Scream 4!!!!! - Part 4

[Jennifer Walters]

If Dewey is killed, then that gives the story some meat to work with because Sid and Gale have had their differences, but are just getting closer after the events of Scream 3 and 4, the drama of Dewey's death would be a pretty good topic to bond the two into an even better pair of friends throughout the whole movie.

Oh look. It works and even has an extra less predictable kick if you make it Dewey instead of Gale.

 

[Wolf Boy]

Got the blu-ray, i agree with people who said the alternate opener was better, i liked it, but i can see why it wasn't used, it lacks the "run and scream" type of opening of the theatrical opener which had a bit more......buzz in it. The alternate is cooler though i agree.

 

[DACrowe]

But the question is, what else is there to be satirized?

Exactly.

Long running horror series that don't know when to stop? By the time most horror movies get to their fifth installment is when they start getting desperate and doing silly things. They gave Michael a curse in Halloween, they replaced Jason, they had Freddy trying to come back into the real world through a baby, they had already started doing that with Child's Play 4, but went one step further with not only a bride, but a transgendered son for Chucky and placing it in the real world, they add a useless tack on like they do in Final Destination 5. There's always something they try to do to bring the glamour back to franchise. They can satirize stuff like that. I think that's a bit of where Kirby might come back in too.

They can also touch on the 3-D trend a bit, lampoon the under-performance of Scream 4, by maybe having the next installment of the Stab franchise having a similar problem. Maybe the killer would go after Kirby or another new girl and you could have Sid just be there for the ride or being threatened with the idea she's the reason Scream 4/Stab 8 underperformed. The killer thinks maybe the Stab needs the new blood as the heroine.

There's quite a lot left they can lampoon.

I don't know. The whole "sequels are desperate" just would make Scream 5 look desperate. Scream 2 made fun of sequels while being one, 3 made fun of trilogies while making it one, etc. Saying "we've run out of ideas....like they all do by the fifth installment!" is still....depressing, IMO. It's just one sequel after another. Besides the beginning of Scream 4, what with Stab 6 and Stab 7, plus a mention of time travel in Stab 5, more than tapped on that. Kind of like KW was saying, "This is what would happen to Scream one day if we kept going with the meta-thing until it eats itself!"

I mean I like the idea of a Scream 5 and will see it, but thematically, it feels like the well is dried up.

 

[DACrowe]

If Dewey is killed, then that gives the story some meat to work with because Sid and Gale have had their differences, but are just getting closer after the events of Scream 3 and 4, the drama of Dewey's death would be a pretty good topic to bond the two into an even better pair of friends throughout the whole movie.

Oh look. It works and even has an extra less predictable kick if you make it Dewey instead of Gale.

The thing is, Dewy is just so lovable. Everybody loves Dewy and he's almost impossible to kill. They tried to kill him off in both Scream and Scream 2 (in the scripts he died) and at the last minute, everyone goes, "Ah shucks, we can't kill Dewy, get him in ambulance ASAP!"

It's hard to see them doing that. It's not quite as drastic as Sid, but Gale has always been the most expendable of the three, in my opinion.

 

[kickass]

Well, we haven't had Ghostface go all torture porn yet...................

 

[DyeLorean]

I thought it was ok. By the end of the movie, and correct me if I'm wrong,

Spoiler

all the new faces are completely dead right? Only the 3 main characters remain alive.
I did like something thought. The notion that the main victim is also the killer. I think that should've played longer -after we knew who the killer was-. That was an interesting plot twist.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Spoiler

Dewey, Gale, Sidney, Judy, and because of Hayden's contract, Kirby are all alive.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

The thing is, Dewy is just so lovable. Everybody loves Dewy and he's almost impossible to kill. They tried to kill him off in both Scream and Scream 2 (in the scripts he died) and at the last minute, everyone goes, "Ah shucks, we can't kill Dewy, get him in ambulance ASAP!"

It's hard to see them doing that. It's not quite as drastic as Sid, but Gale has always been the most expendable of the three, in my opinion.

And Sidney and Gale aren't lovable?. Gale has a **** ton more fans in the fanbase than Dewey does. I haven't felt like Dewey was relevant at all in Scream 3 and 4. He was just there. In 3 they had to make a contrived reason for him to be in Hollywood. In 4 he just ran around Woodsboro the entire film accomplishing nothing. Get rid of him, he's not necessary at this point.

 

[DyeLorean]

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up!!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spoiler

Dewey, Gale, Sidney, Judy, and because of Hayden's contract, Kirby are all alive.

And Wes confirmed it (sort of) in the commentary.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Exactly.



I don't know. The whole "sequels are desperate" just would make Scream 5 look desperate. Scream 2 made fun of sequels while being one, 3 made fun of trilogies while making it one, etc. Saying "we've run out of ideas....like they all do by the fifth installment!" is still....depressing, IMO. It's just one sequel after another. Besides the beginning of Scream 4, what with Stab 6 and Stab 7, plus a mention of time travel in Stab 5, more than tapped on that. Kind of like KW was saying, "This is what would happen to Scream one day if we kept going with the meta-thing until it eats itself!"

I mean I like the idea of a Scream 5 and will see it, but thematically, it feels like the well is dried up.

I agree here. All of what Bill said is interesting, but it just refelcts upon this frnachise. This is meta, but it's still about making a watcheable and quality film. Wouldn't it get ridiciulous if it starts poking fun at itself and more self aware for a fifth time? I mean the more they address these things to us, the more silly it becomes. They just got away with it in Scream 4. Scream 5 I'm not so sure. Though hell, I think we all had some doubts on the fourth and look how that turned out. So who knows. Maybe they do have something. But still, I'm afraid the more this franchise satirizes itself, the more it becomes the thing it satirizes, but is self aware, and will appear to just be snobbish. That's the worst case scenario.

 

[DyeLorean]

Maybe they just need to tweak the franchise a little bit. The fourth one was just a repetition of what we know. Maybe it needs to get away from the 'small town', or even give Ghostface something more to do than just go around with a knife.
I don't mind them being self aware most of the time, but they should use that for their advantage, to cheat the rules of scary movies. Not just being self aware because it runs in the franchise.

 

[DACrowe]

And Sidney and Gale aren't lovable?. Gale has a **** ton more fans in the fanbase than Dewey does. I haven't felt like Dewey was relevant at all in Scream 3 and 4. He was just there. In 3 they had to make a contrived reason for him to be in Hollywood. In 4 he just ran around Woodsboro the entire film accomplishing nothing. Get rid of him, he's not necessary at this point.

I thought Dewy's simple relationship with Sid and their brief scenes together made him more important to S4 than Gale. She just kind of ran around on the C-storyline (A and B alternating between Sid and Jill and her friends) that ended halfway through the movie at Stabathon. Dewy's importance to Sid just made him more memorable while Gale kind of faded to the back to me. Like when Dewy gets beaten with a bedpan and just his relationship with Deputy Judy gave him more memorable things to do. I like Gale a lot, but she just kind of does the same thing over and over to me. I guess so does Dewy, but I find his shtick more refreshing and unique in this genre.

I agree here. All of what Bill said is interesting, but it just refelcts upon this frnachise. This is meta, but it's still about making a watcheable and quality film. Wouldn't it get ridiciulous if it starts poking fun at itself and more self aware for a fifth time? I mean the more they address these things to us, the more silly it becomes. They just got away with it in Scream 4. Scream 5 I'm not so sure. Though hell, I think we all had some doubts on the fourth and look how that turned out. So who knows. Maybe they do have something. But still, I'm afraid the more this franchise satirizes itself, the more it becomes the thing it satirizes, but is self aware, and will appear to just be snobbish. That's the worst case scenario.

It risks becoming what the beginning of Scream 4 was with the Stab movies within Stab movies. Just desperate meta ********, to paraphrase Anna Paquin in the movie.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

The more things change, the more things stay the same...

Scream is going to be Scream---at its core, even if they decide to shake things up, I doubt it'll be much different.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ This. That's not a bad thing though.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, I don't see what the big deal is--I liked Scream 4 a lot. Many of the people that didn't like it didn't like it because it WAS so much of what Scream was all about--there wasn't enough "different" about it I guess. I dunno, I found it charming...

 

[kickass]

Can we have Scream 5 set during Christmas? Maybe a lampoon of holiday horror flicks? (Black Christmas, Silent Night Deadly Night, Jack Frost, Christmas Evil.....)?

Maybe a brand new setting would lead to a brand new story falling into place?

 

[Punisher Rising]

The more things change, the more things stay the same...

Scream is going to be Scream---at its core, even if they decide to shake things up, I doubt it'll be much different.

Exactly. Which is why in my opinion it's ultimately pointless to change it, since at the end of the day it's always more of the same, anyway.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Can we have Scream 5 set during Christmas? Maybe a lampoon of holiday horror flicks? (Black Christmas, Silent Night Deadly Night, Jack Frost, Christmas Evil.....)?

I'd say it's possible.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Ghostface's black robe running in a snowstorm could be an interesting aesthetic but it sounds more like a scene from a Stab movie than an actual Scream film.

 

[bullets]

I don't mind the winter aesthetic but if we get a christmas theme we're in Stab territory.

Maybe the "time travel" was a hint we get a killer relating to Sid's high school days. Someone who Judy might know or be working with.

 

[kickass]

It doesn't have to be on Christmas day or Christmas eve, it can be........January lol. Then Kevin Williamson can pay homage to H20 with a skate in the face

 

[bullets]

Always loved that.

I read an idea somewhere that would have two different Ghostface's competing. Always liked that idea.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I like the idea of a Scream film set during Winter and also Halloween.

 

[GregComicFan]

I see Scream 4 as a good way to end the series.

I really can't see where Scream 5 would pick up story-wise. The only way Scream 5 would have ever worked is if the killer had gotten away with it, Sid died, and 5 picked up with the killer being thought of as a victim, Dewey and Gale taking her in, and the storyline going from there....