Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[Mandon Knight]

Do you disagree she would take roles with other actors in hollywood with checkered past in order to advance her career?

Have dislikes been issued yet under this new format ? if they have, can I have one to allocate to this please. Thanks.

 

[Prettyricky]

First, he cast him in all his films apparently. Second, are we just going to skip the part where you acted like the guy was repent and Black knew what he was talking about?

It is stunning to me that when a woman points out a clear issue in this industry she is somehow playing the victim and it is her fault for being "sensitive". I can't imagine how Black thought casting a creep like his friend was a non-issue with reactions like this.

Im not skipping anything I dont know this guy closely or black, im just going off of blacks statement and whats been reported so far. Unless your a close friend of theres I highly doubt you know ethier what was really said between them on this issue.

Clearly there were no issues on set and munn was treated like the rest of the cast with respect and professionalism because no stories have come out to state otherwise. Im all for the meetoo movement when its vaid but Ill also call someone out when out when they decide all the sudden there a victum when theres nothing to support it. Was it a bad look overall of course it was for black and fox bit like I said apologies have been issued and fox deleted the guy out of the film and hell probably never act again as well so what are we still talking about?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Now shes attacking her co stars who just a month ago were all on conan laughing it up about a great time they had and now shes playing the victum?

She's not playing victim, they hung her out to dry because she exposed abuse of power by Black and the hiring of a pedo, and they are pissed because it might **** with their money, why shouldn't she attack them? The only one with the balls to stand by her is a child.

Do you disagree she would take roles with other actors in hollywood with checkered past in order to advance her career?

You are asking someone to mind read, but last time I checked Mel Gibson didn't try to rape a kid, and if you look at Munn's complaint, it wasn simply that she was put in a working environment with someone who prays on kids and was not even given the professional courtesy of being informed, she has done nothing wrong. I can't help but think if this was Charlize Theron or Cate Blanchett this attacking of the woman wouldn't happen, but because Munn is not seen as a very good actress she's getting abused as if she's trying to use the situation for career gain, thus absolving the real guilty parties.

 

[Prettyricky]

I think you are avoiding what she said. Namely that she wanted the choice to walk away or ask that she not be asked to film a scene with a sex offender, that involved him hitting on her.

Im not disputing that ethier she should have at that time but it was misommunication blacks part and hes issued an apology andn learned from it. Unless you invent a time machine whats done is done.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Im not skipping anything I dont know this guy closely or black, im just going off of blacks statement and whats been reported so far. Unless your a close friend of theres I highly doubt you know ethier what was really said between them on this issue.

Clearly there were no issues on set and munn was treated like the rest of the cast with respect and professionalism because no stories have come out to state otherwise. Im all for the meetoo movement when its vaid but Ill also call someone out when out when they decide all the sudden there a victum when theres nothing to support it. Was it a bad look overall of course it was for black and fox bit like I said apologies have been issued and fox deleted the guy out of the film and hell probably never act again as well so what are we still talking about?

Seriously? If you had read what has been reported so far, you would realize Black has gone into, "well the guy lied to me" mode, while realizing the sex offender clearly acts like he did nothing wrong. I don't need to have been personally there to read what they are literally telling reporters about the situation. The guy acts like he did nothing wrong.

It is not professionalism or respect to bring a sex offender on set and not tell anyone they are being forced to work with them without knowledge of the fact that they are sex offenders. To not give that person a choice. And Munn has made it very clear that Black has not called her to apologize, and he has had weeks to do it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Im not disputing that ethier she should have at that time but it was misommunication blacks part and hes issued an apology andn learned from it. Unless you invent a time machine whats done is done.

No, it wasn't that at all, he flat out just didn't tell her as he wanted to get his buddy work and he knew that if you ask any normal person "Hey, mind doing a scene with a child molester?" they are going to say no, so he didn't tell her, plain and simple, there is no excuse, if he is sincere in his apology then fine.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Clearly there were no issues on set and munn was treated like the rest of the cast with respect and professionalism because no stories have come out to state otherwise.

No she wasn't be way of Black's actions in NOT informing her of his friend's convictions and allowing her to make her own choice of appearing in the scene or not in the first instance. if you can't see that, then no wonder you think everything that followed and her reaction is 'playing the victim'. Just stunning, and not in a good way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Im not disputing that ethier she should have at that time but it was misommunication blacks part and hes issued an apology andn learned from it. Unless you invent a time machine whats done is done.

This is completely untrue. There was no miscommunication. He never planned to tell anyone his buddy was a sex offender who tried to rape a 14 year old relative of his.

 

[TheFuture]

Not condoning what the guy did in the least. I think what he tried to do was detestable. But what's the point of taking a stand against a person that was convicted 8 years ago and is now forever on a list and presumably never tried to do it again and didn't harass anyone on set? Where's the win here? What's the point of causing controversy over a guy who was already arrested and served time?

I read that the guy's scenes more or less consisted of his character leering at Munn's. No problem with Munn objecting on those grounds. Not sure what the point of the character was other than Black doing a friend a solid.

 

[Prettyricky]

So well just disagree then because clearly I see it different as a whole then you guys and I would much rather talk about how the movie is tracking and reviews then this.

 

[Mandon Knight]

So well just disagree then because clearly I see it different as a whole then you guys and I would much rather talk about how the movie is tracking and reviews then this.

I'm sure you would.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So well just disagree then because clearly I see it different as a whole then you guys and I would much rather talk about how the movie is tracking and reviews then this.

Just so I am clear. You come in here of your own freewill, misstate facts claiming the sex offender has seen the error of his way and changed, claim Munn is playing a victim and now you want to act like someone was forcing this conversation on you? Really?

 

[Teelie]

I see several of you cherry picked the last two sentences and ignored it. Want to make a difference? Make it known sooner. In this case obviously that wasn't possible but if you are still up in arms over the other actors, say something when they are cast in another movie. Don't act like your not seeing it now will punish them in some way without also punishing everyone else who was involved and innocent.

Take that stance up when it does matter the next time someone objectionable is cast in a movie. Not well after the fact.

 

[TheFuture]

Could you imagine the crap Munn would have gotten had she never found out and the guy was left in the film hitting on her character... She would have been crucified and potentially hurt her career. You can absolutely understand her anger.

 

[Prettyricky]

Just so I am clear. You come in here of your own freewill, misstate facts claiming the sex offender has seen the error of his way and changed, claim Munn is playing a victim and now you want to act like someone was forcing this conversation on you? Really?

No I came in here to talk about the predator(no pun intended) instead seen this populating the discussion. I never claimed the pedo saw the error of his and changed, i said apologies by black were issued and fox course corrected quickly. I do stand by munn getting extra miles out of the victum card and attacking her costars who honestly probably just want to promote the movie and move on.

I didnt act like someone was forcing this convo onto me just I would much rather be talking about the film than this.

Im not sure why you trying to claim victory here when we clearly disagree so Im ending it and trying to talk about the movie now.

 

[Mandon Knight]

The human race is going backwards, I swear it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No I came in here to talk about the predator(no pun intended) instead seen this populating the discussion. I never claimed the pedo saw the error of his and changed, i said apologies by black were issued and fox course corrected quickly. I do stand by munn getting extra miles out of the victum card and attacking her costars who honestly probably just want to promote the movie and move on.

I didnt like someone was forcing this convo onto me just I would much rather be talking about the film than this.

Im not sure why you trying to claim victory here when we clearly disagree so Im ending it and trying to talk about the movie now.

You did.

This is such a non issue yet being blown up and munn playing the victum card way to heavily. The guy did his time and it sounds like he changed from reports atleast in blacks eyes cause he casted him in the movie. Just another example of cherry picking when to be outraged and when not too.
I would also bet munn may claim the victum card here bit would jump at tje chance to work with johnny depp or mel gibson in a heartbeat or many others in hollywood with a checkered past.

Yeah, its so much easier to just move on and avoid actual issues that effect your female costars. Its almost like that boys club in Hollywood exist...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The human race is going backwards, I swear it.

 

[Teelie]

Could you imagine the crap Munn would have gotten had she never found out and the guy was left in the film hitting on her character... She would have been crucified and potentially hurt her career. You can absolutely understand her anger.

The human race is going backwards, I swear it.

She was definitely in the right. Even now with MeToo, TimesUp, etc. there are still a lot of guys in Hollywood who think it will fade away. I doubt it will. The difference between now and past attempts to clean up Hollywood is the internet never forgets. And there is a much larger platform to express your views than in the past.

 

[Mandon Knight]

No I came in here to talk about the predator(no pun intended) instead seen this populating the discussion. I never claimed the pedo saw the error of his and changed, i said apologies by black were issued and fox course corrected quickly. I do stand by munn getting extra miles out of the victum card and attacking her costars who honestly probably just want to promote the movie and move on.

I didnt like someone was forcing this convo onto me just I would much rather be talking about the film than this.

Im not sure why you trying to claim victory here when we clearly disagree so Im ending it and trying to talk about the movie now.

Believe me, people are not, there is NO victory in a conversation that relates to the cast's behaviour in this scenario. The points of, I hope, objectivity to counter what has been said, is to, one would hope, add a discussion, where, for me, the notion that Munn, as you put it, is getting 'extra miles' out of what she has experienced is, could be considered or seen as offensive, if one was placed in a situation, if you've experienced from Munn's point of view for real. Acting or not, being placed in a scene where the whole purpose is to be 'objectified' for sexual response by a character with convictions set as he has and not to be informed is plain wrong. Whatever which way one wants to move from from it or not. She is not USING that experience for personal kudos & acting 'points' (Christ, far from it) and the notion you believe she is, is beyond the pail.

 

[Prettyricky]

You did.



Yeah, its so much easier to just move on and avoid actual issues that effect your female costars. Its almost like that boys club in Hollywood exist...

Yeah according to black or he wouldnt have casted him. Like I also said I dont know the guy or black and just speculating what was said between them like you are speculating too. At this point were just going in circles and your trying to loop me into condoning what the guy originally did which I don't.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah according to black or he wouldnt have casted him. Like I also said I dont know the guy or black and just speculating what was said between them like you are speculating too. At this point were just going in circles and your trying to loop me into condoning what the guy originally did which I don't.

No, Black said he thought his buddy got caught up in something. Basically, that he didn't do anything really wrong. Once presented with what his buddy did, he acted like he was completely misled. It was in the article I posted on the last page. You said read everything released. Clearly you haven't even read the original article.

 

[Prettyricky]

miscommunication and not enough oversight from fox again like I also said. misled is also a good one but your saying black did it once he was presented with this stuff to save face. Do you have concrete proof he knew his buddy was a registered sex offender? Were you there because I wasn't and I have no way of knowing what was said between them and and how much black actually knew. Again were going around in circles about something nether of us was party too other then what is reported. Now if you present facts that black knew the whole time his buddy was registered for 8 years was it? Im happy to come to your side and bash him entirely until then Im seeing this whole situation as miscommunication.

 

[TheFuture]

Fox is obviously a mess right now in relation to their movies (see Dark Phoenix and New Mutants). I'm not even sure I can be annoyed at them over their delayed response to Munn. The current situation with the takeover really is unprecedented so wouldn't surprised if Munn's initial flag went into a black hole.

 

[Hunter Rider]

No, Black said he thought his buddy got caught up in something. Basically, that he didn't do anything really wrong. Once presented with what his buddy did, he acted like he was completely misled. It was in the article I posted on the last page. You said read everything released. Clearly you haven't even read the original article.

This is the thing that doesn't add up to me, Black is a smart guy and he has access to a computer, I find it very hard to believe that he just heard his buddies side of the story, looked at and read nothing, and then was suddenly blindsided by the truth of what is buddy had actually done.

Fox is obviously a mess right now in relation to their movies (see Dark Phoenix and New Mutants). I'm not even sure I can be annoyed at them over their delayed response to Munn. The current situation with the takeover really is unprecedented so wouldn't surprised if Munn's initial flag went into a black hole.

For the most part I think Fox are getting a pass on this as they at least reacted in the right way by removing his scenes, most of the anger is towards Black and now towards the male cast that have hung Munn out to dry.