Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[terry78]

This whole thing is just a mess. I'm probably gonna go see it after work Friday since I have that a list thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Love Olivia Munn, she was right to speak up, but she didn't handle the situation with Black and her co-stars very well. She reported the guy and the scene was cut from the movie. Shane Black publicly apologized for the entire situation and took the blame. At this point what else is there to do? Nothing, really.
Instead now I have to read that the cast members are scumbags for not wanting to do an interview about something they don't even have anything to do with / to say about? Nobody's defending the guy. He served his time. He sure won't pop up in any other movie again. Not that he was gaining any fame from it, or making big waves. What the **** should the cast say about that? And if Munn is upset about Black not apologizing to her personally, she could pick up her phone, as well, and talk about it to him like an adult person would do, instead of stirring up drama @The LAT.
Still like her, though. You know, I can manage not to hop on a bandwagon just because I don't see eye to eye with a person's action.

Two things. First, I think she expected Shane Black to apologize to her in the first place, long before she made it public. This all went down in the middle of August, and Black seemed rather annoyed by it if his first response to the LA Times was anything to go by. But then the LA Times article came out, and his friend was exposed as a victim blaming creep, who didn't get mixed up in anything. He was graphically telling a 14 year old relative how he wanted to have sex with her, how he'd like to do it, etc. Then Black had to apologize to try and avoid a lot of blow back from the situation, which probably explains why he didn't contact Munn in private before hand. He didn't think he did anything wrong.

As for the cast. The entire point is they did not support her. They left her to answer questions about the situation, isolating her for speaking out. Beyond not showing up to interviews, they were all but avoiding talking about it to the press and were acting like nothing had happened. It is a good example of why women don't speak up. Because they are treated in this manor. Like they did something wrong. If she didn't do something wrong, and I think we all agree she didn't, then why treat her like she did?

 

[markjoedelonge]

Boyd Holbrook Backs Olivia Munn Amid ‘Predator’ Sex Offender Concerns

Holbrook issued a statement on Monday saying he was sorry for not respond more quickly.

“I want to start by apologizing for this statement coming late in the current conversation,” he said. “I do not take any of what has gone on lightly, and I want to speak from the most honest and genuine place possible. I have stated before, and I will state it again, I am proud of Olivia for the way that she handled a difficult and alarming situation, and I am grateful that Fox took the information seriously and took action swiftly.”

 

[Micromind]

Are Producers of this movie responsible for nothing ? I mean, while doing press tours, do movie Producers don't have any responsibility ? How can her co-stars just not show-up at the interviews ?

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, I don't know enough about how the press conferences work to blame the actors on this. Sounds like she's done one of them with Brown since it broke? Might be wrong on that though. They seem to be expressing support for her now, even if it's taken a little while. Might the studio have rearranged the junket schedules to sort of separate Boyd and some of the others from Oliva or something? *Shrugs* Seems sort of sketchy, but seems the type of thing a Hollywood studio might do.

 

[Lilbaz]

Cudos to munn. How many actors or actresses would have kept their mouth shut? How many worked with polanski and woody allen knowing what they had done? Scarlet even had the cheek to then call out franko about allegations of rape after defending allen as his allegations hadn't been proven. Neither had allens.

 

[LoganGambit87]

man i keep hearing how go awful this film is even from critics i trust

 

[-JKR-]

Two things. First, I think she expected Shane Black to apologize to her in the first place, long before she made it public. This all went down in the middle of August, and Black seemed rather annoyed by it if his first response to the LA Times was anything to go by. But then the LA Times article came out, and his friend was exposed as a victim blaming creep, who didn't get mixed up in anything. He was graphically telling a 14 year old relative how he wanted to have sex with her, how he'd like to do it, etc. Then Black had to apologize to try and avoid a lot of blow back from the situation, which probably explains why he didn't contact Munn in private before hand. He didn't think he did anything wrong.

As for the cast. The entire point is they did not support her. They left her to answer questions about the situation, isolating her for speaking out. Beyond not showing up to interviews, they were all but avoiding talking about it to the press and were acting like nothing had happened. It is a good example of why women don't speak up. Because they are treated in this manor. Like they did something wrong. If she didn't do something wrong, and I think we all agree she didn't, then why treat her like she did?

First of all no one, including Olivia Munn, was harmed on the set of this movie. And that's a fact. She's upset about not knowing about her co-worker being a registered sex offender. And she has the right to be upset. But the studio took action and Shane Black took the blame, so at this point there is nothing else to do about this. Instead she's throwing even her co-stars under the bus, which frankly, isn't fair, because they didn't do anything wrong to begin with. Now tell me: what the hell can anyone do about this anymore, after the studio took action and deleted the scene? In my opinion, nothing.

As for the movie, this seems like another "Iron Man 3" (best MCU movie ever so far!) situation where you either love it or hate.

 

[Teelie]

man i keep hearing how go awful this film is even from critics i trust

Which is odd because the critics are pretty evenly split on the movie. I guess it depends on who you choose to trust.

 

[Prettyricky]

man i keep hearing how go awful this film is even from critics i trust

Me too but im hoping maybe Ill still like it despite critics, cant be worse then alien covenant right?

 

[Teelie]

Alien Covenant is such a low bar. Only lowered by comparing it to AVP:Requiem in low standards.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

First of all no one, including Olivia Munn, was harmed on the set of this movie. And that's a fact. She's upset about not knowing about her co-worker being a registered sex offender. And she has the right to be upset. But the studio took action and Shane Black took the blame, so at this point there is nothing else to do about this. Instead she's throwing even her co-stars under the bus, which frankly, isn't fair, because they didn't do anything wrong to begin with. Now tell me: what the hell can anyone do about this anymore, after the studio took action and deleted the scene? In my opinion, nothing.

As for the movie, this seems like another "Iron Man 3" (best MCU movie ever so far!) situation where you either love it or hate.

There is plenty about it. That Shane Black thought it was okay and defended his action without apparently doing any research into what his friend did is one aspect. That he did not tell Munn is another aspect, as is why he thought it was okay to do so without telling her. Third, that this happened at all shines a light on how women are treated in the industry.

And yes, all the men except for Jacob did plenty wrong. Again, they isolated their female costar both in terms of ignoring press conference, not contacting her to show their support and not making public statements. Why are you ignoring the obvious implications of basically putting the whole situation on Munn here? Why it would make women reluctant to speak out in the future if it puts them in the light of "complaining" and being a "problem"? The men wanted to ignore it, act like it never happened and a lot of the time that is because they didn't have to actually face the issue. They aren't the ones usually put in these type of situations. That men want to ignore such actions is a big issue. Its why the sex offender got on the set in the first place, it is why Shane Black acted in an embarrassing manner towards Munn and it is why instead of supporting their cast member, these men tried to keep as quiet as possible, to the point of putting Munn out there on her own both in print and for interviews.

Why do you think these men are now suddenly release full on statements in support of Munn? Because they did the right thing the first time around?

 

[Teelie]

The only one who really gets a pass is Key, who was never scheduled to be there to begin with and did release a statement as the no-interview story broke.

 

[-JKR-]

Not telling anyone about him being a sex offender was wrong. But this was not a case of a woman being treated badly on set, I'm sorry. And the way Olivia Munn keeps throwing everyone under the bus indicates that there may have been other reasons why the cast was not interested in taking part in an interview about how terrible of a person Shane Black is. Probably because they don't agree with Munn's wildly impulsive ways. The man ****ed up by trying to help out a friend of his. Huge mistake. But what now? Does he deserve to be stoned and never work again? Come on, people. I'm all for women's rights and the #MeToo movement, but this has taken on the form of a witch hunt.

 

[Teelie]

I haven't seen anyone say he should be blacklisted. Or anyone else for that matter aside from the guy who tried to hit up a 14 year old girl for sex.

None of them have directly done anything but in not supporting her they have done the lesser evil of passively condoning it.

 

[-JKR-]

I haven't seen anyone say he should be blacklisted. Or anyone else for that matter aside from the guy who tried to hit up a 14 year old girl for sex.

None of them have directly done anything but in not supporting her they have done the lesser evil of passively condoning it.

Which I do not agree with. People these days are too fast to jump to conclusions. The way I see it the other cast members were simply not interested in turning their back on Shane Black. Which, considering her comments about how she was upset that they gave Black a standing ovation at the TIFF screening, is exactly what she's expecting.
And quite frankly, I wouldn't have turned my back on him, either. Let's put the forks back down for a minute and consider the many shades of grey that come with such a situation. Them not siding with Munn does not mean they're passively condoning it. It's not a "you're either with or against Olivia Munn & her cause" type of situation.

 

[Teelie]

No, it isn't. But it also isn't everyone agrees and is on the same page about how much slack you give someone or how much hell they should pay for not being perfect.

The other actors who did not back her up, who backed out of the interview have their reasons. And so far I know of only two (three if you count Key) have defended their skipping out and apologized.

Whether or not you think they were right to defend Black or that Munn is overreacting is exactly the opposite of what other people think they should be doing. What they did by not supporting Munn was in the eyes of some people, saying what Black did was not a big deal.

 

[-JKR-]

No, it isn't. But it also isn't everyone agrees and is on the same page about how much slack you give someone or how much hell they should pay for not being perfect.

The other actors who did not back her up, who backed out of the interview have their reasons. And so far I know of only two (three if you count Key) have defended their skipping out and apologized.

Whether or not you think they were right to defend Black or that Munn is overreacting is exactly the opposite of what other people think they should be doing. What they did by not supporting Munn was in the eyes of some people, saying what Black did was not a big deal.

It's not, because unlike other people I'm not judging her, or saying how terrible of a persone she is, that I'm not a fan of hers anymore, etc. I just don't think that she is handling this very well, and that she may have alienated the other cast members herself with the way she approached things. Why should the other actors turn their back on Shane Black, even if they think he made a mistake? People aren't herds, and life, relationships and friendships aren't made of bandwagons. People should get off Twitter for a while and get a grip of what real life is like again. Sorry. Just my opinion.

 

[Teelie]

It is about showing her support and by extension, support of MeToo and TimesUp. She is not the one who was targeted by the actor but she is standing up against his casting and the other actors should have stood up too. No one had to bad mouth Black but they could say he made a mistake and that hiring an attempted child sex offender was wrong. As you said, there are shades of grey and one of those shades could have been "Shane Black made a mistake hiring this man and Olivia Munn was right in calling it out." or anything else that was at least halfway there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not telling anyone about him being a sex offender was wrong. But this was not a case of a woman being treated badly on set, I'm sorry. And the way Olivia Munn keeps throwing everyone under the bus indicates that there may have been other reasons why the cast was not interested in taking part in an interview about how terrible of a person Shane Black is. Probably because they don't agree with Munn's wildly impulsive ways. The man ****ed up by trying to help out a friend of his. Huge mistake. But what now? Does he deserve to be stoned and never work again? Come on, people. I'm all for women's rights and the #MeToo movement, but this has taken on the form of a witch hunt.

Of course it is, that is why there is a problem. What in the world...

It amazes me that she is being honest, and it is her "throwing them under the bus", but them not doing the right thing is just a nothing to you. But then you wrote the second bold bit, which shows exactly what is wrong with this situation. She speaks out about this situation where Black was completely in the wrong, and you start blaming her. You can say you are for Women's Right and the MeToo Movement, but what you just wrote is a good example of ignoring everything to do with these movements. You are blaming Munn for what Black and the male cast members did. Covering for Black, not wanting to talk about it, sweeping it under the rug and acting like it isn't a big deal is exactly a problem that applies to MeToo and Times Up. I mean come on...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not, because unlike other people I'm not judging her, or saying how terrible of a persone she is, that I'm not a fan of hers anymore, etc. I just don't think that she is handling this very well, and that she may have alienated the other cast members herself with the way she approached things. Why should the other actors turn their back on Shane Black, even if they think he made a mistake? People aren't herds, and life, relationships and friendships aren't made of bandwagons. People should get off Twitter for a while and get a grip of what real life is like again. Sorry. Just my opinion.

Who said they had to turn their back on Black? Why did they keep silent in their support of Munn? They knew once it hit the media it was going to be a question. Are these men not adults? You say it like them being uncomfortable with the question suddenly means they don't have to do it, while they know Munn is going to be asked these questions. That is them alienating her. That is putting the entire situation on a woman, as opposed to these men, who say they supports these movements, shouldering the pressure alongside their cast member.

Also, um, maybe Black should have called her and apologized. Maybe then she wouldn't of had to mention that he hadn't done it, even after what was basically 3 weeks of him knowing what happened.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is a messed up situation. How especially now do you make this kind of mistake? Shane Black is a complete and utter moron. I agree that the cast could easily have supported Munn here without throwing a ton of shade at Shane (if that was their goal). Saying "Olivia did the right thing, Black messed up, but the scene was removed so we all just want to move on and support this great movie we all made together" is not a lot to ask for. It's a common sense solution.

 

[Prettyricky]

Correct me if Im wrong but didnt she just 2 years ago work for bryan singer of all people in a sexually revealing outfit Who has very public allegations for years? He was just got let go by fox mid filming bohemian rhapsody for allegations to boot. But a 2 minute scene with a registered sex offender is over the line? Why isnt she speaking out against singer as well? If its because she had a choice she still comes off as a hypocrite.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Correct me if Im wrong but didnt she just 2 years ago work for bryan singer of all people in a sexually revealing outfit Who has very public allegations for years? He was just got let go by fox mid filming bohemian rhapsody for allegations to boot. But a 2 minute scene with a registered sex offender is over the line? Why isnt she speaking out against singer as well? If its because she had a choice she still comes off as a hypocrite.

Singer's prior history of allegations not withstanding, but I think he was fired from Bohemian Rhapsody for not showing up to set. Not for allegations.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Correct me if Im wrong but didnt she just 2 years ago work for bryan singer of all people in a sexually revealing outfit Who has very public allegations for years? He was just got let go by fox mid filming bohemian rhapsody for allegations to boot. But a 2 minute scene with a registered sex offender is over the line? Why isnt she speaking out against singer as well? If its because she had a choice she still comes off as a hypocrite.

Wow. Did you just play the, "what were you wearing" card? Really?

Did you miss the part where she specifically wanted the choice, or are you just going to keep blaming the woman for what these men did?