Scream 4!!!!! - Part 4

[Spider-ManHero12]

Favorite supporting characters: Gale, Dewey, Kirby, Randy, Tatum, Jennifer, Hallie, Derek, Robbie, and I suppose Cotton.

Those are most of my favorites as well.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Allison Brie was definitely banging as well. Her "breast meat" as Terry put it was fantastic.

It seems like whenever the killer is a female 1) she never does it by herself, and 2) she usually kills her accomplice.

Now that I think about it, so far, the third movie was the only one with just one killer.

The moral to this is never trust a woman. If she's hot and wants to bang you, there's always a catch.

Which brings me to her stabbing Charlie in the heart. Not only did she want to be a sole survivor, she also might have taken her anger on what Trevor did to her and took it out on Charlie, by "breaking his heart."

And Trevor betraying her seemed to be the final; straw for Jill. That's the thing that could have made her snap and want to kill. Because since she wanted to be Sydney and wanted the fame, Trevor doing that seemed to negate what she intended.

I mean look at the opposites.

Sydney/Billy - the killer
Jill - the killer/Trevor

It's so simple but I loved how their roles were reveresed. I can't believe I didn't predict that. You figure that since they are remaking they would turn the things from the first on their heads, but I didn't even think of that.

I've had a crush on her ever since I realized a friend of mine looks exactly like her.

Get on that for the love of God.

Jesus, I feel old. Emma Roberts (and a lot of you, apparently) was FIVE when the first movie came out! Haha.

She's a cute girl but she feels like a baby to me. I'm only five years older apparently but she just looks really young. I've still got a crush on Courtney Cox; had one for 15 years.

I was only 4 dude. It's okay, you're not old. If it's any consolation, I remember the 90's.

Spoiler

Barely.

I'd rank the supporting characters as: Randy, Dewy, Billy, Stu, Kirby, Jill, Gale, Tatum, Mickey and Casey.

Lot of great characters in this series, though I think it's fair to say most of them are from the first movie.

I also liked Robbie. My favorite line of his was, "I don't believe this. You guys are playing ****ing trivia games when there's a killer on the loose."

I consider Sydney, Dewey and Gale as the main cast. Maybe with the first, but they've proven to be just as intergral to the plot. Even though Sydney is the cause for it, they still play a huge part and still survive along with Sydney.

Notice I listed no killers? It's because usually once they are the killers they become the ''bad guys" in my eyes. I appreciate their acting as the bad guy, and even get chuckles out of some of the ****ed up **** they say, but I don't know I always feel weird saying that Billy, Stu, Ms. Loomis, Mickey, Jill, Charlie or Roman are favorites because they did ****ed up **** to people who didn't deserve it.

Really? Mickey and Jill's reveals made me like them even more. Jill's performance in her remake of the original is as good as Billy's.

You can like Billy all on your own as a boyfriend/suspect or the killer or both. I prefer both because of how smart he was. He's a 17 year old kid who did all this ****. And look at the legacy he brought on.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Really? Mickey and Jill's reveals made me like them even more. Jill's performance in her remake of the original is as good as Billy's.

You can like Billy all on your own as a boyfriend/suspect or the killer or both. I prefer both because of how smart he was. He's a 17 year old kid who did all this ****. And look at the legacy he brought on.

Agreed! I found Jill to be exactly on par with Billy. I mean, she had her plan set up so perfecty. She almost got away with it. Remembr that. Jill was one tough girl, and I noticed a handful of similarities between her and Billy. Both are pretty much the same age in the film, and they seemed to have the same mind set in some ways.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Get on that for the love of God.

Agreed, lol.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I love how even though the new generation is full of rip-offs, the main three with the most focus aren't quite as easy to decipher once you think about it.

Jill is both Sid and Billy.
Charlie is both Randy and Stu.
Kirby is both Tatum and Randy. There are parts where she's even quite Sidney like as well IMO.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yup, and those are some of the things that make me love the new and old cast the same now as well a see some of the new cast get killed off.

I just find it awesome how jill whent from being this innocent girl to being a (hot!) killer. She's just a talented (and hot!) actress.

 

[The Joker]

Notice I listed no killers? It's because usually once they are the killers they become the ''bad guys" in my eyes. I appreciate their acting as the bad guy, and even get chuckles out of some of the ****ed up **** they say, but I don't know I always feel weird saying that Billy, Stu, Ms. Loomis, Mickey, Jill, Charlie or Roman are favorites because they did ****ed up **** to people who didn't deserve it.

I love the killers. They are one of the make or break deals for a good Scream movie, IMO. If the main killer is not good, convincing, and doesn't have a decent motive, then it just taints the whole movie.

Billy, Mrs. Loomis, and Jill had all of the above. I love them for being great antagonists, and so darn entertaining to watch. They are all so quotable, too.

"Sid, don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos more creative"

"It's not wise to patronize me with a gun, Sidney. Randy spoke poorly of Billy and I got a little knife happy"

"It's sick right? Well sick is the new sane"

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I love the killers. They are one of the make or break deals for a good Scream movie, IMO. If the main killer is not good, convincing, and doesn't have a decent motive, then it just taints the whole movie.

Billy, Mrs. Loomis, and Jill had all of the above. I love them for being great antagonists, and so darn entertaining to watch. They are all so quotable, too.

Agreed, though, the whole cast is what holds the film togeather, IMO. That's what made Scream 1, 2, 3 (it wasn't that bad, if you ask me. my least favorite of the 4 though), and obviously 4 work. The fact that people cared so much about Randy and Kirby dieing really show how invested people are in the supporting cast. Maybe even more so than the killer(s). Though, I think both matter equally.

EDIT: by the way, I loved the quotes you added. "Sick is the new sane" is now a new one in the history books, IMO.

 

[kickass]

Sick is the new sane................All I could think of was Charlie Sheen and Britney Spears (back in Britney's breakdown days). Quite true, quite sad

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sick is the new sane................All I could think of was Charlie Sheen and Britney Spears (back in Britney's breakdown days). Quite true, quite sad

Well, we all know Sheen is WINNING! He's really gone crazy, in all seriousness.

 

[kickass]

I expect this will be on DVD by July or early August. Films seem to not stay in theaters as long as they used to.

8 weeks I think is the standard.

 

[Doctor Jones]

edit.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit- I might as well erase this post or else it'll come off as odd, lol.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

8 weeks I think is the standard.

Yeah. In present day, anyway.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I love the killers. They are one of the make or break deals for a good Scream movie, IMO. If the main killer is not good, convincing, and doesn't have a decent motive, then it just taints the whole movie.

Billy, Mrs. Loomis, and Jill had all of the above. I love them for being great antagonists, and so darn entertaining to watch. They are all so quotable, too.

"Sid, don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos more creative"

"It's not wise to patronize me with a gun, Sidney. Randy spoke poorly of Billy and I got a little knife happy"

"It's sick right? Well sick is the new sane"

Yeah same here. The killer's reveal and motive has alot to do with the quality of the film because it's the reason why there's a sequel in the first place. If it sucks, what the hell was the point of the movie then? The killer's plot and motive is what sets the plot up. There has to be a good reason for it to all happen.

Jill saying, "For God sakes my own mother had to die." Great line.

I also love Mickey's quotes.

"You really need to deal with your trust issus, Sid. I mean poor Derek. He's such a nice boy. He's bright and funny and handsome. Decent singing voice. And he was on his way to becoming a doctor. This is the kind of boy you'd want to take home to mom. If you had a mom."

"No. Billy was a sick **** who wanted to get away with it. Mickey is a sick **** who wants to get caught, yeah!

Agreed! I found Jill to be exactly on par with Billy. I mean, she had her plan set up so perfecty. She almost got away with it. Remembr that. Jill was one tough girl, and I noticed a handful of similarities between her and Billy. Both are pretty much the same age in the film, and they seemed to have the same mind set in some ways.

She definitely had the advantage over Billy and his mother. Because not only has alot of time gone by to make the timing of this film great, but she actually gets away with her plan as far as the media is concerned. Actually she's dead but the media doesn't know that. It makes it a great closer. Sydney outlasts the killer and is still the true survivor, while the peson we though would carry the franchise turned out to be a killer and is now dead with the media thinking she's a hero. It's a perfect commentary on the media and our society.

What I love about these films is the symbolic nature of the Ghostface killer. Like Kristen Bell said, he's not like Freddy or Jason who is this other thing, he's human. He can be a he or she. It can be anybody. I think it's a symbol for our society and how we respond to violence in our society. How we react to it, and how easy it is for us to become it. Violence portrayed in the media and society has always been an overarching theme of this series. And then these sick people take those ideas and turn them on their heads testing our love of this violence then using it against us.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

She definitely had the advantage over Billy and his mother. Because not only has alot of time gone by to make the timing of this film great, but she actually gets away with her plan as far as the media is concerned. Actually she's dead but the media doesn't know that. It makes it a great closer. Sydney outlasts the killer and is still the true survivor, while the peson we though would carry the franchise turned out to be a killer and is now dead with the media thinking she's a hero. It's a perfect commentary on the media and our society.

Exactly. Let's not also forget that Jill had the advantage because of what it's like in our society, and That's one of the things I love about Scream. It reflects on our modern society and what's going on in the world. That goes for all 3 Screams. The phrase "New Decade. New Rules" has alot more meaning in this film than just with killing and such.

 

[The Joker]

I love Jill for her insanity, but the way she executed her plan was just sloppy. I mean she has a gun but she decides to kill Sid by stabbing her. Even then she doesn't check her pulse to make sure she is dead, given Sid's track record for survival. She should have executed Sid the same way she did Trevor. A bullet to the head.

Then it gets worse. In the hospital, she honestly thinks she can get away with killing Sid, Dewey, Gale, and Judy in a crowded hospital. Not to mention the supposedly real killers are dead, so who the heck is supposed to have done these murders then?

Billy, and especially Mrs. Loomis were smarter in how they planned to get away with it. They only failed because of unexpected interference.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I love Jill for her insanity, but the way she executed her plan was just sloppy. I mean she has a gun but she decides to kill Sid by stabbing her. Even then she doesn't check her pulse to make sure she is dead, given Sid's track record for survival. She should have executed Sid the same way she did Trevor. A bullet to the head.

Wasn't Sidney stabbed twice though? I'm sure Jill must have assumed she was dead. Though, she slipped up as all the killers do.

Then it gets worse. In the hospital, she honestly thinks she can get away with killing Sid, Dewey, Gale, and Judy in a crowded hospital. Not to mention the supposedly real killers are dead, so who the heck is supposed to have done these murders then?

But don't forget how Jill said "This is...silly." It wasn't how she planned out her "Remake" plan.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I actually love that ''The end of the movie was suppose to be at the party. This is just silly." It's Emma's delivery of the line and the fact that the finale itself is just really ****ing silly.

 

[Doctor Jones]

True, but Jill actually did get away with it as far as the media knows. She didn't just have a plan. She carried it out. Billy and his mother had a plan but couldn't because they died before any of it could be carried out.

I think she stabbed Sid because she wanted to keep with the tradition. Using her own knife to kill her cousin is more fitting than using something so quick like a gun. She shot Trevor because she was just pissed at him and didn't want to waste her time with him. I think she wanted Sydney to die slowly.

Plus hey, stabbings make for dramatic deaths.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Exactly, JustABill. It was perfectly handeled. Jill even acknowledges that.

 

[The Joker]

Wasn't Sidney stabbed twice though? I'm sure Jill must have assumed she was dead. Though, she slipped up as all the killers do.

Yes, she assumed. She should have made sure. It's a flaw all the killers made to different degrees. Billy and Stu assumed Gale was dead. Mrs. Loomis thought Mickey was dead. Roman thought Sid was dead.

But don't forget how Jill said "This is...silly." It wasn't how she planned out her "Remake" plan.

Yeah, but she still thought she was going to get away with it.

Sid: "You're never going to get out of this, Jill"
Jill: "Of course I will"

 

[Doctor Jones]

I actually love that ''The end of the movie was suppose to be at the party. This is just silly." It's Emma's delivery of the line and the fact that the finale itself is just really ****ing silly.

"Consider this an alternative ending."

Yeah, great point. I never thought of that. That's a great delivery from her too. But the finale works. Silly in the context of both actually. But is works and it's what sets it apart from the others. I went in expecting another type of stand off finale.

"Get up, *****. Come on. Move your skinny ass over here." Another great line.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes, she assumed. She should have made sure. It's a flaw all the killers made to different degrees. Billy and Stu assumed Gale was dead. Mrs. Loomis thought Mickey was dead. Roman thought Sid was dead.

True, but that's a mistake alot of the killers make. I guess you could say that's one thing they all have in common.

Yeah, but she still thought she was going to get away with it.

Sid: "You're never going to get out of this, Jill"
Jill: "Of course I will"

Well, she was pretty much completely crazy and delusional at that point. If she killed Dewey, Gale, and Sidney, I doubt she would have had known what to do next.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I actually love that ''The end of the movie was suppose to be at the party. This is just silly." It's Emma's delivery of the line and the fact that the finale itself is just really ****ing silly.

Yes, she assumed. She should have made sure. It's a flaw all the killers made to different degrees. Billy and Stu assumed Gale was dead. Mrs. Loomis thought Mickey was dead. Roman thought Sid was dead.



Yeah, but she still thought she was going to get away with it.

Sid: "You're never going to get out of this, Jill"
Jill: "Of course I will"

She at the time in the house thought it would be all over. She said that at the house. She didn't expect Sydney to live. Which is how she falls into the tradition of them all slipping up and Sydney being right in the end. And the fact Sydney outlasts the killers instead of the other way around like in usual horror films.