Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 2

[tomatoes]

I agree. It was gross.

[BLACKOUT]I don't like the funeral scene. It started well with Steve, but then it was all Sharon, and she looking at him, it was a very important moment to turn into flirtation. It seemed that Steve was even more focused on the death of Peggy.
Obviously he is only interested in her after he finds out she is the niece of Peggy. Everything was forced.

Xbtw After the kissing scene, I didn't even remember it five minutes later. It is forgettable.
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[BLACKOUT]I woulndt completely dismiss steve walking with her to the hotel but i wouldve wanted steve to be a little bit more serious in that scene, he was too friendly for my liking esp at peggys funeral [/BLACKOUT]

As for the kiss uhm personally i think its with the plot of civil war itself, if sharon was very important in WS then id approve of the kiss scene in CW (thered be emotional weight to it she was well developed and it would work if she does shoot him in the end) but since its only in cw where she really shone and still not make it even close to the 4th most important character in the movie it's a little misplaced (it can be a way to familiarize her with the audience but really there are more creative ways for that). You cant really place the kiss anywhere but in that scene where the tone can accomodate it. I still wish theyd save it for a latter movie

It wasnt forgettable to me though since the scene after that was the funniest scene in the movie imo

 

[Voltron]

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I honestly hated that steve suddenly had a 180 during the funeral (like oh im gonna forgive her now) ,,it feels off even for him[/BLACKOUT]

I didn't see it that way. [BLACKOUT]I saw it as Sharon respecting Peggy, not wanting to ride on her coat tails, and giving Cap the conviction to defend Bucky his last connection to his past after he has lost Peggy. Then when he was walking her back to the hotel he got to know her as Sharon. They should've added a moment where after Sharon tells them where Bucky's held, Cap should've had a moment with Sharon to quickly thank her for her help and to show he's growing feelings for her for added build up.[/BLACKOUT] Fury and BW both lied to Cap while doing their job as well and he forgave them in TWS so I'm sure he also understood why Agent 13 did what she did 2 years ago.

Again this is why I think Sharon should've been in the know with Fury, joined them at the bunker, and she got to introduce herself as Sharon to Cap.

There's only a very slim chance Sharon will be back in IW because Evans finds Staron icky and he'll probably ask the directors/writers to drop that development because he's the "star" which is a shame.

 

[Voltron]

I'll just leave this here...

Like what EVC said, Deal With It.

 

[tomatoes]

I didn't see it that way. [BLACKOUT]I saw it as Sharon respecting Peggy, not wanting to ride on her coat tails, and giving Cap the conviction to defend Bucky his last connection to his past after he has lost Peggy. Then when he was walking her back to the hotel he got to know her as Sharon. They should've added a moment where after Sharon tells them where Bucky's held, Cap should've had a moment with Sharon to quickly thank her for her help and to show he's growing feelings for her for added build up.[/BLACKOUT] Fury and BW both lied to Cap while doing their job as well and he forgave them in TWS so I'm sure he also understood why Agent 13 did what she did 2 years ago.

Again this is why I think Sharon should've been in the know with Fury, joined them at the bunker, and she got to introduce herself as Sharon to Cap.

There's only a very slim chance Sharon will be back in IW because Evans finds Staron icky and he'll probably ask the directors/writers to drop that development because he's the "star" which is a shame.

[BLACKOUT]
I have no problems with sharon there, just steve because he didnt look so sad anymore after finding out abt sharon, it was the scene whe he was walking her to the hotel , their scenes after that was fine ,,

i agree with u on the bucky part, or give her a smart moment where its her who discovers zemo, since they all realized it was him who controlled bucky [/BLACKOUT]

Thats too demanding even for cevans, i think hes gonna be fine with it if they work it out more and the final say would be with the writers, russo bros n feige.. Id put my hope on M/M though assuming itd be them

 

[Voltron]

[BLACKOUT]
I have no problems with sharon there, just steve because he didnt look so sad anymore after finding out abt sharon, it was the scene whe he was walking her to the hotel , their scenes after that was fine ,,

i agree with u on the bucky part, or give her a smart moment where its her who discovers zemo, since they all realized it was him who controlled bucky [/BLACKOUT]

Thats too demanding even for cevans, i think hes gonna be fine with it if they work it out more and the final say would be with the writers, russo bros n feige.. Id put my hope on M/M though assuming itd be them

I didn't notice Cap's face, I was too busy looking at Sharon t:.

[BLACKOUT]Or better yet Sharon should've LED Sam/Cap to Bucky/Zemo and I would've loved them three vs Bucky. To see Staron fight side-by-side like in the comics would've been great with Sam is a bonus! I wish we were hired as Sharon consultants for M/M t:.[/BLACKOUT]

That kiss was more of a ploy for that funny gag. Staron feels so casual and not serious, but they have potential.

Yes I'm hoping that M/M includes her in.

 

[tomatoes]

I didn't notice Cap's face, I was too busy looking at Sharon t:.

[BLACKOUT]Or better yet Sharon should've LED Sam/Cap to Bucky/Zemo and I would've loved them three vs Bucky. To see Staron fight side-by-side like in the comics would've been great with Sam is a bonus! I wish we were hired as Sharon consultants for M/M t:.[/BLACKOUT]
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That kiss was more of a ploy for that funny gag. Staron feels so casual and not serious, but they have potential.

Yes I'm hoping that M/M includes her in.

Lol sometimes fans know the best for their favorite characters, thats whats good abt russo bros, if they like the char very much,, too bad they dont love sharon as much as we do

I agree with u on the casual part,theres enough tension they can work with

 

[Voltron]

Lol sometimes fans know the best for their favorite characters, thats whats good abt russo bros, if they like the char very much,, too bad they dont love sharon as much as we do

I agree with u on the casual part,theres enough tension they can work with

Yeah too bad Russos don't like Sharon/EVC and to make it worse they gave Sharon's comics role, her dynamics with Cap, and moments to BW in TWS and CW. At least 3 scenes of hers could've been extended for more development and Staron build up .


EVC interview where she makes fun of that sexist Berlin question on how Cap tastes. Her answers are so supportive and positive of Sharon, Staron and her co-stars, too bad Evans doesn't reciprocate.

Man, Evans became so cold towards her since then. Wonder what brought on the nuclear winter.

 

[noakai]

Yeah too bad Russos don't like Sharon/EVC and to make it worse they gave Sharon's comics role, her dynamics with Cap, and moments to BW in TWS and CW. At least 3 scenes of hers could've been extended for more development and Staron build up .


EVC interview where she makes fun of that sexist Berlin question on how Cap tastes. Her answers are so supportive and positive of Sharon, Staron and her co-stars, too bad Evans doesn't reciprocate.

Man, Evans became so cold towards her since then. Wonder what brought on the nuclear winter.

It might honestly be that he doesn't like the romance and that added the distance between him and EVC. To be clear: I don't think he hates EVC or is trying to be outright rude about anything. But we've had so many press tours and premieres with this cast now that you can tell when the actors are serious and when they're joking, and I didn't get the feeling he was joking when he talked about preferring other relationships to it or took the opportunity to parrot that it's "icky." I think that's genuinely how he feels.

There was one moment I can think of where he talked positively about it, and that was the "he's 90 years old and just wants to be kissed!" thing, but maybe he was positive a few times more, and I missed it. But he's spent a lot more time discussing Bucky and his own love of RDJ than he did Sharon, and I think if he was genuinely enthusiastic about the relationship, he would have talked about it a lot more, because EVC was talking about it everywhere so they weren't banned from doing it for fear of spoilers. And he definitely would have been defending it when people brought up that it's "icky" in front of him.

And you can tell that he and EVC aren't close, imo. Part of that probably is because he's done a lot more with the rest of the cast (this is his third movie with many of them) but he was friendlier with Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Rudd than he was with EVC and it's not like he's shot a ton more with them than he did with EVC. Perhaps they just didn't hit it off.

 

[tomatoes]

It might honestly be that he doesn't like the romance and that added the distance between him and EVC. To be clear: I don't think he hates EVC or is trying to be outright rude about anything. But we've had so many press tours and premieres with this cast now that you can tell when the actors are serious and when they're joking, and I didn't get the feeling he was joking when he talked about preferring other relationships to it or took the opportunity to parrot that it's "icky." I think that's genuinely how he feels.

There was one moment I can think of where he talked positively about it, and that was the "he's 90 years old and just wants to be kissed!" thing, but maybe he was positive a few times more, and I missed it. But he's spent a lot more time discussing Bucky and his own love of RDJ than he did Sharon, and I think if he was genuinely enthusiastic about the relationship, he would have talked about it a lot more, because EVC was talking about it everywhere so they weren't banned from doing it for fear of spoilers. And he definitely would have been defending it when people brought up that it's "icky" in front of him.

And you can tell that he and EVC aren't close, imo. Part of that probably is because he's done a lot more with the rest of the cast (this is his third movie with many of them) but he was friendlier with Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Rudd than he was with EVC and it's not like he's shot a ton more with them than he did with EVC. Perhaps they just didn't hit it off.

I dont think we'll ever know why but id just attribute it to their different personalities, it's not u dont get along ,just that they like different things/persons

In evc's case, she cant really talk abt much due to shortage of scenes? that really sucks,, but cevans is too candid lol he seems indifferent abt it in imo

I think shes only had like 10 mins in civil war

 

[Raiden]

Yeah too bad Russos don't like Sharon/EVC and to make it worse they gave Sharon's comics role, her dynamics with Cap, and moments to BW in TWS and CW. At least 3 scenes of hers could've been extended for more development and Staron build up .


EVC interview where she makes fun of that sexist Berlin question on how Cap tastes. Her answers are so supportive and positive of Sharon, Staron and her co-stars, too bad Evans doesn't reciprocate.

Man, Evans became so cold towards her since then. Wonder what brought on the nuclear winter.

I wish the Russo Bros. are more supportive of Sharon Carter, so EVC can at least talk to them about her character. I think Evans is letting his personal feeling getting the best of him. Quite frankly, now I wish they'd just call her Sharon Miller and eliminate the relationship between her and Peggy if Evans keeps shunning this storyline.

 

[Mysteryman]

Chris isn't shunning anything.
He answers questions put to him honestly without any kind of personal bias.

 

[tomatoes]

Chris isn't shunning anything.
He answers questions put to him honestly without any kind of personal bias.

Maybe he thinks that steve was a little out of character this time.. Even as a viewer i felt it what more for the actor who has been playing it for years,. I understand some of his points but his answers did hurt sharon's character esp with the hate shes already getting (and i honestly felt bad for emily). I know that he wasnt wrong but those anti sharon/staron would like it and those who like sharon/staron would not.

Like if uve seen him say it was icky (assuming i am anti staron) while watching i thought of what he said, it would only fuel my hate fire and im gonna put the blame to sharon - thats what i think goes in the head of haters anyway

Judging from fan reactions of those who've seen the movie, it's real mixed

 

[Raiden]

Maybe he thinks that steve was a little out of character this time.. Even as a viewer i felt it what more for the actor who has been playing it for years,. I understand some of his points but his answers did hurt sharon's character esp with the hate shes already getting (and i honestly felt bad for emily). I know that he wasnt wrong but those anti sharon/staron would like it and those who like sharon/staron would not.

Like if uve seen him say it was icky (assuming i am anti staron) while watching i thought of what he said, it would only fuel my hate fire and im gonna put the blame to sharon - thats what i think goes in the head of haters anyway

Judging from fan reactions of those who've seen the movie, it's real mixed

Yeah, saying that it's "icky" really undermines the relationship they're trying to build up on the big screen. Frankly, I don't understand the "icky" comment; it's not like Sharon is related to Steve anyway. Right now, I think the Russo Bros. should consider moving Sharon away from being Steve's love interest and become a more independent and capable agent, so she can earn some respect. I think making her just Steve's girlfriend will only make her too one-dimensional and an easy target for online trolls.

 

[tomatoes]

Yeah, saying that it's "icky" really undermines the relationship they're trying to build up on the big screen. Frankly, I don't understand the "icky" comment; it's not like Sharon is related to Steve anyway. Right now, I think the Russo Bros. should consider moving Sharon away from being Steve's love interest and become a more independent and capable agent, so she can earn some respect. I think making her just Steve's girlfriend will only make her too one-dimensional and an easy target for online trolls.

exactly, they were trying to sell that relationship so the actor of other half of that relationship being not so supportive doesn't help much. Russo bros couldve done a better job and it's a relationship where they can mix Peggy and BW's build up. i think they sort of did but was too lacking that's why endearing her with the audience was hard. give her a pure bad ass moment where she fights (longer than that bucky fight since seriously with all the fights in the movie a fight that short and where she loses is quite hard to remember) and showcases her intelligence (like idk, outsmarting smart people) , even for just 5 minutes people would love her more

 

[noakai]

Yeah, saying that it's "icky" really undermines the relationship they're trying to build up on the big screen. Frankly, I don't understand the "icky" comment; it's not like Sharon is related to Steve anyway. Right now, I think the Russo Bros. should consider moving Sharon away from being Steve's love interest and become a more independent and capable agent, so she can earn some respect. I think making her just Steve's girlfriend will only make her too one-dimensional and an easy target for online trolls.

Spoiler

I'm seeing a lot of negative reaction to the funeral scene in particular. It's not even the kiss scene, which a lot of people find super funny just because of Sam and Bucky's reactions.

I'm gonna wait and see for myself, but I do think it's possible that Sharon not getting more screentime before this has made it very easy for people to dismiss her as "just a love interest. " The fact that she's related to Peggy, however distantly, was always going to be a problem with this universe because unlike the comics where Peggy has barely ever been truly touched on, Peggy in the MCU is a huge presence, so people actually remember her and are more likely to care. It's just a matter of how much of a problem. It doesn't bother me in the comics at all because Peggy's barely a character in them, we'll see how it turns out with this movie I guess.

 

[Knight_SV]

Marvel should do third season of Agent Carter series, but have Sharon as the lead now

 

[Xeno]

I'll just leave this here...

He's not wrong...

 

[tomatoes]

He's not wrong...

just a little inconsiderate

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Marvel should do third season of Agent Carter series, but have Sharon as the lead now

The only reason Agent Carter is a thing is because of Peggy, without her, the show would be gone.

Hell, even with her, it's possible we've seen the last of Agent Carter, the show and the character.

A proper Marvel espionage show would be cool, though.

 

[Maximum_Maximus]

Marvel should do third season of Agent Carter series, but have Sharon as the lead now

Actually that would be an excellent idea. Move the series to the present day, give Sharon Carter the spotlight she deserves. I think it'll make the series more interesting and gives Agent 13 way to showcase herself in case she's no longer going to be in the movies.

 

[BatsDC]

I liked Sharon in this. Definitely felt like she had more to do

 

[Voltron]

It might honestly be that he doesn't like the romance and that added the distance between him and EVC. To be clear: I don't think he hates EVC or is trying to be outright rude about anything. But we've had so many press tours and premieres with this cast now that you can tell when the actors are serious and when they're joking, and I didn't get the feeling he was joking when he talked about preferring other relationships to it or took the opportunity to parrot that it's "icky." I think that's genuinely how he feels.

There was one moment I can think of where he talked positively about it, and that was the "he's 90 years old and just wants to be kissed!" thing, but maybe he was positive a few times more, and I missed it. But he's spent a lot more time discussing Bucky and his own love of RDJ than he did Sharon, and I think if he was genuinely enthusiastic about the relationship, he would have talked about it a lot more, because EVC was talking about it everywhere so they weren't banned from doing it for fear of spoilers. And he definitely would have been defending it when people brought up that it's "icky" in front of him.

And you can tell that he and EVC aren't close, imo. Part of that probably is because he's done a lot more with the rest of the cast (this is his third movie with many of them) but he was friendlier with Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Rudd than he was with EVC and it's not like he's shot a ton more with them than he did with EVC. Perhaps they just didn't hit it off.

He doesn't support the romance now, but see that gif of EVC/Evans back in 2013 he looked comfortable and friendly around her and I'm sure he was already aware and informed of what's going to happened with their characters. If he was against Staron then, why didn't he show his disapproval like now? Fast forward to this press tour, what happened since then? Maybe coz Evans is now good friends with EVC's ex Pratt and wife, maybe he noticed all the anti-Staron/Sharon icky tweets crazy shippers kept tweeting him that got to him, and/or maybe his and EVC's personalities just didn't mesh.

I'm reminded at just how much I love this M/M response:

Can you talk about Sharon [Carter] in terms of, in the comics Sharon is a romantic interest for Cap, and in the comics Peggy was never as powerful a character, it felt like for fans. Fans are really taking to Peggy, and perhaps Cap will stop seeing Peggy and now start dating her niece…

McFEELY: Well, no. It did not force [him] to stop seeing Peggy. He landed in an iceberg. That stopped him from seeing Peggy!

MARKUS: They kissed once on a moving car, with Tommy Lee Jones in the car. Not the sexiest situation you can have. So you know in a way people go, ‘Ooh that’s weird.’ But when you think about it, one, she’s her grand-niece. This isn’t incest. This is, ‘You’re vaguely related to a woman I once kissed.’

But it’s also not the kind of movie where, you know, much like Winter Soldier took place over like three days. This one has a fairly tight timespan. So it’s not like you can go, ‘Hold the huge international intrigue because I have to have a little bit of romance.’ You know, it’s again, we play with it. We definitely move closer… But especially when you’ve got this big of a cast, and teams, eventually you’re gonna have Falcon and Winter Soldier standing in the corner going, [whispers inaudibly]. Huge fight.

I think M/M hinted Bucky's and Sam's reaction to that kiss.

 

[Voltron]

Actually that would be an excellent idea. Move the series to the present day, give Sharon Carter the spotlight she deserves. I think it'll make the series more interesting and gives Agent 13 way to showcase herself in case she's no longer going to be in the movies.

EVC said in a Q&A that it wouldn't work because she's now part of Cap's life and if she was on AoS they'll have to explain why he doesn't show up or something like that. Agent 13 having her own show wouldn't work because the budget would be too low to do anything spectacular as shown in Agent Carter and the SHIELD code name Agent 13 denotes she should be working with other AoS.

 

[BatsDC]

He doesn't support the romance now, but see that gif of EVC/Evans back in 2013 he looked comfortable and friendly around her and I'm sure he was already aware and informed of what's going to happened with their characters. If he was against Staron then, why didn't he show his disapproval like now? Fast forward to this press tour, what happened since then? Maybe coz Evans is now good friends with EVC's ex Pratt and wife, maybe he noticed all the anti-Staron/Sharon icky tweets crazy shippers kept tweeting him that got to him, and/or maybe his and EVC's personalities just didn't mesh.

I think you're reading far too much into things... Chris & Emily haven't really been able to do much press together because she was sent off with Team Iron Man. Chris doesn't suddenly have something against her. He's obviously going to talk more about Bucky & Stark because we've seen more of Steve with those two characters. They're both central to the conflict of this movie too; Sharon's part is smaller. It's logical he'd see more in those relationships.

 

[Voltron]

I think you're reading far too much into things... Chris & Emily haven't really been able to do much press together because she was sent off with Team Iron Man. Chris doesn't suddenly have something against her. He's obviously going to talk more about Bucky & Stark because we've seen more of Steve with those two characters. They're both central to the conflict of this movie too; Sharon's part is smaller. It's logical he'd see more in those relationships.

No, I'm reading into his answer about his preferred love interest for Cap, his refusal to answer a question about Steve/Sharon, and his interjected icky comments. Telling from these I just get the vibe that he doesn't support Sharon/Staron. I'm disappointed coz now that's the Russos and Evans not supporting Sharon/Staron and I really want to see her developed more in IW.