Should Luke Cage get his own on-going?

Weiser_Cain said:
Homewrecker.
I do not like that idea. I'd like to move as far away from his sex life as possible.
wouldn't highlite his sex life,.... only his "history" with women that for one reason or another he chose not to settle down with.

Comics as a rule tend to ignore the more obvious reprecussions of the actions of some of their heroes.

for example: if Spidey picks up and smashes a volkswagon rabbit into the face of a sentinal,..... who's rabbit is it? did he have insurance in the instance where it is used as a hammer?


In cages case,... no one has ever looked closely at a married couple who were not childhood sweethearts,....

You have to wonder what the ex's on both sides are thinking,....
 
I think that is the point of Civil War...to highlight responsibility for actions that are usually not taken into account (such as public expense for cleaning up collateral damage, during fights).
 
Okay lets say Cage does get a ongoing, what would draw people in. If alot of people are not investing in the current Black Panther series, why would they be interested in a Luke Cage one? Panther is arguably more interesting then Luke Cage, but his books sales are low.
 
Arach Knight said:
I think that is the point of Civil War...to highlight responsibility for actions that are usually not taken into account (such as public expense for cleaning up collateral damage, during fights).
Which in my view would be a great step off point for a Cage Series.

CAGE:
1. His history is full of pro-bono,... He has always been for the "little guy"

2. Unlike the nonsense that Reed and Sue go thru,... this could be a chance for Marvel to show marriage that doesn't involve a wife Having to drag her husband from his "interests" everytime she wants Attention. Cage doesn't operate from having interests that interfere with a personal life.

3. It'll be unique to discover whether his daughter has manifested the durability from her parents,.. or will she have to wait in Marvel fashion until puberty?

4. How will Super Villians respond to sumbody who may be irritated at having his 3am diaper run interrupted with them robbing a Jewelry store?

5. If Marvel doesn't Destroy the Parker Marriage,... Will the semi-friends, (They have a history of being able to talk when they get together.), Start doing domestic stuff? I'd like a story where Spidey and Powerman go to Wally World and end up having to do stuff out of costume to save the day.


And I'm not EVEN getting into the sorta stuff that the Fantastic Four doesn't worry about that You or I would by not having a Multi-Millionaire company behind us.

Yes,... Marvel has a rich field to mind from if they just THINK!!!!.


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Eros said:
Okay lets say Cage does get a ongoing, what would draw people in. If alot of people are not investing in the current Black Panther series, why would they be interested in a Luke Cage one? Panther is arguably more interesting then Luke Cage, but his books sales are low.
I'm going to say it, even though it doesn't belong on this thread,.. or on this board:
IMPO the reason why the Panthers sales are ALWAYS so low is that it steps on too many toes to consider that a Black man can out prep time their favorites, out money or out tech their favorites, in too many cases out fight their favs,... all who happen to be white,..

It doesn't matter if it's understated,.. or not drawn overly into the Marvel Mainstream - just think back to the howling when BP beat Captain America,... or when BP beat Iron Man THREE TIMES in THREE FIGHTS that Tony Stark STARTED.


Tack onto that that the character is difficult to relate to with a large portion of the reader base being able to suspend belief on Norse Gods and InHumans on the moon,.. but these same readers goggle and argue that an african nation made up of high tech black folk can't exist in any world,....

For some strange reason,... it's not palatable for the majority of readers that someone they can't relate to can do what the panther can,.... and he's what would be classed a "street-level" hero.



All that Keeps the Black Panther from taking off.

Luke Cage is relatable IMPO because the character resonates with those who are lower middleclass to upper middle class, who have Blue and white collar level jobs, who tend to prefer to want to do the right thing regardless of what the concequences may be.

In my mind his closest equiv on the white side remains Ben Grimm,.... followed by Captain America.
(Waiting for the flaming to begin.)


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so people will only read about a black comic book hero if he or she is poor or middle class?
 
Sad isn't it? In truth, If Bendis Wrote it, it would sell in the top ten. At worst the top 50.
 
Anubis said:
^ Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thank you,... Contrary to the way I come off,...


I do try.

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Eros said:
so people will only read about a black comic book hero if he or she is poor or middle class?
Apparently.

I look at how Night Thrasher was abused and then dumbed down,... and then killed,....

he was Bruce Wayne level money, Potenial Iron man level tech, Within the Luke Cage / Captain America level of fighting range, and was supposed to be very smart and business savy.


Sigh.
 
I believe Black Panther has no recognition, becuase the character is poorly handled. His origins and motives are interesting enough (similar in a way to Wonder Woman...both coming from an isolated nation, where they had to win a challenge, for the right to their mantle)...but most people can't name Black Panthers small rogues gallery (even i'm unaware of his particular villains). His status as a political figure, seems to dwarf his status as a vigilante...making Black Panther seem more like an officiary of business, rather than an actual "super hero." Even if he was formerly in the Avengers.

Luke Cage on the other hand, is down, dirty and simple. He fights street level crime, which automatically boosts his likability. He also was a successful character, in the long running Heroes For Hire book. He has a better established fanbase, than Black Panther.
 
I always thought it funny that people can believe in aliens and gods, men warped by science, men who make themselves the smartest and best...but cant believe in an advanced civilization that comes from Africa
 
Arach Knight said:
I believe Black Panther has no recognition, becuase the character is poorly handled. His origins and motives are interesting enough (similar in a way to Wonder Woman...both coming from an isolated nation, where they had to win a challenge, for the right to their mantle)...but most people can't name Black Panthers small rogues gallery (even i'm unaware of his particular villains). His status as a political figure, seems to dwarf his status as a vigilante...making Black Panther seem more like an officiary of business, rather than an actual "super hero." Even if he was formerly in the Avengers.

Luke Cage on the other hand, is down, dirty and simple. He fights street level crime, which automatically boosts his likability. He also was a successful character, in the long running Heroes For Hire book. He has a better established fanbase, than Black Panther.
I disagree because Priest did an EXCELLENT Job with the character,..... but what I believe was apparently very much in effect, hence the low sales,....... and this lack of relatability - effects the efforts of Hudlin also.

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Not to side track too much, but that has been a huge problem for the black community at large, for a very long time. In most cases, academia refuse to associate black people (of African descent) with any notable historical achievement, that was prior to white intervention (also see: slavery). For instance, Hannibal of Carthage, is a well known general. He defeated the Romans, with less than half as many troops, and was noted for his strategic brilliance. He hailed from North Africa, and many people in academia are insistent that he could not have been "black." They even have a derogatory sounding term, for darker Africans. They call them sub-saharan (refering to a supposed tone darkness, where whites lived in north africa and blacks lived below the sahara). The term itself seems to imply "sub-standard," The pyramids, from the ancient Egyptians, are typically claimed to have come from a race that was closer to white people, than black people. It is often a source of debate, about black presence in the royal heirarchy. At best, i'v seen most sources claim that black pharoes were present, but only in the latter dynasties, after Egypt had built the pyramids. Even though there are various sources of early white expiditions, in which they returned to note that they saw "negroes," most academic sources claim that these people were mistaken, and merely labeled all dark skin people, as black. It's quite an uphill battle, for anybody to believe that black people can do much of anything, historically or currently. That's why I spend most of my time, being the antithesis of that image.
 
roach said:
I always thought it funny that people can believe in aliens and gods, men warped by science, men who make themselves the smartest and best...but cant believe in an advanced civilization that comes from Africa
It's a mental block brought about by how folk are raised in this country.
 
If Luke Cage is written good (i.e not a sterotype), He has a good rogues gallery, gets some more powers as being strong and bullet proof is pretty generic and explores his past more like the 90s series did then I think it would sell well. Orginality is the key to a great comic in my opinon.
 
Arach Knight said:
Not to side track too much, but that has been a huge problem for the black community at large, for a very long time. In most cases, academia refuse to associate black people (of African descent) with any notable historical achievement, that was prior to white intervention (also see: slavery). For instance, Hannibal of Carthage, is a well known general. He defeated the Romans, with less than half as many troops, and was noted for his strategic brilliance. He hailed from North Africa, and many people in academia are insistent that he could not have been "black." They even have a derogatory sounding term, for darker Africans. They call them sub-saharan (refering to a supposed tone darkness, where whites lived in north africa and blacks lived below the sahara). The term itself seems to imply "sub-standard," The pyramids, from the ancient Egyptians, are typically claimed to have come from a race that was closer to white people, than black people. It is often a source of debate, about black presence in the royal heirarchy. At best, i'v seen most sources claim that black pharoes were present, but only in the latter dynasties, after Egypt had built the pyramids. Even though there are various sources of early white expiditions, in which they returned to note that they saw "negroes," most academic sources claim that these people were mistaken, and merely labeled all dark skin people, as black. It's quite an uphill battle, for anybody to believe that black people can do much of anything, historically or currently. That's why I spend most of my time, being the antithesis of that image.
Heh,.. U want an example of what I'm talking about,... go back and read EVERYTHING contributed by "Sloth7d."
 
chamber-music said:
If Luke Cage is written good (i.e not a sterotype), He has a good rogues gallery, gets some more powers as being strong and bullet proof is pretty generic and explores his past more like the 90s series did then I think it would sell well. Orginality is the key to a great comic in my opinon.
New powers or upgrades on his current?

Consider the following:

Collossus has the same powers when he turns them on.
Wonderman has the same powers - they recently added flight.
I can think of maybe 15 Marvel Characters including the Thing and Sabra who only have Durability and Strength,.... and they are all considered more popular than Cage IMHO because they are white.
Sorry,... but I don't think a change in powers would do it,...

V.
 
I don't know, I kinda wish he was in the 95 ton range. I mean, him suddenly being able to shoot lasers out of his eyes would be stupid, but he should at least be as strong as the other strong and durable guys.
 
Did you say Wolverine recently gained flight? When did that happen...and why????
 
Arach Knight said:
Did you say Wolverine recently gained flight? When did that happen...and why????
?
No.

WONDERMAN did.

Wolverine only flies when he's tossed,....
 
Yeah I just realized that it said Wonderman. I didn't read the entire word. I just saw the first two letters, and I already pressumed it to say Wolverine.
 
Varient said:
New powers or upgrades on his current?

Consider the following:

Collossus has the same powers when he turns them on.
Wonderman has the same powers - they recently added flight.
I can think of maybe 15 Marvel Characters including the Thing and Sabra who only have Durability and Strength,.... and they are all considered more popular than Cage IMHO because they are white.
Sorry,... but I don't think a change in powers would do it,...

V.

I'd just increase his strength so that he is in the Heavy hitters range
 

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