should singer do a remake.

[PhoenixFire]

I can't understand how people still believe what Singer says he had planned, or that he would go ahead with his "plans". Planning is easy. Anyone can plan. I can plan a X4 with Sinister and the Hellfire Club, with Gambit and anything you want, but making it's a whole different matter. And Singer can plan Angel, Beast, Danger Room and Sentinels all he wants, but the truth is, when he had the chance (2 chances, actually), he didn't do it. Not even one of those things.

And yet they were still far better than the dross churned out by The Rat, and I believe it is that fact that has most people responding in the positive on this thread.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

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Originally Posted by Kanon
I can't understand how people still believe what Singer says he had planned, or that he would go ahead with his "plans". Planning is easy. Anyone can plan. I can plan a X4 with Sinister and the Hellfire Club, with Gambit and anything you want, but making it's a whole different matter. And Singer can plan Angel, Beast, Danger Room and Sentinels all he wants, but the truth is, when he had the chance (2 chances, actually), he didn't do it. Not even one of those things.
And yet they were still far better than the dross churned out by The Rat,

Ratnew actually did a better job then Sing

 

[Kanon]

And yet they were still far better than the dross churned out by The Rat, and I believe it is that fact that has most people responding in the positive on this thread.

Actually, most peopple voted "no" on the poll (53 yes, 54 no)

 

[PhoenixFire]

Actually, most peopple voted "no" on the poll (53 yes, 54 no)

Actually, at no point did I indicate most people said yes, I meant that was likely the reasoning for most who did.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

The main thing i didnt like about X-3 was that it contradicted and changed what the first 2 movies were setting out to achieve. Also it changed so much from the Comic's for the worse. Overall, the plot didnt make sense at all

You mean the way Bryan's current film retconned everything from that franchise's first two installments?

Yeah.

X3 doesn't need to be remade--and certainly not by Bryan Singer of all people.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

The plot, imo, was actually the best of the trilogy. The problem was on the way it was handled.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Ah, a lot of people judge this movie based on how much they were satisfied with it... Obviously, it wasn't a bad movie... you know why? Because non-comic fans liked it. Flat out, there'd be no reason to remake this movie unless new technology brought about new, more realistic special effects. Which, now, is unrealistic as X3 was amazing in the Special FX field... It could one of the best FX movies of all time.

Besides, if they ever remake this movie, it will have the same storyline, most likely, with a few small twists.

Remaking X3 is a waste of time.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Ah, a lot of people judge this movie based on how much they were satisfied with it... Obviously, it wasn't a bad movie... you know why? Because non-comic fans liked it. Flat out, there'd be no reason to remake this movie unless new technology brought about new, more realistic special effects. Which, now, is unrealistic as X3 was amazing in the Special FX field... It could one of the best FX movies of all time.

Besides, if they ever remake this movie, it will have the same storyline, most likely, with a few small twists.

Remaking X3 is a waste of time.

aheem...i agree with most of your post, but the effects arent really that good or classy. Pretty much all the wire work sucks for such an expensive movie...
to tell the truth, even the de-aging i expected something more spetacular...most general movie goers didnt even notice they were younger...
The bridge scene is truly amazing, though pointless...

 

[Cosmic Mind]

he can still do a remade of X3, he did it with Superman, but it will be more difficult and challenging...

 

[ntcrawler]

aheem...i agree with most of your post, but the effects arent really that good or classy. Pretty much all the wire work sucks for such an expensive movie...

You literally wonder where all that money went. ANd the truth is alot of that money went to speed up the SFX process to make the impossible release deadline.

to tell the truth, even the de-aging i expected something more spetacular...most general movie goers didnt even notice they were younger...

Absolutely. I noticed it, but didn't think it was worth the effort. They just could have used younger actors to portray themselves. Hell, Patrick's son resembles him.

The bridge scene is truly amazing, though pointless...

That money could have been spent on doing the firebird effects instead

 

[Cosmic Mind]

exactly....

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Eh, yes, maybe... The Phoenix effect was definitely being done... I think it was scrapped because of time issues. Maybe that is something they'll put in an extended/director's cut.

 

[Kanon]

That money could have been spent on doing the firebird effects instead

So you would have traded the bridge scene for the Firebird? I don't think it would have been a smart move. Perhaps fans would have appreciated more seeing the classic Phoenix fx, but for general audiences it would have been "meh". Now, the bridge scene got people talking as one of the most impressive thing seen in film.

 

[ntcrawler]

So you would have traded the bridge scene for the Firebird? I don't think it would have been a smart move.

Why not? the Golden Gate Bridge scene did nothing for the story or plot except to offer a gee-whiz factor. There are other ways Magneto could have gotten his troops over to Alcatraz.

Perhaps fans would have appreciated more seeing the classic Phoenix fx, but for general audiences it would have been "meh". Now, the bridge scene got people talking as one of the most impressive thing seen in film.

Perhaps. But if the Bridge Scene is considered one of the most impressive things in the film, then you really gotta wonder about the rest of the film...

 

[Cosmic Mind]

still, the firebird would have been impresive, hope they bring it on the special DVD...

 

[Kanon]

Why not? the Golden Gate Bridge scene did nothing for the story or plot except to offer a gee-whiz factor. There are other ways Magneto could have gotten his troops over to Alcatraz.

Perhaps the Bridge scene wasn't esential to the story, but neither the firebird. The movie could have played the same way without any of those. But I think the firebird wouldn't have been so impressive as the GG bridge being moved. So, IMO, we have the same relevance, but a higher "gee-whiz factor" with the bridge.

Perhaps. But if the Bridge Scene is considered one of the most impressive things in the film, then you really gotta wonder about the rest of the film...

I didn't said in the film, I said "in film". OK, the movie wasn't perfect, but the fact that the Bridge scene is the highlight of it (I'm not sure if it is) doesn't make the rest of it garbage. It would have been the most impressive thing in this movie and many others in this year and years to come. If the bridge scene were in X2, it would have been the most impressive thing in that movie. Does that mean that X2 was a poor movie?

 

[BMM]

You mean the way Bryan's current film retconned everything from that franchise's first two installments?

Yeah.

X3 doesn't need to be remade--and certainly not by Bryan Singer of all people.

Returns isn't a retconn of Superman the Movie or Superman II. It's a retconn of Superman III and IV. Regardless, Returns doesn't remove the fact that Singer and co. (aside from Singer, let's not forget the other individuals lost along the way--some of which appear to know a fair bit more about the X-Men than a number of posters on the Hype not to mention those involved in The Last Stand) are the ones who have produced the best and most widely liked X-Men film yet . . . as though it would be such a bad thing to have those individuals back at the helm.

On a side note: Not that I wouldn't enjoy it (it would be another X-Men film), but X-Men 3 will not be remade. FOX barely likes to put the necessary money and time into their projects the first time around . . . let alone a second. I would be interested in reading a treatment though.

 

[no1phoenixfan]

Perhaps the Bridge scene wasn't esential to the story, but neither the firebird. The movie could have played the same way without any of those. But I think the firebird wouldn't have been so impressive as the GG bridge being moved. So, IMO, we have the same relevance, but a higher "gee-whiz factor" with the bridge.

I didn't said in the film, I said "in film". OK, the movie wasn't perfect, but the fact that the Bridge scene is the highlight of it (I'm not sure if it is) doesn't make the rest of it garbage. It would have been the most impressive thing in this movie and many others in this year and years to come. If the bridge scene were in X2, it would have been the most impressive thing in that movie. Does that mean that X2 was a poor movie?

I agree Kanon i think X-men the last stand was a good movie even if the phoenix fiery effects weren't in it. Also the bridge scene was good but there were other scenes i liked as well for example the house scene was also a good part as well.

I also think that it was good that they didn't go for the fiery effects in the movie. I liked the peformance Famke portrayed in that movie and the Dark eyes and special effects of the veins made her even seem more as a threat and added to famkes performance.

Anyway i remember a lot of posts from some members on this board stated before the movie on these messageboards posting that they didn't want the fiery effects for Jean's character if it looked anything like Jonny storm's fiery effects in the FF movie, because it would look too cartoony.
So this might of back fired on some members on this board posting that they didn't want Johnny Storm effects from the FF movie for X-men the last stand.

Maybe Fox Execs., and the people who were going to do the special effects for X-men The Last stand were going to go with the Johnny Storm fiery effects for Jean's character like they did with Johnny storm, and they decided not to because they second guessed themselves because some members of this board told them it would look too cartoony and not believable?

Then would some of the members on this board would of liked the fiery effects.

 

[ntcrawler]

Perhaps the Bridge scene wasn't esential to the story, but neither the firebird.

Except that the Firebird would help illustrate why this alternate persona refers to itself as the "Phoenix". Ie "fiery bird that resurrects after death". Especially since fire effects are seen in X2 when Jean summers her powers to a strong extent. It would at least make things consistent.

I didn't said in the film, I said "in film". OK, the movie wasn't perfect, but the fact that the Bridge scene is the highlight of it (I'm not sure if it is) doesn't make the rest of it garbage.

Then that should be a fault with the people marketting this movie. Jean's resurrection and perhaps the climactic point of the Alcatraz battle should be seen as critical highlights, since those actually involve characters participating in the story.

If the bridge scene were in X2, it would have been the most impressive thing in that movie. Does that mean that X2 was a poor movie?

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It would have been the most impressive effect, but wouldn't have been the most impressive part of the movie, since the characters especially this one redhead ended up doing some pretty heroic things who's drama and implications would have had more impact on the audience than Magneto moving a bridge.

 

[ntcrawler]

(aside from Singer, let's not forget the other individuals lost along the way--some of which appear to know a fair bit more about the X-Men than a number of posters on the Hype not to mention those involved in The Last Stand) are the ones who have produced the best and most widely liked X-Men film yet . . . as though it would be such a bad thing to have those individuals back at the helm.

I couldn't agree more. It's not like Singer would produce a film that was a financial and critical disaster to X-men fans

On a side note: Not that I wouldn't enjoy it (it would be another X-Men film), but X-Men 3 will not be remade. FOX barely likes to put the necessary money and time into their projects the first time around . . . let alone a second. I would be interested in reading a treatment though.

I can recommend a few

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Returns isn't a retconn of Superman the Movie or Superman II. It's a retconn of Superman III and IV.

I strongly disagree here and have several points to support that position.

However, that is a discussion for another time...and another forum.

 

[Kanon]

Except that the Firebird would help illustrate why this alternate persona refers to itself as the "Phoenix". Ie "fiery bird that resurrects after death". Especially since fire effects are seen in X2 when Jean summers her powers to a strong extent. It would at least make things consistent.

I agree with the name thing. It was totally unexplained why she would call herself the Phoenix, instead of any other name. And it would have been nice to see fx in the same fashion as in X2, but I wouldn't trade it for the bridge.

Then that should be a fault with the people marketting this movie. Jean's resurrection and perhaps the climactic point of the Alcatraz battle should be seen as critical highlights, since those actually involve characters participating in the story.

Again, I'm not sure if it's the highlight of the movie. I'm just saying that when people left the theaters, and critics gave their review, they couldn't stop praising the bridge scene (along with Stewart, McKellen and Famke performance). I don't think the Phoenix FX would have that much impact.

It would have been the most impressive effect, but wouldn't have been the most impressive part of the movie, since the characters especially this one redhead ended up doing some pretty heroic things who's drama and implications would have had more impact on the audience than Magneto moving a bridge.

Thinking of it, I think, judging from the reaction of people watching the movie, the scene that had more impact was Xavier's death. The end of the movie wasn't as emotional as that, though most people was pleased with the final battle. The Final Battle needed something extra that wasn't there.

 

[BMM]

I strongly disagree here and have several points to support that position.

However, that is a discussion for another time...and another forum.

The only thing I find retconned via Returns is the amnesia kiss (and I'm not big on the vagueness of the situation regarding this among other things) . . . then again, it looks like Donner will be doing that too.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

So you would have traded the bridge scene for the Firebird? I don't think it would have been a smart move. Perhaps fans would have appreciated more seeing the classic Phoenix fx, but for general audiences it would have been "meh". Now, the bridge scene got people talking as one of the most impressive thing seen in film.

I didnt see anyone out of the theater saying "Oh my god, that bridge scene is spetacular" It was eye-pleasing, but nothing the cinema hasnt seen before. The Phoenix effects, besides making the fans happy, would have been such a new and beautiful effect. I think i would nearly cry if i actually saw what was written in the script (Almost like a second sun in the middle of the night. Everybody stops and looks up in the sky. Flames all around. Jean Grey) made it into the movie. Even jean's "flight" was ****ty.
Also, Magneto had the most powerful mutant ever by his side. Why not put Phoenix flying everyone into the island? Or even acting Moses and opening the SF bay? that would have a great biblical effect to show how powerful she was. I understand Mags had to have his moment to shine, so i kinda understand the scene though. But marketing it as the best thing that ever happened, this was wrong imho.

 

[ntcrawler]

The only thing I find retconned via Returns is the amnesia kiss (and I'm not big on the vagueness of the situation regarding this among other things) . . . then again, it looks like Donner will be doing that too.

that's what I thought too. Obviously something was going on in the Fortress of Solitude with a depowered Superman if the kid's supposed to be his. The amnesia kiss actually would explain why Richard White thinks the kid is his and Lois doesn't protest.