should singer do a remake.

[The Ones]

A sequel that would contradict everything in X-3?

 

[BMM]

Everything in X2 indicated that Scott would never get a bigger role and that Wolverine was more important. Don't kid yourself that the studio would suddenly roll over and make Cyclops prominent if Singer were in charge. They got Cyclops shoved aside when Singer was in charge of X2.

. . . and everything in X-Men indicates that at the least Cyclops is able to maintain a role comparable to that of the other X-Men. No one is expecting that Cyclops' role be so prominent to the extent that X-Men 3 would be the "Cyclops: Featuring the X-Men" movie. Nor is anyone expecting that Wolverine won't be a prominent component of the film either. Pryor to the Superman Returns debacle, I have seen little incentive by the studio to not allow Cyclops a more prominent role than the one he has in X2.

 

[ntcrawler]

. . . and everything in X-Men indicates that at the least Cyclops is able to maintain a role comparable to that of the other X-Men. No one is expecting that Cyclops' role be so prominent to the extent that X-Men 3 would be the "Cyclops: Featuring the X-Men" movie.

Exactly. The people that want Cyclops or other chars to have a more prominent role don't want it to be done in a way that displaces other chars or steals their screentime. Heck by adding 30 minutes to the movie that wouldn't be so hard to do in the first place! Cyclops certainly has enough of a background to make him as interesting as Wolverine. His ability to get to where he is after the troubles he's faced gives credence to his strength of will and character as much as Wolverine. Same with Storm. And everyone else.

Nor is anyone expecting that Wolverine won't be a prominent component of the film either. Pryor to the Superman Returns debacle, I have seen little incentive by the studio to not allow Cyclops a more prominent role than the one he has in X2.

And like The Batman says, anyone claiming otherwise is just trying to discourage us.

 

[ntcrawler]

A sequel that would contradict everything in X-3?

Why not? X3 contradicted so many things in X1 and X2, that this could only be an improvement. Rogue not taking the cure? Cyke not being hosed and getting to contribute? Yes that contradicts X3, but definitely wouldn't contradict the others!

 

[X-Maniac]

. . . and everything in X-Men indicates that at the least Cyclops is able to maintain a role comparable to that of the other X-Men. No one is expecting that Cyclops' role be so prominent to the extent that X-Men 3 would be the "Cyclops: Featuring the X-Men" movie. Nor is anyone expecting that Wolverine won't be a prominent component of the film either. Pryor to the Superman Returns debacle, I have seen little incentive by the studio to not allow Cyclops a more prominent role than the one he has in X2.

I have nothing against Cyclops - and I was troubled by his sudden death in X3 as much as many others.. HOWEVER, the warning lights were flashing in X2 when he was absent for half the movie and when James had to ask for physical fight scenes to be included in the capture scene at Magneto's prison. Later, we see Jean and Logan talking, and a Jean/Logan love/lust scene (courtesy of Mystique), and Jean not seeming that worried about all about what's happening to Scott. No telepathic bond shown, no frantic asking where Scott is (or trying to find him) when they get to the dam...

The writing was on the wall. Singer's love of the Wolverine character, Lauren Schuler-Donner's love of Wolverine, and Jackman's powerful portrayal all conspired against Cyclops/James Marsden... and the general public don't care.

 

[ntcrawler]

I think I know where part of the problem is. It's the writers not realizing that the cover artwork of the X-men doesn't necessarily correspond to what's inside the issue. For example, one of the Endsong covers shows a Dark Phoenix seductively holding a prone Wolverine in her arms and about to kiss him. While another one shows an grieving Cyclops holding a dead Emma Frost in his arms. Still another Phoenix saga issue shows Jean as Phoenix holding a dead Cyclops in her arms while a sinister looking Magneto hovers just behind her. And that's not how it happened either.

They probably got ideas from randomly flipping pages and covers without actually bothering to read what's in the issues.

 

[ntcrawler]

The writing was on the wall. Singer's love of the Wolverine character, Lauren Schuler-Donner's love of Wolverine, and Jackman's powerful portrayal all conspired against Cyclops/James Marsden... and the general public don't care.

All of which could have been reversed and mended quite nicely, as Singer indicated for his planned storyline in X3. Instead however, the powers-that-be vetoed Singer's ideas and let Singer himself go, and decided to just totally condemn the character.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

i still dont believe Singer would make Cyclops that prominent. Wolverine is, and this is a fact, the most known and loved by the general audience. Cyke could have a nice role, but they would never put Wolvie to the side, he had to be center, just like in X1 or X2, and to be center in X3 meant to have him shine in the Phoenix saga (since Bryan would also portray it). The only way to do this was to make him important to Jean Grey. Otherwise he would just look at Cyke and Jean and say "Wow, what a soap-opera drama...where's my cigarette?"
Cyclops would never be the center, simply because, as he was portrayed in the first movies, only the fans cared about him. The general audience was about to say "Its about time" when he dies, because he's such a loser in the whole trilogy, not only X3. Heck, my father laughed and said "That eye-guy is such a loser!" when he died...

 

[BMM]

I have nothing against Cyclops - and I was troubled by his sudden death in X3 as much as many others.. HOWEVER, the warning lights were flashing in X2 when he was absent for half the movie and when James had to ask for physical fight scenes to be included in the capture scene at Magneto's prison.

Marsden asks for the inclusion of the phsyical fight scene simply to showcase another aspect of his character rather than relying on his optic blasts yet again. It is not simply a bid for screen time. The confrontation was to take place regardless.

Later, we see Jean and Logan talking, and a Jean/Logan love/lust scene (courtesy of Mystique), and Jean not seeming that worried about all about what's happening to Scott. No telepathic bond shown, no frantic asking where Scott is (or trying to find him) when they get to the dam...

She seems plenty worried about Cylcops when Wolverine asks her how she is doing and she responds by saying that she is worried about Scott . . . and when she tells Scott that she thought she had lost him, etc.

The writing was on the wall. Singer's love of the Wolverine character, Lauren Schuler-Donner's love of Wolverine, and Jackman's powerful portrayal all conspired against Cyclops/James Marsden... and the general public don't care.

I find this conspiracy/writing's on the wall notion to be more prevalent now than post X2. I didn't walk out of X2 thinking FOX has it in for Cyclops any more than I thought FOX has it in for Janssen simply because of FOX's addiction regarding Berry's star power and the ridiculous amount of talk regarding Storm's ever-increasing prevalence.

i still dont believe Singer would make Cyclops that prominent. Wolverine is, and this is a fact, the most known and loved by the general audience. Cyke could have a nice role, but they would never put Wolvie to the side, he had to be center, just like in X1 or X2, and to be center in X3 meant to have him shine in the Phoenix saga (since Bryan would also portray it). The only way to do this was to make him important to Jean Grey. Otherwise he would just look at Cyke and Jean and say "Wow, what a soap-opera drama...where's my cigarette?"
Cyclops would never be the center, simply because, as he was portrayed in the first movies, only the fans cared about him. The general audience was about to say "Its about time" when he dies, because he's such a loser in the whole trilogy, not only X3. Heck, my father laughed and said "That eye-guy is such a loser!" when he died...

Since his inception, and throughout his various portrayals, a lot of people have found "boyscout and stickler for the rules" Cyclops to be a jackass, especially when compared to the likes of "cool, doesn't play by the rules" Wolverine. Hence the reason Wolverine is one of the most well-liked and well-known X-Men in the comics. Cyclops doesn't get much love in any medium, especially when compared to Wolverine. He can be a misunderstood character. Regardless, no one is asking that Cyclops be that prominent, or that he usurp Wolverine in X-Men 3. The Dark Phoenix Saga revolves around the overall team's concern for Jean with nice side moments between her and Cyclops. This isn't the Cyclops Saga. Wolverine can be just as prominent a character as he always has been while Cyclops maintains an increased role. Both can be heavily featured while being concerned for Jean, because in the end, it doesn't matter--no one gets her; she dies. And given Hayter's description of the pitched ending regarding the Dark Phoenix Saga, I would say that Cyclops' role would easily be better.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Since his inception, and throughout his various portrayals, a lot of people have found "boyscout and stickler for the rules" Cyclops to be a jackass, especially when compared to the likes of "cool, doesn't play by the rules" Wolverine. Hence the reason Wolverine is one of the most well-liked and well-known X-Men in the comics. Cyclops doesn't get much love in any medium, especially when compared to Wolverine. He can be a misunderstood character. Regardless, no one is asking that Cyclops be that prominent, or that he usurp Wolverine in X-Men 3. The Dark Phoenix Saga revolves around the overall team's concern for Jean with nice side moments between her and Cyclops. This isn't the Cyclops Saga. Wolverine can be just as prominent a character as he always has been while Cyclops maintains an increased role. Both can be heavily featured while being concerned for Jean, because in the end, it doesn't matter--no one gets her; she dies. And given Hayter's description of the pitched ending regarding the Dark Phoenix Saga, I would say that Cyclops' role would easily be better.

you are one of the few fans who actually recognises that. Mot fans i've seen wanted X3 to be "Scott and Jean's story" and that would be just...impossible given that its still a film, and its still intended to make money, mostly out of Wolverine. Yes, killing Cyclops is one of the worst plots ever, but unfortunately, it had to do with politics and money...i also wanted to see a full dark phoenix story, with cyclops having his drama andd the whole team actually caring about Jean like in the original, coz in the movie it was like the school didnt even remember her. But that was impossible and i always knew that. I always knew Phoenix would be a supporting plot.
Anyways, i thought his role wasnt bad, though tiny (but hey, Anna's and Rebecca's were too). I even enjoyed Cylcops.

 

[ntcrawler]

Marsden asks for the inclusion of the phsyical fight scene simply to showcase another aspect of his character rather than relying on his optic blasts yet again. It is not simply a bid for screen time. The confrontation was to take place regardless.

Excellent point! So far we've seen him do amazing things with his optic beams, to show that he can get physical too is a nice touch. As for Cyclops being captured? You could substitute him for any other member of the team including Wolverine and the overall outcome would have been the same. Sure Cyclops could have been sent with Storm to retrieve Kurt, and Jean left with the sacred duty to watch over Xavier and push his wheelchair, but how would she fare against armed goons and Deathstryke? Cyclops is known for his martial arts and hand-to-hand skills as well as doing a number with his optic beams. Being able to see that was definitely a nice touch.

She seems plenty worried about Cylcops when Wolverine asks her how she is doing and she responds by saying that she is worried about Scott . . . and when she tells Scott that she thought she had lost him, etc.

In fact that's how she starts out the conversation, but Wolverine then attempts to change her attention from Scott to himself. And at the Dam, it was clear what they were going to do, and that was to rescue a whole bunch of people. She was worried about Xavier and the children too, but it was her reunion with Cyclops that was the most touching and heartfelt, and for good reason too.

I find this conspiracy/writing's on the wall notion to be more prevalent now than post X2. I didn't walk out of X2 thinking FOX has it in for Cyclops any more than I thought FOX has it in for Janssen simply because of FOX's addiction regarding Berry's star power and the ridiculous amount of talk regarding Storm's ever-increasing prevalence.

Wait, now we knowThere was nothing to indicate that Cyclops was to be hosed the way he was in X3. Especially since Singer himself is known to have told Marsden that his character will get to shine in the next movie. To claim otherwise is again trying to discourage people. I mean who would be crazy enough to kill off a major character and for no reason in the first 10 minutes of a film?

Since his inception, and throughout his various portrayals, a lot of people have found "boyscout and stickler for the rules" Cyclops to be a jackass, especially when compared to the likes of "cool, doesn't play by the rules" Wolverine. Hence the reason Wolverine is one of the most well-liked and well-known X-Men in the comics. Cyclops doesn't get much love in any medium, especially when compared to Wolverine. He can be a misunderstood character.

But starts to become more likeable once you realize why he's so uptight and what it is that bothers him. In addition, unlike Wolverine Cyclops has a much larger burden to carry on his shoulders. It's not necessarily a burden that he wanted, but one he felt had to be his to take. Wolverine doesn't have that same burden, or the stress and worries that come with that burden. Wolverine can just ride off on his bike (or Scott's bike) and disappear for days to blow off stress. Cyclops on the other hand has a school to run, students to watch over and teach, and a team to train.

Regardless, no one is asking that Cyclops be that prominent, or that he usurp Wolverine in X-Men 3. The Dark Phoenix Saga revolves around the overall team's concern for Jean with nice side moments between her and Cyclops. This isn't the Cyclops Saga. Wolverine can be just as prominent a character as he always has been while Cyclops maintains an increased role.

Which would have been better, since in essense Cyclops had NO role in the Phoenix saga. If anything, it's Wolverine who from the beginning usurped Cyclops. Cyclops saved his ass, and Wolverine's response was nothing short of contempt and then trying to displace the man. His bike, his car, his leadership, and his woman. In X3 at least Cyclops managed to get the last word with Logan, and at Alkali Lake he was victorious and vindicated, showing that he was right not to give up hope and his reward was to receive what everyone else thought was impossible to get back. Except that bad writing and a hostile attitude from FOX's managers insured that Cyclops didn't even get a chance to savor that moment.

 

[X-Maniac]

I find this conspiracy/writing's on the wall notion to be more prevalent now than post X2. I didn't walk out of X2 thinking FOX has it in for Cyclops any more than I thought FOX has it in for Janssen simply because of FOX's addiction regarding Berry's star power and the ridiculous amount of talk regarding Storm's ever-increasing prevalence.

I did leave X2 wondering why Cyclops had been absent for half the movie. I found the movie disappointing in many ways. To see Xavier out of action again, and Cyclops too... it felt strange. I'd rather Jean had been captured (as well as, or instead of, Xavier) and seen Jason as Mastermind unknowingly corrupting her mind with his powers...

To go off on a tangent for a moment, X2 was muddled. Jean is essentially Phoenix in X2 - we see the pendant and coat both bearing the symbol, she displays a sudden increase in power (in various places including stopping the missile) and (as in the comicbook) power burnouts (unable to stop the other missile)... and we see a fiery aura around her oustretched arms BEFORE her apparent death... This sounds to me as though Bryan had (at least partly) wanted Jean to be the next stage - Dark Phoenix - in his X3. But the Jean storyline in X1 and X2 leaves far too much open to interpretation. Not to mention Storm's dialogue (with Nightcrawler) which has no context (no origin scene or explanation of events that made her feel that way).

Since his inception, and throughout his various portrayals, a lot of people have found "boyscout and stickler for the rules" Cyclops to be a jackass, especially when compared to the likes of "cool, doesn't play by the rules" Wolverine.

Yes. And Jackman's potent portrayal of Wolverine (though his acting and the part that was written) added to this.

 

[ntcrawler]

To go off on a tangent for a moment, X2 was muddled. Jean is essentially Phoenix in X2 - we see the pendant and coat both bearing the symbol,

that was intended as a nod to fans, not meant to be a clear message that Jean IS the Phoenix. She didn't suddenly develop an unconcious fascination with Phoenix symbols and the color red as we were first led to believe. Although I do like the symbolic notion of the Phoenix pendant and it's a theme that I touch upon in my rewrite to add a little bit of fuel to Scott's own faith that something's going on.

Not to mention Storm's dialogue (with Nightcrawler) which has no context (no origin scene or explanation of events that made her feel that way).

Actually, the sad part about this is, that it was a nice, touching scene but was failed to be acted upon anywhere else. You never see Storm recalling what NightCrawler told her, or showing her behavior as being changed since he told her those words. She's certainly not more at peace with herself than she was before.

 

[X-Maniac]

that was intended as a nod to fans, not meant to be a clear message that Jean IS the Phoenix. She didn't suddenly develop an unconcious fascination with Phoenix symbols and the color red as we were first led to believe. Although I do like the symbolic notion of the Phoenix pendant and it's a theme that I touch upon in my rewrite to add a little bit of fuel to Scott's own faith that something's going on.

I mentioned more than the pendant and coat... those were subtle... More to do with the power expanding after Liberty Island's radiation, and with her power also 'cutting out' at key moments - as it did in the comics. That was very much like Phoenix. She must have 'become' Phoenix at some pivotal moment (whether that was an evolutionary trigger or a mental block breakdown) and that moment has to be Liberty Island if we base it on the Cyclops dialogue in X2. (Her unauthorised use of Cerebro might have done something too...if there were indeed blocks, it might have broken them to allow her to be evolved by the machine..). The machine either evolved her further - and if you take X3 into account it evolved her to what she would have become if Xavier hadn't hindered and restrained her growth.

Actually, the sad part about this is, that it was a nice, touching scene but was failed to be acted upon anywhere else. You never see Storm recalling what NightCrawler told her, or showing her behavior as being changed since he told her those words. She's certainly not more at peace with herself than she was before.

In fact, there was a pay-off for that scene in that she said she had faith to Nightcrawler when he had to teleport into Cerebro. So the dialogue about faith did resurface later on.

It's the reasons she said the things she said that were absent. Why did she give up on pity long ago? How has anger helped her survive? Sounds like some powerful and traumatic events in her background, yet we have no idea whatsoever what they were. Dreadful writing to leave the viewer like that, just hanging there with no foundation for what has been said.

 

[BMM]

I did leave X2 wondering why Cyclops had been absent for half the movie. I found the movie disappointing in many ways. To see Xavier out of action again, and Cyclops too... it felt strange. I'd rather Jean had been captured (as well as, or instead of, Xavier) and seen Jason as Mastermind unknowingly corrupting her mind with his powers...

I don't find it any more odd than when a number of the X-Men take a back seat in the comics in order to concentrate on various other characters. It's a rotational basis--it always has been and it always will be. Once Cyclops is no longer a captive in X2, he is heavily featured with Jean and the rest of the X-Men for the remainder of the movie.

To go off on a tangent for a moment, X2 was muddled. Jean is essentially Phoenix in X2 - we see the pendant and coat both bearing the symbol, she displays a sudden increase in power (in various places including stopping the missile) and (as in the comicbook) power burnouts (unable to stop the other missile)... and we see a fiery aura around her oustretched arms BEFORE her apparent death... This sounds to me as though Bryan had (at least partly) wanted Jean to be the next stage - Dark Phoenix - in his X3. But the Jean storyline in X1 and X2 leaves far too much open to interpretation.

I don't find Jean's transformation, etc. to be any more muddled than it is the actual Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga. She attempts to save her friends via piloting the shuttle, it crashes, and she re-emerges as Jean Grey with heightened abilities. There is no explanation given. There is no reasoning save to say that her powers are expanding (which is what X2 does). I'm not about to attempt to say where Jean is or isn't by the end of X2 in Singer's overall plan, because nobody knows. Given that a supposed two films (via the Matrix) were supposed to be filmed back to back, Jean could have very well emerged full-on Phoenix with the White Queen gradually manipulating her into becoming the Dark Phoenix over the course of two movies accompanied by explanations and all. I'm not going to fault the second film simply because a director is unable to finish his vision . . . and I'm especially not going to fault it under the pretences of the original telling because there is absolutely no explanation given for Jean's transformation in the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga either. It is pretty much left up to complete interpretation until years later, at which point now, Marvel barely has its own story regarding the Phoenix completely straight.

Not to mention Storm's dialogue (with Nightcrawler) which has no context (no origin scene or explanation of events that made her feel that way).

I don't find this to be any more unfitting than any other movie that doesn't provide its characters with full on origin scenes to explain their motivations . . . not to mention the comic books, which toss characters in left and right, each with their own motivations, not giving credence to why they act the way the do until years later (case in point, the Phoenix Force).

 

[ntcrawler]

In fact, there was a pay-off for that scene in that she said she had faith to Nightcrawler when he had to teleport into Cerebro. So the dialogue about faith did resurface later on.

that wasn't the same context. Their conversations were along these lines:

"Anger gives you strength"

"Sometimes fate does too"

Her faith in NightCrawler's teleporting ability was not due to his words of inspiration IMHO as I believe he was referring to something else entirely. She had faith in other people too before.

It's the reasons she said the things she said that were absent. Why did she give up on pity long ago? How has anger helped her survive? Sounds like some powerful and traumatic events in her background, yet we have no idea whatsoever what they were. Dreadful writing to leave the viewer like that, just hanging there with no foundation for what has been said.

Exactly. And this could have been addressed and given closure in X3, but the writers failed to act on it. X2 opened up something that piqued the viewer's curiosity but was never addressod or looked into again. One of the shortcomings I'm compiling in my liste.

 

[ntcrawler]

I don't find Jean's transformation, etc. to be any more muddled than it is the actual Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga. She attempts to save her friends via piloting the shuttle, it crashes, and she re-emerges as Jean Grey with heightened abilities. There is no explanation given.

that must have been a BIG surprise. But at least in the comics she doesn't come back as some kind of berzerking monster, right? They actually have time to enjoy things before Mastermind corrupts the Phoenix force into going insane. But I think that's the key issue. Jean has to die first before her full powers are released. Even before her death her powers were expanding while piloting the shuttle, but they weren't at the levels they would be after her "resurrection. I believe the same applies to X2. Her powers were expanding constantly, but she doesn't technically become "Phoenix" until after her death.

There is no reasoning save to say that her powers are expanding (which is what X2 does). I'm not about to attempt to say where Jean is or isn't by the end of X2 in Singer's overall plan, because nobody knows.

If it helps any, even in X1 Jean tells Logan that her powers are constantly expanding... almost sounds like her mutation was slowly picking up again like Beast's tends to do, and Magneto's machine simply shot the process into overdrive.

Given that a supposed two films (via the Matrix) were supposed to be filmed back to back, Jean could have very well emerged full-on Phoenix with the White Queen gradually manipulating her into becoming the Dark Phoenix over the course of two movies accompanied by explanations and all. I'm not going to fault the second film simply because a director is unable to finish his vision . . .

Agreed. When you see X2, you're looking at a piece of unfinished work. Work that its original creator did not get the opportunity to complete.

It's like trying to analyze the Star Wars classic trilogy but leaving the story off after Empire Strikes Back. You wouldn't blame Lucas for not revealing who "there is another" is referreing to, would you? But you probably would if ROTJ was made by another creative force and failed to address that statement, or if Vader turned out to lie about being the father and it was Obi-Wan all along.

and I'm especially not going to fault it under the pretences of the original telling because there is absolutely no explanation given for Jean's transformation in the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga either. It is pretty much left up to complete interpretation until years later, at which point now, Marvel barely has its own story regarding the Phoenix completely straight.

This is why the Movieverse was so promising. We finally had another chance to retell the stories, but to do it on a manageable scale, and in a more realistic, believable, and simpler context. IT takes an act of idiocy that borders on genius to take this new potential and dead-end it into a wall in only 3 movies.

I don't find this to be any more unfitting than any other movie that doesn't provide its characters with full on origin scenes to explain their motivations . . . not to mention the comic books, which toss characters in left and right, each with their own motivations, not giving credence to why they act the way the do until years later (case in point, the Phoenix Force).

That's what the spinoffs and backstories are used for later on. Or in the case of movies, a few well placed flashbacks. A flashback showing how Jean and Scott first met would have been nice and helped explain just how far back they go and why Scott's so devastated for example. And it wouldn't add more than 2-3 minutes of footage to do it right.

 

[cronosred]

I voted yes because I would still love to see what Singer had planned. The truth is this is never going to happen because the studio would never go for it, the public wouldn't understand it, and Singer will be busy with Superman movies. I liked X3 alot and it saddens me that this movie could have even been better had the studio not been so childish, but I love the Phoenix Saga and I could watch different versions of it all day long so I say yes if it's possible then go ahead and remake it.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

If there is a remake, you'll have to wait a decade... Thoose film that does a remake, took a decade to relise it.

 

[X-Maniac]

that wasn't the same context. Their conversations were along these lines:

"Anger gives you strength"

"Sometimes fate does too"

Her faith in NightCrawler's teleporting ability was not due to his words of inspiration IMHO as I believe he was referring to something else entirely. She had faith in other people too before.



Exactly. And this could have been addressed and given closure in X3, but the writers failed to act on it. X2 opened up something that piqued the viewer's curiosity but was never addressod or looked into again. One of the shortcomings I'm compiling in my liste.

Nightcrawler: 'Someone so beautiful shouldn't be so angry'
Storm: 'Sometimes anger can help you survive'
Nightcrawler: 'So can faith'.

He was telling her that faith was also something to help people through difficult situations. She agrees when she entrusts him to teleport them safely into Cerebro and Jason's illusion. Rather than acting out of anger, she takes a deep breath and has faith... Or she is confirming to him that faith is a good thing...

Regardless, the dialogue does surface again. But it's up to X2 to give the background for it. It's not fair to expect another movie that, at that point was not confirmed, to mop up any mess from X2. X3 did try to give clarity to the Jean Grey scenario - Xavier's meddling, the barriers,the childhood powers - but it wasn't what some of you thought would happen.

In my view Storm suffered because of the lack of an origin scene in X1 and X2, because the dialogue in X2 hinted at some sort of earlier trauma. The blame does not rest on Brett Ratner for failing to address this in X3 - if anything he shows that anger is helping Storm survive (through her strong opinions and more emotional, expressive use of powers against Callisto etc).

 

[X-Maniac]

Bryan is very good at conveniently ignoring things and leaving them vague, as evidenced here http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=78755
where he says, regarding SR:

NRAMA: After he gave up his powers in Superman II, Lois and Superman slept together. I’m going to assume that that’s when he got her pregnant…

BS: Possibly.

NRAMA: Then he gives her the kiss, which made her forget that they even slept together. Was the pregnancy a mystery for her?

BS: I ignored that part. I just assumed she remembered sleeping with him.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

wait 50% each! Woah! 0_o

 

[La_She-Beast]

Bryan is very good at conveniently ignoring things and leaving them vague, as evidenced here http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=78755
where he says, regarding SR:

NRAMA: After he gave up his powers in Superman II, Lois and Superman slept together. I’m going to assume that that’s when he got her pregnant…

BS: Possibly.

NRAMA: Then he gives her the kiss, which made her forget that they even slept together. Was the pregnancy a mystery for her?

BS: I ignored that part. I just assumed she remembered sleeping with him.

Well you'll never know how aliens can leave women pregnant... remember what they did with Scully?

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

lol, maybe they did behind the scene itting... ewww

 

[Kanon]

I can't understand how people still believe what Singer says he had planned, or that he would go ahead with his "plans". Planning is easy. Anyone can plan. I can plan a X4 with Sinister and the Hellfire Club, with Gambit and anything you want, but making it's a whole different matter. And Singer can plan Angel, Beast, Danger Room and Sentinels all he wants, but the truth is, when he had the chance (2 chances, actually), he didn't do it. Not even one of those things.