Should Rogue be sent packing?

[ico]

I get Rogue's situation, & yes it sucks, but part of wearing that black leather uniform is accepting & embracing who you are. All she was basically saying was that being a mutant isn't a virus. You can't cure mutation; you can only undo it.

Don't get me wrong, I can completely agree with what Storm is saying. In a perfect world, she should be able to stand up and say "there is nothing wrong with us, we don't need curing!" but I can't imagine her staying up there on that high horse if she were in Rogue's situation.

I just got the feeling from Storm that she would not have respected Rogue's decision to take the cure. Yes, its' one thing to be proud of being different, Storm especially. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of having her power?? But it's another thing if you were Rogue. With power full of negatives and hardly a single positive, if any. Rogue's power would be the ultimate burden to her, her entire life.

It's like saying a disabled person should reject a cure they could take on the grounds of "they should be proud of who they were born to be", even though to them it may be a huge burden on their lives.

 

[Baredevil]

We're forgetting the concept of CHOICE that the cure initially presented, Chris. Rogue MAY have decided to join her mutant kin at the Academy, but she was presented with a choice notto a be mutant anymore. And I think that was one of the major points the movie glossed over.

Storm and Rogue encapsulated in a nutshell what the other mutants underwent when the cure was announced. One thinks that the very notion is an insult; the other thinks it is a Godsend.

Just my two cents'.

 

[ico]

We're forgetting the concept of CHOICE that the cure initially presented, Chris. Rogue MAY have decided to join her mutant kin at the Academy, but she was presented with a choice notto a be mutant anymore. And I think that was one of the major points the movie glossed over.

Storm and Rogue encapsulated in a nutshell what the other mutants underwent when the cure was announced. One thinks that the very notion is an insult; the other thinks it is a Godsend.

Just my two cents'.

Good points.

Here's another question I'd like to ask people;

If there was a hideously deformed mutant, with lets say, an anus on their face and they wanted to take the cure, would you hold it against them?
If not, how can you say it's alright for one person to take it, and not for another.

 

[MaleRogue]

Well i think its bull**** that Rogue should leave....i'm for sure she will get her powers back and she will be an x-men

 

[Chris Wallace]

Don't get me wrong, I can completely agree with what Storm is saying. In a perfect world, she should be able to stand up and say "there is nothing wrong with us, we don't need curing!" but I can't imagine her staying up there on that high horse if she were in Rogue's situation.

I just got the feeling from Storm that she would not have respected Rogue's decision to take the cure. Yes, its' one thing to be proud of being different, Storm especially. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of having her power?? But it's another thing if you were Rogue. With power full of negatives and hardly a single positive, if any. Rogue's power would be the ultimate burden to her, her entire life.

It's like saying a disabled person should reject a cure they could take on the grounds of "they should be proud of who they were born to be", even though to them it may be a huge burden on their lives.

No-a disability is a bad example. Most people would want to gain the abilities that they were deprived of either by an accident or by birth. And society's not screaming "Get rid of the cripples!!!"
Storm most likely wouldn't be too thrilled about Rogue's decision-at least not at first. And while Storm's power may rock, I somehow doubt being a black woman w/white hair whose eyes occasionally blank out is all peaches & cream. May not be as bad as not being able to touch someone; Storm can clearly do that.
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But being what she is has to have brought its share of burdens or she wouldn't wear the X.

 

[Decay]

Taking the cure was an individual decision for each mutant. They are the masters of their own life and they are the only one who can decide either they want to be humans or mutants. So how could we blame any of them for taking the cure? So my point is that Rogue should not be blamed!

 

[Baredevil]

Storm could ALWAYS have dyed her hair and worn shades. Rogue couldn't even TOUCH people without killing them. The difference between the way their powers manifest themselves - and the resulting influence in their lives - is vast.

 

[Chris Wallace]

We're forgetting the concept of CHOICE that the cure initially presented, Chris. Rogue MAY have decided to join her mutant kin at the Academy, but she was presented with a choice notto a be mutant anymore. And I think that was one of the major points the movie glossed over.

Storm and Rogue encapsulated in a nutshell what the other mutants underwent when the cure was announced. One thinks that the very notion is an insult; the other thinks it is a Godsend.

Just my two cents'.

I do agree with this point. I don't, however, feel that the matter was glossed over.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Storm could ALWAYS have dyed her hair and worn shades. Rogue couldn't even TOUCH people without killing them. The difference between the way their powers manifest themselves - and the resulting influence in their lives - is vast.

Keep in mind also that her chief reason-regardless of what she may have said-for taking the cure was Bobby. And he didn't want her to.

 

[ico]

No-a disability is a bad example. Most people would want to gain the abilities that they were deprived of either by an accident or by birth.

How is Rogue wanting to gain the ability to touch, that was deprived from her, any different?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Taking the cure was an individual decision for each mutant. They are the masters of their own life and they are the only one who can decide either they want to be humans or mutants. So how could we blame any of them for taking the cure? So my point is that Rogue should not be blamed!

Except-the "cure" wasn't created to help the Rogues of the world live happier lives. If it was they never would've weaponized it. Worthington wouldn't have strapped his son down & tried to force it on him. It was for the benefit of normal humans who don't want to face mutants anymore. Anyone who submitted voluntarily was just one less problem they'd have to face once they started using it on a large scale. So by submitting to the "cure", you're actually aiding in the annihilation of your own kind.

 

[ico]

Keep in mind also that her chief reason-regardless of what she may have said-for taking the cure was Bobby. And he didn't want her to.

I sort of agree here. I do think Bobby had a lot to do with her choice but I tink she generally just wanted to be able to touch people. Remember what she said to Logan, something along the lines of:

"I wanna be able to touch people, Logan. A hug. A handshake. A kiss."

Notice she used the word, people, and not just Bobby. So she obviously feels as though she is blocked off from most people in her life by her inability to touch.

 

[ico]

Except-the "cure" wasn't created to help the Rogues of the world live happier lives. If it was they never would've weaponized it. Worthington wouldn't have strapped his son down & tried to force it on him. It was for the benefit of normal humans who don't want to face mutants anymore. Anyone who submitted voluntarily was just one less problem they'd have to face once they started using it on a large scale. So by submitting to the "cure", you're actually aiding in the annihilation of your own kind.

Bare in mind, that Rogue didn't know any of this.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's another thing; she could've helped in the fight at Alcatraz but instead she bailed. If that doesn't disqualify you from being an X-Man, what does?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Storm could ALWAYS have dyed her hair and worn shades.

Yes, she could have. But she didn't want to. Like Mystique said, "We shouldn't HAVE to." In that one regard the X-Men & the Brotherhood are the same; they want a world where mutants shouldn't have to live in fear or give up their powers in order to be accepted by society.

 

[ico]

That's another thing; she could've helped in the fight at Alcatraz but instead she bailed. If that doesn't disqualify you from being an X-Man, what does?

Again, Rogue had no idea about the battle at Alcatraz.

You keep using points to put Rogue's decision down, and she didn't even know about half of them. Such as the cure being weaponised or the battle of Alcatraz.

 

[Baredevil]

Yes, they shouldn't HAVE to.

But Rogue WANTED to.

And therein lay the difference.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Again, Rogue had no idea about the battle at Alcatraz.

You keep using points to put Rogue's decision down, and she didn't even know about half of them. Such as the cure being weaponised or the battle of Alcatraz.

Perhaps had she not been so quick to run away from the people who took her in when she had nowhere else to go, saved her life & had been her family ever since, she would've known.

 

[Rowen]

Just a note - there is no "over the years". X1 to X3 all happen within a one year time frame for the character which has nothing to do with the years it took to get all three films out. While yes she has bonded with these people it's not like it's been years of her life which is another reason I don't get all mushy about how she must stay at the school when it is for characters who are mutants learning to use their powers. She is not doing that anymore and she does have a family out there. Kick her out? - no but why she wouldn't eventually leave I expect to happen pretty quickly as she's going to find she still doesn't fit in - at least not there anymore.

It goes against everything the x-men stood for, if porf. xavier, wolverine, iceman & whoever else she made friends with, just all of a sudden befriended her & cut her off , like everything that the xmen & her have been through, never happened,

would be so unholy. i just don't see them doing that. porf. x is nothing like magneteo. we saw what magneto did to mystique during x-3. that was very cold hearted. writting mystique off like she doesn't exist anymore, just becsue she isn't a mutant anymore. & more important she saved magneto's from getting the injection.

( talk about a good honest loyalty) & all he can do is say your one of them now. he said that to a person who stuck by his side through thick & thin. i don't know about you but i HATE betrayel

but if prof. x & the others did what magneto did to mystique, than the whole story of the x-men would be a big utter lie:

rogue should be able to stay as long as she wants. but if she decides to leave , then she should have the right to come back & visit the school & her friends anytime she wants.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Myqtique didn't deserve to be left on the floor naked after sacrificing herself for Magneto, no. But to say the X-Men would be betrsying Rogue when she betrayed them? Come on.

 

[ico]

Perhaps had she not been so quick to run away from the people who took her in when she had nowhere else to go, saved her life & had been her family ever since, she would've known.

Are you serious?! My god, I can't get over you..

I give up on this now. I really do.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Hey-ignorance is no excuse.

 

[Rowen]

Myqtique didn't deserve to be left on the floor naked after sacrificing herself for Magneto, no. But to say the X-Men would be betrsying Rogue when she betrayed them? Come on.

How did rogue betray them??? by taking the cure!??? no!!!. she made a dignified desicion, one that left her satisfied. even though bobby/iceman didn't fully agree with it , he understood why. just as wolverine , storm, beats, ect. will begin to understand why she took the cure.

but their was no way at all, no evedience shown that rouge betrayed the x-men.

 

[ico]

I'm starting to think that Chris Wallace seems to be really biased against Rogue, for some reason.

 

[Chris Wallace]

How did rogue betray them??? by taking the cure!??? no!!!. she made a dignified desicion, one that left her satisfied. even though bobby/iceman didn't fully agree with it , he understood why. just as wolverine , storm, beats, ect. will begin to understand why she took the cure.

but their was no way at all, no evedience shown that rouge betrayed the x-men.

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