, but a major amount of material was removed by Team Scream themselves. In the 1st in a multi-part series of articles, Scream-Trilogy tells you – and shows you – what was left on the cutting room floor. We start with the opening scene.
 
Oh and my favorite line: THIS ISN'T ****ING TREVOR!


My favorite line was not in the movie but uttered by the mom in front of me that took her teenagers to the show.. during the reveal: "What the ***k is wrong with these people "
 
Do you all think that because of the message of the ending. That we might finally see an actual backlash/boycott on future remakes?

Much like the Original changed how Slasher was done.

I also think that Hayden could be the new Syd.
 
Ghosty was pissed off in this one. ''THIS ISN'T ****ING TREVOR."

HAHA!!! Because he was the most likely suspect, so I naturally counted him out.

The only character I didn't see a parallel to in the film was Cotton. But I do have to say that the killer turns out to be a complete surprise, at least to me. And the way the killer handles themselves at the end was brilliant. I think the reasoning behind it all was very reflective of our times.

And... I have the same phone as the killer... haha!!!
 
My favorite line was not in the movie but uttered by the mom in front of me that took her teenagers to the show.. during the reveal: "What the ***k is wrong with these people "

:lmao:

Do you all think that because of the message of the ending. That we might finally see an actual backlash/boycott on future remakes?

Much like the Original changed how Slasher was done.

I also think that Hayden could be the new Syd.

One can only hope. Kirby was great.
 
I really hope we get a Scream 5 and that [BLACKOUT]Kirby[/BLACKOUT] is in it. Oh and my favorite line: THIS ISN'T ****ING TREVOR!

We never actually see them die. They don't get any worse wound than another character.

I really liked Deputy Judy, and how over the top her performance was. HAHA!!! For a few minutes... I thought it might be her...
 
We never actually see them die. They don't get any worse wound than another character.

I really liked Deputy Judy, and how over the top her performance was. HAHA!!! For a few minutes... I thought it might be her...

Yeah, [BLACKOUT]Judy[/BLACKOUT] was definitely on my radar. And I just rememebred this great line, "You're the dumb blonde with the big ****." LMAO, that line got a big laugh from my audience.
 
It's a shame this looks to be underperforming here. Hopefully it picks up next week or during the week or the overseas sells it. I don't understand it's been trending on twitter all weekend. So where the hell is everyone that's ''seeing it" and tweeting about it?
 
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