Should Luke Cage get his own on-going?

[Eros]

Hellz Yeah I'd buy it!

I'd rather a H4H written by Brubaker with Luke and Danny, but we got an IronFist ongoing so I'm gonna read that.

Now a Cage book written by BMB I'd read (even though I dislike BMB, he's good for Luke.) Also how does Luke have nothing to offer Sloth?

lets put it like this, Luke Cage is no Black Panther. The current Luke Cage IMO [and as a black teenager] is a white persons Take on Black character. Luke sterotipically marrys a white woman, talks about slavery, yet he has not idea what it was like. IMO current Luke Cage is an "uncle tom" and thus i would never pick up anything which he stars in. The only interesting [and best] ethnic character that marvel has, and is worthy of his own book is Black Panther.

 

[Anubis]

You know, I think you take an obviously antagonistic view point just so people will talk to you.

 

[Arach Knight]

Eros admits his blackness. And i'm going to assume Anubis is black, based on the fact that your profile quote is actually from a Mos Def song. Well, let me be the third black person to jump in. I always admired Luke Cage, as a kid. We didn't get too many mainstream characters to look to, for that sense of "belonging." I have basically outgrown the idea that everybody I look up to, has to belong to my ethnicity, but there is a certain point of pride, for seeing black people, showin in a more positive light. To that effect, I have to agree, that Marvel really has blaxploitated some of their stronger characters. If you read Marvels (a genius piece of Brubaker work) that is a pretty nice representation of Luke Cage. But now...he is more or less a walking stereotype. I'm not against some of them...I find myself more often than not, going on dates with women that aren't black. And it is truly a progressive and modern notion, to see people ignoring that.

I feel there are far better multiracial relationships that have occured in Marvel, with black characters, that didn't have the sting of gimmickery or explotation in them. Of course I am talking about, Storm and Forge. Also on my list of moments that sting, is the overly urbanized take on Bishop, that can be seen in uncanny. His choice of hip hop fashion utterly boggles me. Where as he was once articulate, he know engages in banter, usually associated with stereotypical black idioms. I also disapprove of the idea that Bishop lives in the X-Mansion (which is policed by Sentinels) yet has a sexual relationship with a white woman, who just so happens to be one of the over viewers of the Sentinel program being run there. It just screams "mandingo" stereotype to me.

However, this is neither here nor there, for the main conversation. While Luke's portrayal does bother me to some extent, I must say that with the category he falls into, he still remains a fairly well written character. His closeness to the street, provides him an easier dynamic to write with. I think stories involving just him, would be more fun. They would not be bound by convoluted continuity or over complex rogues etc. I think a Luke Cage book, would have the chance to sell better than the sagging Black Panther book.

 

[Varient]

lets put it like this, Luke Cage is no Black Panther. The current Luke Cage IMO [and as a black teenager] is a white persons Take on Black character. Luke sterotipically marrys a white woman, talks about slavery, yet he has not idea what it was like. IMO current Luke Cage is an "uncle tom" and thus i would never pick up anything which he stars in. The only interesting [and best] ethnic character that marvel has, and is worthy of his own book is Black Panther.

Scary.

I'm serious as far as exactly how you are to write an intelligent black teen who fell in with the wrong crowd but stuck to his principals throughout his time in marvel,. taking no guff from anybody,.. yet he's an uncle tom, going after doom,.. yet an uncle tom,.. he's the one that gives a crap about his actions,.. AKA knocking up a white woman yet "doing the right thing" yet he's an uncle tom.

You have my full attention "Eros" (Greek -aka white god of love), as far as giving a short synop on what constitutes a Cage that is NOT an Uncle Tom.

.(Yeah I'm stung - A BLACK AMERICAN MALE makes the premeir Super team @ Marvel without being a "token" AKA Falcon and Triathelon, The WHITE writer takes THE TIME to read up on the morals and behavior of the character, And SUMBODY pulls a "Black Like Me" and label him as simply an "uncle Tom)

TSK.

Oh yeah,.. u were the one that requires that you experience something before you have something to say on a subject,

Disregard my last - I'll leave it up to (my post) to show How shocked I am by the lack of thought in your current worldview - But I no longer req an explanation to something you really don't understand (Case in point - the term "Uncle Tom")

Save us from the extreme side of the stereotype for black folk where you must "be real" or "keep it real" by doing ONLY those things that make you "black."

 

[Varient]

You know, I think you take an obviously antagonistic view point just so people will talk to you.

I think he is the result of peer pressure with his head filled with nonsense as to what constitutes "being Black"

His mindset would label such as MLK or Malcomb X as "Uncle Toms" because both tried in their own ways to work within the system.

(Still Irritated.)

 

[Varient]

However, this is neither here nor there, for the main conversation. While Luke's portrayal does bother me to some extent, I must say that with the category he falls into, he still remains a fairly well written character. His closeness to the street, provides him an easier dynamic to write with. I think stories involving just him, would be more fun. They would not be bound by convoluted continuity or over complex rogues etc. I think a Luke Cage book, would have the chance to sell better than the sagging Black Panther book.

All was well said and covers my feeling in a shorter version than I could've produced.


Props.

 

[Eros]

Scary.

I'm serious as far as exactly how you are to write an intelligent black teen who fell in with the wrong crowd but stuck to his principals throughout his time in marvel,. taking no guff from anybody,.. yet he's an uncle tom, going after doom,.. yet an uncle tom,.. he's the one that gives a crap about his actions,.. AKA knocking up a white woman yet "doing the right thing" yet he's an uncle tom.

You have my full attention "Eros" (Greek -aka white god of love), as far as giving a short synop on what constitutes a Cage that is NOT an Uncle Tom.

.(Yeah I'm stung - A BLACK AMERICAN MALE makes the premeir Super team @ Marvel without being a "token" AKA Falcon and Triathelon, The WHITE writer takes THE TIME to read up on the morals and behavior of the character, And SUMBODY pulls a "Black Like Me" and label him as simply an "uncle Tom)

TSK.

Oh yeah,.. u were the one that requires that you experience something before you have something to say on a subject,

Disregard my last - I'll leave it up to (my post) to show How shocked I am by the lack of thought in your current worldview - But I no longer req an explanation to something you really don't understand (Case in point - the term "Uncle Tom")

Save us from the extreme side of the stereotype for black folk where you must "be real" or "keep it real" by doing ONLY those things that make you "black."

I stick buy my principles friend, you haven not lived my life, and i have not lived yours. Is it that odd that someone would have an extreme opinion that you don't agree with, or possibly dun understand?
Its just a ficitonal character, but ive read some of the crap from his original ongoing comic, and the other "thuggish" takes on the character . i admit i should not have called the character an Uncle Tom[i was wrong] but its not like other black people won't call him one. Its not the fact that Cage [the current vrsion] impregnanated and later married a white superheroine, its just the fact i saw it comeing a mile away. If Cage had married a black woman, now that would of surprised me.

 

[Arach Knight]

Luke Cage going for a white woman, plays on ideas of steroytpical nature...and it reverberates in the 616 (as we have seen Bishop do the same). However, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Like I said, it stings of gimmickry...but it is progressive. Why should he have to marry a "sister"? If it is truly about love, then skin should be irrelavent. Martin Luther King Jr. didn't die, fighting the good fight to end segregation, so that young black men such as yourself, could walk over the idea of intergration and acceptance (notice I don't use he word tolerance, which insinuates rejection).

It is a serious problem within the black community these days, to shun well to do black people, ones that don't associate with the lowest common denominator (I.E. watch BET) or who choose to co-opt aspects of other ethnic backgrounds, with which to identify (also see "acting white"). I'll be first in line to say I disapprove of ethnic gimmicks. Especially ones that derrogate black figures to being nothing more than token figures or thugs (I.E. Bishop). At the same time, i'm all for black people that date and marry outside their race, listen to forms of music that do not involve hip hop and RnB. I like to see black people who do things other than "act black." The instant that we can escape the meantlity that there is a certain way for any race to act, is the moment we get closer to finding something close to peace, in this world.

 

[Varient]

I stick buy my principles friend, you haven not lived my life, and i have not lived yours. Is it that odd that someone would have an extreme opinion that you don't agree with, or possibly dun understand?
Its just a ficitonal character, but ive read some of the crap from his original ongoing comic, and the other "thuggish" takes on the character . i admit i should not have called the character an Uncle Tom[i was wrong] but its not like other black people won't call him one. Its not the fact that Cage [the current vrsion] impregnanated and later married a white superheroine, its just the fact i saw it comeing a mile away. If Cage had married a black woman, now that would of surprised me.

Yup - got that right - I've not lived your life but at 18 it's a safe bet that you haven't done or experienced enough for your off the cuff opinion on something that you can't understand because you have not lived it.

It is not odd,.. it's sad that someone can be so unaware of the background that the character was written in front of.

Since I lived it from the time when there were NO black male superheroes,.. just somewhat weak BW and a few step an' fetch-it sidekicks,....

Luke Cage Hero for Hire was the first from Marvel that at least TRIED to put Blacks in a positive light AKA a hero not a stereotyped automatic Bad Man.

Black panther? I'm a fan but I tell you it bothers more than a few old heads that as far as Marvel was concerned the only "Good, Strong" Blackmen were not from AMERICA.


If you pulled your previous reading from the Essential Luke Cage,.. I suggest you track down the ORIGINAL printing - Because the Essential versions have been "White-Washed" with almost all racial words, overtones and situations taken out in an attempt to be PC and make the character more palatable to white readers of today.

As far as that "Max" short where Cage was completly Thugged out,... I'm STILL waiting for a black person to step up and say they liked it.

It was crude and over the top,.. taking someone smart enough to speak fluent Japanese when he wanted to - to be nothing more than a dumb thug.

On Marriage? I'm surprised it happened at all. Everything up to that point had him only sleeping with BW until "suddenly" ms marvel is telling folk that he was a cape chaser,... someone who went after and sexed only super females.

Hudlin gets on the bandwagon by having Luke admit that he thumped the Black Cat prior to getting serious with his wife.

I fully expected when he knocked her up that he would support the child,.. but not marry her because it is expected for Black Males - to not go that far.

My point of irritation is the casual dissmisal by you of a character because it doesn't fit "your spin" of how a Black man should be.

You are THE FIRST BP I have ever even read coming from the direction that if you don't experience something,... you can't be influenced by the reprecussions or the after effects,... nor can you (in your opinion ) Understand what it was about or like.

It's like scoffing at someone dripping wet who's father threw them to safety then drowned.
By your logic,.. since the son did not drown like his father did.. he can't understand - really understand how his father died,.. and being wet is "nothing" like going thru the experience of drowning,... so the son should be discounted on anything he has to say on the subject.

Here it is 2006 and we still have the most cases where we are stopped or shot at with little provocation,... we are all painted as bad for the actions of individuals.
"We are still wet"

During Slavery we were killed on a whim, raped on a whim, traded and sold like cattle.
After Slavery UNTIL THE 1950's, We were subject to be killed by bored white folk, our women were STILL subject to be raped by WM who would then say that the 14 year old girl really wanted to be gang raped by four white men.. "you know how those black girls are" and that we should just keep tighter control over our women.
Today we are reading and seeing case after case of Blacks being abused by whites based on color always in cases where the whites fully didn't expect to get caught.

We are wet,.... but can't undrstand what it is to drown?

I give you credit for admitting error on the Uncle Tom crack.

But I really don't think you understand the context of the character.

V.

 

[Eros]

Luke Cage going for a white woman, plays on ideas of steroytpical nature...and it reverberates in the 616 (as we have seen Bishop do the same). However, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Like I said, it stings of gimmickry...but it is progressive. Why should he have to marry a "sister"? If it is truly about love, then skin should be irrelavent. Martin Luther King Jr. didn't die, fighting the good fight to end segregation, so that young black men such as yourself, could walk over the idea of intergration and acceptance (notice I don't use he word tolerance, which insinuates rejection).

It is a serious problem within the black community these days, to shun well to do black people, ones that don't associate with the lowest common denominator (I.E. watch BET) or who choose to co-opt aspects of other ethnic backgrounds, with which to identify (also see "acting white"). I'll be first in line to say I disapprove of ethnic gimmicks. Especially ones that derrogate black figures to being nothing more than token figures or thugs (I.E. Bishop). At the same time, i'm all for black people that date and marry outside their race, listen to forms of music that do not involve hip hop and RnB. I like to see black people who do things other than "act black." The instant that we can escape the meantlity that there is a certain way for any race to act, is the moment we get closer to finding something close to peace, in this world.

I guess i agree with what you[and Varient] saying,I dated a white girl once, and i got destroyed for doing so buy people who lived in my neighborhood at the time. The girl parents also weren't so keen on their daughter dateing me, It was obvious to me and her they didn't like me. I listened to rock and roll music once at school, when some kids found out, i got joked on buy alot of my black peers the entire day. Anybody that does something that "white people do" in the words of the black kids at my old school, where "uncle toms" and "had gone white". I decided i would never ever date a white girl again, and i stopped listening to rock and roll music. Now if my black friends ever found out i read comic books, i would never hear the end of it.

 

[Eros]

Yup - got that right - I've not lived your life but at 18 it's a safe bet that you haven't done or experienced enough for your off the cuff opinion on something that you can't understand because you have not lived it.

It is not odd,.. it's sad that someone can be so unaware of the background that the character was written in front of.

Since I lived it from the time when there were NO black male superheroes,.. just somewhat weak BW and a few step an' fetch-it sidekicks,....

Luke Cage Hero for Hire was the first from Marvel that at least TRIED to put Blacks in a positive light AKA a hero not a stereotyped automatic Bad Man.

Black panther? I'm a fan but I tell you it bothers more than a few old heads that as far as Marvel was concerned the only "Good, Strong" Blackmen were not from AMERICA.


If you pulled your previous reading from the Essential Luke Cage,.. I suggest you track down the ORIGINAL printing - Because the Essential versions have been "White-Washed" with almost all racial words, overtones and situations taken out in an attempt to be PC and make the character more palatable to white readers of today.

As far as that "Max" short where Cage was completly Thugged out,... I'm STILL waiting for a black person to step up and say they liked it.

It was crude and over the top,.. taking someone smart enough to speak fluent Japanese when he wanted to - to be nothing more than a dumb thug.

On Marriage? I'm surprised it happened at all. Everything up to that point had him only sleeping with BW until "suddenly" ms marvel is telling folk that he was a cape chaser,... someone who went after and sexed only super females.

Hudlin gets on the bandwagon by having Luke admit that he thumped the Black Cat prior to getting serious with his wife.

I fully expected when he knocked her up that he would support the child,.. but not marry her because it is expected for Black Males - to not go that far.

My point of irritation is the casual dissmisal by you of a character because it doesn't fit "your spin" of how a Black man should be.

You are THE FIRST BP I have ever even read coming from the direction that if you don't experience something,... you can't be influenced by the reprecussions or the after effects,... nor can you (in your opinion ) Understand what it was about or like.

It's like scoffing at someone dripping wet who's father threw them to safety then drowned.
By your logic,.. since the son did not drown like his father did.. he can't understand - really understand how his father died,.. and being wet is "nothing" like going thru the experience of drowning,... so the son should be discounted on anything he has to say on the subject.

Here it is 2006 and we still have the most cases where we are stopped or shot at with little provocation,... we are all painted as bad for the actions of individuals.
"We are still wet"

During Slavery we were killed on a whim, raped on a whim, traded and sold like cattle.
After Slavery UNTIL THE 1950's, We were subject to be killed by bored white folk, our women were STILL subject to be raped by WM who would then say that the 14 year old girl really wanted to be gang raped by four white men.. "you know how those black girls are" and that we should just keep tighter control over our women.
Today we are reading and seeing case after case of Blacks being abused by whites based on color always in cases where the whites fully didn't expect to get caught.

We are wet,.... but can't undrstand what it is to drown?

I give you credit for admitting error on the Uncle Tom crack.

But I really don't think you understand the context of the character.

V.

I really do understand what your saying Varient, but it[the world] just doesn't work like that not even in 2006. Their are basic rules that afro-americans supposedly follow [atleast from what i expereinced and observed].

Rule 1- You have to like Rap Music.
Rule 2- If you listen to rock and roll you have become a white guy.
Rule 3- black guys can sleep with a white girl, but if you date her or marry her, your a "sell out".
Rule 3- If you grew up rich and wealthy and in a good enviorment, you "dun know what its like to be a real black person".
Rule 4- If a black guy becomes a cop, they are also a "sell out".
Rule 5- black people who "talk and act like a white person" is a sell out.

Those are the just some of todays "rules", now these are based on my own expereince and movies,TV,reality shows, asking people, and numerous other things ive studied or expreinced growing up. Do i think these rules are right, no, but thats how alot of black people go about their lives in my area.

 

[Varient]

I guess i agree with what you[and Varient] saying,I dated a white girl once, and i got destroyed for doing so buy people who lived in my neighborhood at the time. The girl parents also weren't so keen on their daughter dateing me, It was obvious to me and her they didn't like me. I listened to rock and roll music once at school, when some kids found out, i got joked on buy alot of my black peers the entire day. Anybody that does something that "white people do" in the words of the black kids at my old school, where "uncle toms" and "had gone white". I decided i would never ever date a white girl again, and i stopped listening to rock and roll music. Now if my black friends ever found out i read comic books, i would never hear the end of it.

Understand this,. do your own research:
"Rock and Roll" was invented by Black people.
With exception of Music developed in Europe AND a strain of Blue Grass music from the Eastern Midwest,... All of todays popular music has it's roots in or was invented by African Americans.
All.
Country
R&b
Rock
Acid Rock
heavy metal
Jazz
Soul

Even the "alternative" music takes a Nod from what Blacks came up with over the last century or so.

And please - they are not your friends if reading something in particular makes you a sell out. It makes them limited in scope with no real future.

V.

 

[roach]

I really do understand what your saying Varient, but it[the world] just doesn't work like that not even in 2006. Their are basic rules that afro-americans supposedly follow [atleast from what i expereinced and observed].

Rule 1- You have to like Rap Music.
Rule 2- If you listen to rock and roll you have become a white guy.
Rule 3- black guys can sleep with a white girl, but if you date her or marry her, your a "sell out".
Rule 3- If you grew up rich and wealthy and in a good enviorment, you "dun know what its like to be a real black person".
Rule 4- If a black guy becomes a cop, they are also a "sell out".
Rule 5- black people who "talk and act like a white person" is a sell out.

Those are the just some of todays "rules", now these are based on my own expereince and movies,TV,reality shows, asking people, and numerous other things ive studied or expreinced growing up. Do i think these rules are right, no, but thats how alot of black people go about their lives in my area.

there are rules now...dammmit i didnt get my hand book

 

[SpideyInATree]

I think now would be a good time to give him his own series. Seeing that Bendis creams over the guy and if Bendis wrote the debut of the book it would probably do quite well.

I'm still pissed that they cancelled The Pulse, that was pretty much like a series for Luke Cage....in a way.

 

[Anubis]

Wow, just wow. Eros dude, I think you need to realize that as an individual, you don't have to follow anybody's "rules" to blackness. (which is total bulls**t I might add. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting that s**t.) I learned a long time ago not to give a rats ass about what people think. I read comics, I listen to rock, I date outside my race, and I can hold a conversation without an obligatory "You know what I'm sayin'?". Anybody got a problem with that they can go to hell. You're just a kid really, and I suppose you haven't realized that you don't have to be like everybody else. You don't have to conform to what society supposedly wants you to be. Get a backbone and be your own man for Christ sakes. That's a problem with a lot people in general. Too busy trying to fit in and be like everybody else. I'm reminded of a line from a Gnarls Barkley song, "Everybody wants to be somebody, but nobody wants to be themselves." That's so true it's sickening.

 

[Arach Knight]

Anybody that does something that "white people do" in the words of the black kids at my old school, where "uncle toms" and "had gone white". I decided i would never ever date a white girl again, and i stopped listening to rock and roll music. Now if my black friends ever found out i read comic books, i would never hear the end of it.

Any person that tells you that, is full of more s*** than a cow pasture. Most black people who say things like that, are usually pretty lost on what black means. Sure they can tell you the obvious stuff. Billie Holiday, Martin Luther King, Civil Rights...but ask them about the deeper history. Ask them about Marcus Garvey or Hannibal of Carthage. Ask them who Steven Biko is. Chances are, they'll call you a nerd who reads to much. Being black, is greater than a single music, fashion choice, or way of thinking. There is no reason to appear underhwelming in this society. As a young black man...no scratch that...all black people owe it to our legacy, heritage and ourselves, to be the best possible presented image, that there can be. As we are here discussing the idea of stereotypical characters in a comic book, we can already see the impact of "acting black." Don't give people a reason to judge you inaccurately, based on a pretentious list of idiosyncracies that you are supposed to follow. Defy people expectations in the best way, at all times. And if it makes you feel any better, i'll list some noable achievements by blacks, that don't go into the stereotype

Martial Arts:
Capoeira (formed in Africa, maintained in Brazil)

Rock n Roll:
Chuck Berry
Living Colour
Seven Dust (Lajon Witherspoon)

Japanese history:
Yasuke (an African slave, turned informal samurai for Oda Nobunaga)

Famous Black Men, married to other ethnicities:
Weslney Snipes (Asian Wife)
Ice T (White Wife)
Kobe Bryant (Mexican Wife)

There are far more examples...but you get the idea. Define your blackness...don't let blackness define you.

 

[RockSP]

The Immortal Iron Fist is being written by Ed Brubaker and Matt Fraction. Yeah, it's going to be good.

Yeah, but I was talking about Cage. Didn't the ''hood'' comment--not to mention the thread title--give it away?

 

[samurai black]

I really do understand what your saying Varient, but it[the world] just doesn't work like that not even in 2006. Their are basic rules that afro-americans supposedly follow [atleast from what i expereinced and observed].

Rule 1- You have to like Rap Music.
Rule 2- If you listen to rock and roll you have become a white guy.
Rule 3- black guys can sleep with a white girl, but if you date her or marry her, your a "sell out".
Rule 3- If you grew up rich and wealthy and in a good enviorment, you "dun know what its like to be a real black person".
Rule 4- If a black guy becomes a cop, they are also a "sell out".
Rule 5- black people who "talk and act like a white person" is a sell out.

Those are the just some of todays "rules", now these are based on my own expereince and movies,TV,reality shows, asking people, and numerous other things ive studied or expreinced growing up. Do i think these rules are right, no, but thats how alot of black people go about their lives in my area.

What in the hell?
1. There were african americans in music before rap music became popular and there will be african americans afterwards. Actually a majority of african americans prefer rhythm and blues.
2.Many african americans have contributed to the art form know as rock and roll (Jimmy Hendrix anyone)
3. To each his own. I don't think people died over segregation so that we can continue to just date only within our race.
3. So all of the african americans who ever overcame adversity to become successful then don't realize what it meant to be black?
4. www.blackpolice.org
5. I guess all of the college educated african amercians throughout history owe their race an apology.

But to be back on subject, of course Luke Cage needs an ongoing mini. He's a popular character (no matter his race) who has a strong enough history, growing supporting cast, and enough connections to the MU to keep his book in sync.

 

[32CAGE]

Yup - got that right - I've not lived your life but at 18 it's a safe bet that you haven't done or experienced enough for your off the cuff opinion on something that you can't understand because you have not lived it.

It is not odd,.. it's sad that someone can be so unaware of the background that the character was written in front of.

Since I lived it from the time when there were NO black male superheroes,.. just somewhat weak BW and a few step an' fetch-it sidekicks,....

Luke Cage Hero for Hire was the first from Marvel that at least TRIED to put Blacks in a positive light AKA a hero not a stereotyped automatic Bad Man.

Black panther? I'm a fan but I tell you it bothers more than a few old heads that as far as Marvel was concerned the only "Good, Strong" Blackmen were not from AMERICA.


If you pulled your previous reading from the Essential Luke Cage,.. I suggest you track down the ORIGINAL printing - Because the Essential versions have been "White-Washed" with almost all racial words, overtones and situations taken out in an attempt to be PC and make the character more palatable to white readers of today.

As far as that "Max" short where Cage was completly Thugged out,... I'm STILL waiting for a black person to step up and say they liked it.

It was crude and over the top,.. taking someone smart enough to speak fluent Japanese when he wanted to - to be nothing more than a dumb thug.

On Marriage? I'm surprised it happened at all. Everything up to that point had him only sleeping with BW until "suddenly" ms marvel is telling folk that he was a cape chaser,... someone who went after and sexed only super females.

Hudlin gets on the bandwagon by having Luke admit that he thumped the Black Cat prior to getting serious with his wife.

I fully expected when he knocked her up that he would support the child,.. but not marry her because it is expected for Black Males - to not go that far.

My point of irritation is the casual dissmisal by you of a character because it doesn't fit "your spin" of how a Black man should be.

You are THE FIRST BP I have ever even read coming from the direction that if you don't experience something,... you can't be influenced by the reprecussions or the after effects,... nor can you (in your opinion ) Understand what it was about or like.

It's like scoffing at someone dripping wet who's father threw them to safety then drowned.
By your logic,.. since the son did not drown like his father did.. he can't understand - really understand how his father died,.. and being wet is "nothing" like going thru the experience of drowning,... so the son should be discounted on anything he has to say on the subject.

Here it is 2006 and we still have the most cases where we are stopped or shot at with little provocation,... we are all painted as bad for the actions of individuals.
"We are still wet"

During Slavery we were killed on a whim, raped on a whim, traded and sold like cattle.
After Slavery UNTIL THE 1950's, We were subject to be killed by bored white folk, our women were STILL subject to be raped by WM who would then say that the 14 year old girl really wanted to be gang raped by four white men.. "you know how those black girls are" and that we should just keep tighter control over our women.
Today we are reading and seeing case after case of Blacks being abused by whites based on color always in cases where the whites fully didn't expect to get caught.

We are wet,.... but can't undrstand what it is to drown?

I give you credit for admitting error on the Uncle Tom crack.

But I really don't think you understand the context of the character.

V.

I have restrained myself from staying out of this discussion but Varient, you put it better than i ever could.

 

[deemar325]

Damn this got ugly quick.

How about you guys cool it.

 

[deemar325]

there are rules now...dammmit i didnt get my hand book

I keep mine by my nightstand. t:

 

[Crowforge]

Ignoring the uglyness I don't know what'll happen after CW but provided cap wins he looks set to be an avenger.
Edit: jesus there are a lot of sterotypical things (read: sexfiend) I'd remove before I'd give him his own series

 

[Black Panther]

Hell yes to a Cage ongoing. I'd get every issue for sure. I'm sure if there was a great team on the book it'd be great. Hoping the possibility of it happening it really high. Specially after Civil War.

 

[Varient]

Nothing Ugly here,... SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
I got nothing against Eros.. but he needs to realize that being Black is not a set of mannerisms that you pull from a guide or handbook. Once you realize that the bottom line is to be A PERSON, Then a Man or Woman of character, Then to live your LIFE however you feel best with and DA H@LL with what other folk think.
Nothing wrong with having PRIDE or simple CURIOSITY as to where you come from as long as you don't let it DEFINE you as a person.


ON TOPIC:
Even if he's made an Avenger,... Having his own title if written correctly would be a bonus as far as I'm concerned. I have Idea's,... starting with Drama as a few women from Cage's Past show up and wanna know "WHY HER AND NOT ME????


V.

 

[Crowforge]

Homewrecker.
I do not like that idea. I'd like to move as far away from his sex life as possible.