The Dark Knight Should there be interact between Gordon and Bruce Wayne in the Sequels

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Other than when Bruce was a boy after the murder of his parents, there was no character interaction between the two.

I think to expand on the dynamics of their relationship, circumstances should make their paths cross. Maybe to the extent where they get to know each other.

This could lead somehow to Gordon being suspicous and wondering if Wayne could be Batman.

Discuss.
 
I would like that. I'd be cool to see the Gordon trying to figure out who Batman is from YO, but it might not fit with the plot. I'd especially like the "You know I'm practically blind without my glasses" scene
 
Anyway, It'd be def to have Gordon suspecting Dent is The Batman... even if it's impossible... y'know, Batman came before Dent...
 
fabman said:
Anyway, It'd be def to have Gordon suspecting Dent is The Batman... even if it's impossible... y'know, Batman came before Dent...

Another nod to Year one.

But Bruce and Gordan should exchange some dialouge together albeit limited.
 
Ronny Shade said:
I would like that. I'd be cool to see the Gordon trying to figure out who Batman is from YO, but it might not fit with the plot. I'd especially like the "You know I'm practically blind without my glasses" scene

I'd love to see that scene... I love that moment in Year One, with the implication that Gordon always has known or suspected who Batman is since then.

I'd kill for that, and the whole rescuing Gordon's child climax (possibly a young Barbara rather than the boy). I think rescuing a single person who is important to someone Batman is close to... a chile, no less, is far more interesting than saving a whole city from a generic "deadly chain reaction/super-bomb/poison gas" mcguffin, which we've seen more or less in the vast majority of superhero movies, including at least 3 Batman movies.
 
Seeing Gordon meeting with a "drunk" Bruce Wayne would be priceless. I doubt we will see a scene like that. At the end of Begins Gordon doesn't see Batman as a threat. I doubt he would care to find out who Batman is? But if something happens to Rachel maybe Wayne could take a trip to the Gotham P.D.
 
I'd like to see it. It would be interesting.
 
ReptileOrion said:
Seeing Gordon meeting with a "drunk" Bruce Wayne would be priceless. I doubt we will see a scene like that. At the end of Begins Gordon doesn't see Batman as a threat. I doubt he would care to find out who Batman is? But if something happens to Rachel maybe Wayne could take a trip to the Gotham P.D.

Yeah, I could see Bruce entering into a bar where Gordon is seen sipping a few sips from his cold glass of beer and he starts shouting, "I'm Batman everybody! I'm Batman!" all drunk and lumbering over his feet with two babes in his arms.

Gordon could just give him a look and make a line like, "Why is the rich always tend to have the most fun out of life?"
 
Oh yeah, He should suspect about Wayne being Batman, that would be a cool nod to Year One, and it would make sense, seeing as how they will be working together a lot more from now on.
 
ReptileOrion said:
Seeing Gordon meeting with a "drunk" Bruce Wayne would be priceless. I doubt we will see a scene like that. At the end of Begins Gordon doesn't see Batman as a threat. I doubt he would care to find out who Batman is.
Damn, you've actually made a really good point there. After Batman delivered Falcone to the GPD, Gordon did realize from there that they were somewhat on the same side. And at the end of BB, the trust was pretty much set in place.

The only way I can see them doing the Y1 scene is if somehow Batman wasn't trustworthy anymore to Gordon. Whether that be through a frame, or some questionable acts.

F**k, I wanted that scene in too. :(
 
Yeah......but, when you look at BB, there was really no actual space for a sub plot of Gordon trying to find out who Batman is.

Really, YEAR ONE Jimbo and BB Jimbo are different in they're positions......so I don't think it could have worked.
 
What exactly do you mean by diff. in their positions? I thought that was the one thing that they actually portrayed directly from Y1. How Gordon was the only honest cop in a city of the corrupt.

And if they wanted the subplot, they would've put it in. It's not about time.
 
Well, in YEAR ONE.....Jim Gordon had just transferred from Chi-town. He was freash off the train, and had been introduced to Gotham hardcore style firsthand with Flass as his tour guide. But, he still wanted to believe in the GCPD. He was new, and he thought he could get it done without outside help (the Batman). But, over time....he pretty much got "it" and understood, alot like Batman did, that you can't do it alone....you need help. So, he needed more time to actually be okay with the idea of teaming up with a vigilante. And, plus....he had had some major problems in Chicago with the Police Department. So, the last thing he wanted to do was **** up again with the PD this time around.

In Batman Begins, he's lived in Gotham for a lot longer. In the novel, he'd left Chicago and come to Gotham too.....but not during Batman's first year, but alot closer to the Wayne's Murder. So, he'd been in Gotham for so long, his spirit had been beat down already. He saw no way out, at all. He had no trust, no belief in the PD, and knew there was really no hope. Ie: "who's there to rat to, anyway?" so....he feels alone. A hell of alot alone than YEAR ONE Jim. So, by the time Batman comes around...he's open to helping him, b/c there's no other alternative. After Falcone being handed over by Bats, he doesn't even think about arresting Bats. We already know he's on Batman's side by the morning after Falcone's been arrested.

So, really.....at no point, does Gordon actually see Batman as a threat, atleast nowhere near the way he did in Y1. So, him trying to find out Bats identity would kinda be against how he's acting.

And, I think the subplot would have really slowed and hindered the flick. Once he becomes Batman, it's a fast moving train through the story. And, really....he wasn't Batman for a full year. Gordon would have to investigate and get that close in almost a week or so.
 
Ah ok, I get your point now. :up:

With that said, I still want to see another case of Bruce using his playboy facade to fool others. I think adding in the hangover bit, plus a foreign hottie that can't speak English, would be up to par, or even surpass BB's birthday scene in both execution and hilarity. I just can't get enough of seeing Bruce as a playa, you have no idea how much it cheers me up. :D

As for how the scene would work, well with Dent being in the mix, I think it'd be a good idea to just switch him with Gordon's spot. It'll make more sense. From the looks of it, Dent will prolly be a newcomer to Gotham, so it's fair that he doesn't trust anyone at this point, not even someone that's helping him. So it's logical he'd seek out who this mysterious vigilante is. It'd be pretty funny if that's the scene he first meets Bruce. Quite a first impression. :o
 
Yeah, actually it would work with Dent. I mean, he could be the outsider on the Batman-Gordon team up, and view Batman as a threat. So, yeah.....I think that scene would be great with Dent, I mean he's a headstrong dude....so he'll go poking around on his own. Hell, if you want to be picky....he could even drag Jim with him.

The Playboy scenes are funny. They kinda serve the same purpose that the "Geeky Clark" serves, I think. This entertaining, funny, cover up for the character that kinda makes you laugh.

And, I think with BB.....we should definitely get more of the Playboy scenes. I mean, it was nice part of BB taking from the comics.
 
Agreed, that was one of the things I felt was missing from the live-action portrayals of Bruce. None of them really showed how suave and charismatic Bruce was to the ladies. And like you said, it provides great entertainment.

If the scene mentioned in your sig makes it into this franchise, oh man...I am so clapping. :D
 
lol, well....when you think about it, we know Bruce is suave and such a playa, he'd give 007 a run for his money.

I mean, one scene that sticks out for that is when he first enters Wayne Tower. I mean, he's there for like 2 minutes....and he already manages to get his hands around the hot sexy secretary.

And yeah, I think the we should see Bruce more into the playboy life. I mean, seriosuly....why wouldn't he have an orgy with 3 supermodels? Grant Morrison is the ****ing man.
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
lol, well....when you think about it, we know Bruce is suave and such a playa, he'd give 007 a run for his money.

I mean, one scene that sticks out for that is when he first enters Wayne Tower. I mean, he's there for like 2 minutes....and he already manages to get his hands around the hot sexy secretary.
They got the flirtacious side of Bruce well handled. It really is too bad in retrospect, that Keaton got more pink than Bale did. Keaton didn't even bother flirting, he just skipped that step. :o

And yeah, I think the we should see Bruce more into the playboy life. I mean, seriosuly....why wouldn't he have an orgy with 3 supermodels? Grant Morrison is the ****ing man.
Somehow I think Nolan is too much of a prude to put that in though. :(

BTW, we so need a BW thread. We're clogging this thread up. :o
 
They got the flirtacious side of Bruce well handled. It really is too bad in retrospect, that Keaton got more pink than Bale did. Keaton didn't even bother flirting, he just skipped that step. :o

Well, I think it might balance out by the time Bale is done. But yeah.....Keaton's flirting was kinda like being sly. Being super mysterious and all.

Somehow I think Nolan is too much of a prude to put that in though. :(

BTW, we so need a BW thread. We're clogging this thread up. :o

I dunno. All we need is the IDEA that he's slept with 3 chicks. Show them leaving the mansion in the morning, or have them enter his bedroom. That's all. No skin required, altough appreciated.

Hey....I'm for it. You wanna start it or should I?
 
By all means, start it up. Title it the "Official Philanthropical/Playboy/Tormented Bruce Wayne Thread". Knock out all birds with one stone and have all the discussions on the character in there. :o :up:
 
yeah!!! i would like to see more of Bruce being a rich jerk and having to deal with Gordon at fundraisers and charity balls, trying to keep his anonymity by throwing him off the scent.
 
I'd much rather see a more simple interaction. Example: Gordon trusts Batman, they work together for the greater good of Gotham, Gordon stands up Batman, Batman stands fup or Gordon. I understand these examples took place in BB, but my idea uses more of those examples in real situations. Gordon trusts Batman, ala Batman saving his sons life in Year One. They work together for the greater good of Gotham, ala any Batman comic example our fan boy hearts can imagine. Gordon stands up for Batman, ala any example of cops still trying to use force against him and Gordon telling them to stand down. (He didn't have that kind of pull on BB, so it would be great to see him tell off some rookie's) Batman stands up for Gordon, ala The Killing Joke when Gordon is more a part of the story and Batman has to save/help/use/need him.

As for Bruce and Gordon I like the way Loeb described their relationship in "Hush". I think that if more interaction takes place between Batman and Gordon, then when Bruce and Gordon begin to interact, more than just social events, Bruce will notice and/or showand/or explain that Gordon is way too good of a cop to NOT know he's Batman. Hush showed Gordon must know, but his respect for Batman is like a parent for a child... they know but don't want to know.
 

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