Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[Voltron]

Well I'm crushed that Sharon might not appear again in the MCU. I'm going to cry myself to sleep sucking on my thumb. We got cheated from actually seeing a decent amount of Baron Zemo, Crossbones, and Sharon.

If so then.

 

[Loki882]

I would have been fine with Crossbones lack of screentime, if they hadn't have killed him off. It's like Strucker in AOU in that regard.

 

[Voltron]

They killed Crossbones and wasted Strucker, don't remind me. They should do a Cap 4.

Villains would be Crossbones, Sin, Batroc, Madam Hydra, return of Red Skull.

Sharon Vs Sin
Falcon Vs Madam Hydra
Bucky Vs Batroc
Cap Vs Red Skull

 

[Zant]

They killed Crossbones and wasted Strucker, don't remind me. They should do a Cap 4.

Villains would be Crossbones, Sin, Batroc, Madam Hydra, return of Red Skull.

Sharon Vs Sin
Falcon Vs Madam Hydra
Bucky Vs Batroc
Cap Vs Red Skull

We all know Black Widow will be in Cap 4 and be the lead female. She is part of the family now.

 

[Loki882]

Which I'm fine with as they have a really good dynamic (that scene between them after Peggy's funeral was great). But if you can have BW in TWS (and Fury, and Maria Hill for that matter) and still do cool stuff with Falcon (and more so in CW, which has even more characters in it), then there's no reason why you cannot do the same thing with Sharon.

Unless of course, you just don't want to, which begs the question of, why is she there to begin with then? You're just setting fans up for disappointment.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't think they hate her. They are fans of Natasha, wanted the opportunity to work with her. If they didn't like Sharon, she wouldn't be back. Almost no one remembers her.

They like Natasha, but do they have impulse control?

Them bringing back Sharon doesn't mean they like her or were doing her any favors. They used her for the purpose of the story, to have Steve find Bucky quickly, to explain Sam and Cap having their gear back.

As shown in the storyboards, she was going to have a better role, but with the entry of spiderman + iron man and black panther, they reduced her to help Steve and his friends. Russos still tried to make her important with the speech and showing potential to help, but everything came out fast, damaging the character.

She didn't look like she had that many more scenes. Maybe when the movie wasn't Civil War.

But while Feige perhaps mandated that the movie become Civil War, I think Black Panther, Spidey, Clint, Wanda Vision love affair that no one calls forced or needless or creepy, were the Russos using Civil War as an excuse to wet their Avengers whistle.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Anyone else getting sick of seeing Haley Atwell's remarks about Steve/Sharon plastered all over the internet? I mean, sheesh, yeah, if this was the real world, I guess it'd be creepy. But it's a movie about a guy with superpowers who was frozen for 80 years! The normal rules don't apply. Lighten up.

 

[BatsDC]

I think they should have dropped the relation between Sharon & Peggy tbh; it doesn't really add anything of value to Sharon beyond the ties to Steve's past

 

[Raiden]

Anyone else getting sick of seeing Haley Atwell's remarks about Steve/Sharon plastered all over the internet? I mean, sheesh, yeah, if this was the real world, I guess it'd be creepy. But it's a movie about a guy with superpowers who was frozen for 80 years! The normal rules don't apply. Lighten up.

What Hayley said made no sense. I have to assume that she was joking because it was one of the stupidest thing I've ever read.

 

[Silvermoon]

Anyone else getting sick of seeing Haley Atwell's remarks about Steve/Sharon plastered all over the internet? I mean, sheesh, yeah, if this was the real world, I guess it'd be creepy. But it's a movie about a guy with superpowers who was frozen for 80 years! The normal rules don't apply. Lighten up.

Yeah, in the real world it would definitely be odd but that's because in the real world there isn't a super soldier serum that allows someone to be frozen in ice for 70 years and come out looking like you did when you went in.

I think cousins would be a more comparable real world scenario. There's nothing wrong with continuing a relationship with a girl you like even if you happen to find out that she's a cousin to a girl you used to know (but who had moved on to other things - though you remained friends).

Also wasn't a fan of Hayley bringing up the incest remark either. Steve entering into a relationship with Sharon is nowhere near incestuous - he's not related to her.

So yeah, I love Hayley to death, but I disagree on her view of Steve/Sharon (also disagree with her on how I think Peggy would react - Peggy would want both Sharon and Steve (especially with all the tragedy he's endured and sacrifices he's made for the sake of others) to find happiness - if that's with each other, I don't think she would disapprove).

As for the kiss... was the placement of it a little odd? Maybe. But the more I've thought about it, the more it made sense to me for him to kiss her at the moment that he did. As far as he knows he's going off to fight 5 Hydra super soldiers (that are 'worse' than Bucky was under Hydra's control and have the skills to topple countries overnight), he's roughly cobbled together a team, they don't have their usual resources, the government and the other Avengers are trying to track them down/take them in/stop them. He doesn't know what's going to happen or when/if he'll see her again (let alone any time soon). So I think he kissed Sharon for the same reason that Peggy kissed him before he got on the Valkyrie: Might be the last chance there is to do such.

Anywho... just my take on this whole debate.

 

[Loki882]

Hayley is hardly the only person to find the relationship at the very least awkward. People have been saying that for years, and it came up when the idea of bringing Sharon into the film was brought up even. Heck the Russo's themselves acknowledged it in interviews.

I'm not personally one of those people (I think that it works pretty well overall in the comics), but I get where they're coming from.

 

[MbJ]

Who has said Sharon might not be back?

 

[ScarlettW]

Who has said Sharon might not be back?

We are wondering if she will or will not come back. Some people think she will not come back because they think the Russos don't like her.
There is also a negativity around her character that can make her don't come back. She was not well received, she doesn't have support from her co-star, the comments of hayley, the campaign "give captain a boyfriend"; media like LA Times and Time mag made negative comments about her relationship with Steve.

I think she'll come back.

 

[ScarlettW]

They like Natasha, but do they have impulse control?

Them bringing back Sharon doesn't mean they like her or were doing her any favors. They used her for the purpose of the story, to have Steve find Bucky quickly, to explain Sam and Cap having their gear back.



She didn't look like she had that many more scenes. Maybe when the movie wasn't Civil War.

But while Feige perhaps mandated that the movie become Civil War, I think Black Panther, Spidey, Clint, Wanda Vision love affair that no one calls forced or needless or creepy, were the Russos using Civil War as an excuse to wet their Avengers whistle.

I'm not saying they love her, but if they hated Sharon, she could have been replaced by other characters that no one would notice. If they really hated her, she was not going to have a better role as shown in storyboards and art film. Again, she didn't was the only character on the Cap side that was affected with the entry of new characters. 10 minutes to spider man could have gone to the Cap side.

The relationship WandaVision was unnecessary in a film claiming to be Captain America. They aren't part of the Cap universe. That's why this film is Avengers:. Civil War.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I hope she comes back and gets some decent development. But her and Maria Hill don't seem that important to Marvel.

 

[MadVillainy]

They really shouldve used Hill and Carter (along with Mockingbird, Hawkeye, Jimmy Woo) for a TV show/mini series.

I wouldve loved a show (6-13 episodes on Netflix) of them taking down Hydra, AIM, etc. splinter cells

 

[Raiden]

They really shouldve used Hill and Carter (along with Mockingbird, Hawkeye, Jimmy Woo) for a TV show/mini series.

I wouldve loved a show (6-13 episodes on Netflix) of them taking down Hydra, AIM, etc. splinter cells

TV is the Purgatory of MCU now. They might as well be in a different universe from the movies.

 

[Lantern Venom]

The Russos have maintained that the relationship between Cap and Bucky was one of brothers. Of course they love each other, but it's a very platonic brotherly love. Believe it or not, not every relationship has to be a sexual one.

Perfectly said. Love isn't confined merely to romance. The Steve-Bucky relationship has been beautiful just the way it is. There's no need to flip it on its head.

 

[Voltron]

As for the kiss... was the placement of it a little odd? Maybe. But the more I've thought about it, the more it made sense to me for him to kiss her at the moment that he did. As far as he knows he's going off to fight 5 Hydra super soldiers (that are 'worse' than Bucky was under Hydra's control and have the skills to topple countries overnight), he's roughly cobbled together a team, they don't have their usual resources, the government and the other Avengers are trying to track them down/take them in/stop them. He doesn't know what's going to happen or when/if he'll see her again (let alone any time soon). So I think he kissed Sharon for the same reason that Peggy kissed him before he got on the Valkyrie: Might be the last chance there is to do such.

Anywho... just my take on this whole debate.

Great points. From Cap's P.O.V. there's a huge chance that him/Bucky vs 5 super soldiers all stronger than TWS would not survive the fight so of course he'd kiss Sharon to live a little whom he had the hots for since TWS.

That look on his face before he kissed her was, "AHHH FCK IT. I'VE LIKED YOU SINCE YOU WERE KATE. I'M THANKFUL FOR ALL YOUR VALUABLE HELP. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR TOO LONG AND MISS MY CHANCE AGAIN AT HAPPINESS LIKE I DID WITH PEGGY. DAMN YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL. I MIGHT NOT RETURN FROM SIBERIA ALIVE. STUCKY SHIPPERS CAN EAT IT, I'M GONNA GET SOME."

All these people whinging that Sharon/Steve disrespected Peggy are ridiculous. Peggy's dead so let the living live. Peggy told Steve 2 years ago to freakin' move on with his life because she has already lived hers. Steve finally took her advise.

 

[Rote]

Great points. From Cap's P.O.V. there's a huge chance that him/Bucky vs 5 super soldiers all stronger than TWS would not survive the fight so of course he'd kiss Sharon to live a little whom he had the hots for since TWS.

That look on his face before he kissed her was, "AHHH FCK IT. I'VE LIKED YOU SINCE YOU WERE KATE. I'M THANKFUL FOR ALL YOUR VALUABLE HELP. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR TOO LONG AND MISS MY CHANCE AGAIN AT HAPPINESS LIKE I DID WITH PEGGY. DAMN YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL. I MIGHT NOT RETURN FROM SIBERIA ALIVE. STUCKY SHIPPERS CAN EAT IT, I'M GONNA GET SOME."

Of course, because that's what the whole CW was about. In the mind of Staron fanfic writer.
But if you're really into all these stupid shippers wars... Then of all pairings it's actully Stucky's shippers, who have won. Because love isn't measured in amount of kisses, it's about doings. Civil War is actually a testament of Steve's love for Bucky, Evans confirmed, that Cap loves Bucky more than anyone else, that he won't do the same for anybody else. And what has Cap actually done for Sharon? NOTHING. He used her, made her unnecessary risk her job (let's be honest, Cap and Sam could steal shield and wings by themselves, as they did in TWS. Heck, Cap even break in the Raft in the end without shield, it wouldn't be a big problem for him at all.) and then forgot about her.

Steve thought "there's a huge chance" to die in the fight with 5 supersoldiers? You wish. But it's complete nonsense. He might thought it when they left with Bucky alone (although, I very much doubt even that, because when Bucky asked: "What's gonna happen to your friends?", Steve was very confident with reply:"Whatever it is, I'll deal with it"), but on that moment he has called Clint and Scott, he didn't know that Sharon will lead team Stark to the airport, so he was expecting that it will be at least 6 of them against Winter Soldiers. And he had Wanda among them. Wanda could actually kick WSs asses all by herself.

The Russos have maintained that the relationship between Cap and Bucky was one of brothers. Of course they love each other, but it's a very platonic brotherly love. Believe it or not, not every relationship has to be a sexual one.

Learn to pay attention if you want to reply, that was not the point of my posts at all. No one here said that CapBucky is canon.
That being said, what the Russos have actually maintained is that "brothers" is THEIR interpretation, but people can interpret that relationship as they see it, and they are totally cool with it.

 

[ScarlettW]

so he was expecting that it will be at least 6 of them against Winter Soldiers. And he had Wanda among them. Wanda could actually kick WSs asses all by herself.

So true. You're right, he was six with him, Wanda is strong enough to stop the six super soldiers.

Sharon was the source of Natasha?

 

[Rote]

Sharon was the source of Natasha?

Yeah, I think it was heavily implied. First this moment, Natasha has noticed:

And after that Nat said to T'Challa that she doesn't know where Cap and Co are, but knows someone who does. Cut directly to Sharon.

 

[ScarlettW]

Yeah, I think it was heavily implied. First this moment, Natasha has noticed:

And after that Nat said to T'Challa that she doesn't know where Cap and Co are, but knows someone who does. Cut directly to Sharon.

I noticed that at the moment Natasha realizes that Sharon allows Steve hear the interrogation, so she knows that Carter is helping Steve.
It's not clear whether Sharon gave the information or Natasha tracked Sharon. She could keep an eye on Sharon to know where Steve was.

IMO Natasha was tracking Sharon, she maybe even have put a tracker on Sharon's car.
I don't think Sharon would betray Steve because she is a Carter, her aunt would hate that, she also says early in the film that she was only spying on him because she was doing her job. He understand.

 

[Stevie2020]

I noticed that at the moment Natasha realizes that Sharon allows Steve hear the interrogation, so she knows that Carter is helping Steve.
It's not clear whether Sharon gave the information or Natasha tracked Sharon. She could keep an eye on Sharon to know where Steve was.

IMO Natasha was tracking Sharon, she maybe even have put a tracker on Sharon's car.
I don't think Sharon would betray Steve because she is a Carter, her aunt would hate that, she also says early in the film that she was only spying on him because she was doing her job. He understand.

It's conceivable that she informed on him in the name of "doing her job" and the greater good and all that. Nat might have put the squeeze on her to get the info. Obviously they want the audience to draw their own conclusions.

 

[ScarlettW]

It's conceivable that she informed on him in the name of "doing her job" and the greater good and all that. Nat might have put the squeeze on her to get the info. Obviously they want the audience to draw their own conclusions.

I said it was IMO. I don't know if that's what really happened.
I don't think Sharon would give info about Steve, put his life/freedom at risk even underpressure, even in the name of her work. This is Sharon Carter! The woman who was against Pierce and Rumlow! The woman who did many things for Steve and, at this point, she can be on the run.

But I could be wrong.