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Should they make another Punisher movie?

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Isn't Law and Order shot in New York? That is probably one of the few modern shows that has that gritty, seedy New York feel, particularly Law and Order: Criminal Intent. If Dick Wolf can have the budget to film in NY for that show, why not Marvel?

I was thinking about that the other night. How much does it cost to shoot an entire season of Law & Order?

I think a problem is, only Spider-Man has been filmed in New York. Every other Marvel character has been filmed in Canada. Iron Man was filmed mostly in California and I'm fairly certain that the scenes that are supposed to be in New York aren't really in New York.

I'd really like to know the ramifications for shooting in New York. Marvel should really set the Punisher film in New York. I'm kinda sick of them filming in Canada and saying "NEW YORK!" because you can tell it's not really New York.
 
He wanted it to have the feel of 70's crime films like The French Connection, Death Wish, Taxi Driver and more.

What made those films great was that it showed a seedier, darker side of New York. And that is still possible to accomplish, even now. It just takes the right vision and Marvel willing to put up a budget to actually shoot in New York and some of New Jersey to accomplish.

What I want the new Punisher film to be is a throwback to the previously mentioned kinds of films. A film where Drama came over action. And when there's action, it's exhilarating(French Connection car chase) and you can clearly see what's happening(Taxi Driver or Death Wish or Dirty Harry). It seems nowadays action movies are either a throwback to dopey 80's action films with gratuitous violence and one-liners or Bourne wanna-be's with action sequences that you can't see.

The new Punisher film should be violent, yes, but not War Zone 80's action movie violent. I also think the humor should be very limited. It should be very serious. No one liners. The action should be watchable and not choppy and shakey. The villains should be deplorable in every way, characters you really hate.

It would actually be cool if they did a Punisher story set in the 70's. Maybe for the 10 minute short? If they did that, adapt Tyger in some capacity. Not sure if the story could be told in 10 minutes. Maybe 20? But that, to me, would be the perfect introduction to Frank Castle. It would show that he's more than just the comic book version of Death Wish.

But then the question is, do you continue the 70's in a feature length film, or do you update it to now, and make Frank an older guy?

Yeah I'm surprised they do not pay homages to 70s style drama, mystery/crime films like they do 80s action movies. Punisher film does need more drama and less action so like you said action scenes can mean something. And basing the movie on those classic films be great. I still like for the movie to take place in the 70s then modern times since NYC was worst back then then now and also show Castle as a soilder in Vietnam and after effects.
 
There was a Season 5 episode of Buffy ("Fool for Love") where it showed flashbacks to Spike's character through the ages. One of them showed how he acquired his long black leather duster. This segment was set in New York in the 70s where he was fighting another slayer on a graffiti-ridden subway train. That kind of sequence would fit right in with the Punisher.

Also, anyone remember the Guardian Angels, that unarmed citizen patrol force in the late 70s/ early 80s that patrolled the New York subway? That is typical of what I would consider the quintessential Punisher era where violence and crime is so widespread in New York that this kind of organization becomes a necessity. It would be cool to see nods to them in a 70s Punisher movie.
 
Isn't Law and Order shot in New York? That is probably one of the few modern shows that has that gritty, seedy New York feel, particularly Law and Order: Criminal Intent. If Dick Wolf can have the budget to film in NY for that show, why not Marvel?

Yeah, Law & Order is filmed here. Weird thing is, they film one place for another all the time. I remember once when I was still at Queens College they came and filmed parts of an episode on campus. But when the episode aired it wasn't Queens College, they said it was Hunter College even though it was filmed at my school and you could clearly see the school logo on the guardhouse in one scene.

There was also an episode of CSI NY where a scene set at Yankee Stadium was filmed here in Queens at Shae Stadium and they even showed the 7 train clearly! It's one thing to film in the right city, but sometimes just getting the city right is not enough because it's still the wrong part of town ... but only those who live here would notice.
 
I say go the 70s route. Pay a homage to crime films from that era and make a good one in the present. I even have 70s style music in the movie too and have the camera make the film look 70ish too. Plus it can fit in with Castle being a vietnam war hero who returns home to a crime ridden city and society who did not respect US soilders who was in war. He have a hard time getting a job and pressure to provide for his family. But whats puts him over the edge is when his family gets killed at the picnic in central park by mobsters. Film can go exactly like that too.
 
I say go the 70s route. Pay a homage to crime films from that era and make a good one in the present. I even have 70s style music in the movie too and have the camera make the film look 70ish too. Plus it can fit in with Castle being a vietnam war hero who returns home to a crime ridden city and society who did not respect US soilders who was in war. He have a hard time getting a job and pressure to provide for his family. But whats puts him over the edge is when his family gets killed at the picnic in central park by mobsters. Film can go exactly like that too.

That actually sounds pretty awesome. :woot:
 
Thank you...their many reasons to have the film set in the 1970s. Beginning of film Frank returns to NYC from Vietnam...he tries to find a job but because of bad economy he cannot get one. His family is pretty much on food stamps and he cannot take it not providing for his family. He also upset that the police has let the city hat he loves get so bad run by criminals. He even send the mayor a letter to try and fix the city's crime rate but the mayor does not respond back and does not care really and the police are corrupt to the core.

Also being a soilder takes a toll on him mentally so he goes trough alot of stuff, but his family is the only reason he still does not mind living and takes care of them the best he can. They have a picnic to ease the problems but his family gets murdered by mobsters after witnessing a mob execution. So that drives him ovr the edge and he decides to take matters into his own hands. I have the villian in the movie be based off Frank Lucas. So in the film the main villian be a drug kngpin who killing alot of people on the streets cause of heroin and he is ruthless too.

I just have the total movie decked out in 70s fashion. When you at the theaters you think you watching an actual 1970s movie. 70s music, 70s camera like, 70s everything. See NYC as what it was back then during them times. That would be a great Punisher film right their. I'm surprised they did not try this for Punisher Warzone.
 
Shooting something set in the '70s in addition to New York would probably cost more money than Marvel would care to spend on it.

Placing it in the '70s would be cool, but will most likely not happen. Marvel will keep the character in modern times.
 
Marvel ought to have some of their heros set in the 70s anyway. They should budget not just for Punisher but for a whole string of movies - that way the budget isn't spent on just one film. I don't think everything needs to cross over with the modern Avengers-related heroes. If they have the Punisher, Power Man and Iron Fist in the 70s, then they could have a 70s version of their Marvel Knights series. There's a whole set of heroes who would work better in that era.

Bring back the Bronze Age of Marvel!
 
That would be an interesting idea. Recycling the same sets and costumes would save them some money. Who knows?
 
to be honest id hate it if they were, i want to see them now cause it makes them more relevant. Frank is the only one i could see doing this since the MAX series handled it well
 
For me, making a movie in a different time period doesn't really effect its relevance. I'm there to watch and be entertained. I like reading comics from all the ages, maybe not the golden age ones, so I can picture these comics in different periods.
 
Thank you...their many reasons to have the film set in the 1970s. Beginning of film Frank returns to NYC from Vietnam...he tries to find a job but because of bad economy he cannot get one. His family is pretty much on food stamps and he cannot take it not providing for his family. He also upset that the police has let the city hat he loves get so bad run by criminals. He even send the mayor a letter to try and fix the city's crime rate but the mayor does not respond back and does not care really and the police are corrupt to the core.

Also being a soilder takes a toll on him mentally so he goes trough alot of stuff, but his family is the only reason he still does not mind living and takes care of them the best he can. They have a picnic to ease the problems but his family gets murdered by mobsters after witnessing a mob execution. So that drives him ovr the edge and he decides to take matters into his own hands. I have the villian in the movie be based off Frank Lucas. So in the film the main villian be a drug kngpin who killing alot of people on the streets cause of heroin and he is ruthless too.

I just have the total movie decked out in 70s fashion. When you at the theaters you think you watching an actual 1970s movie. 70s music, 70s camera like, 70s everything. See NYC as what it was back then during them times. That would be a great Punisher film right their. I'm surprised they did not try this for Punisher Warzone.

Some good ideas going on here. Only thing I'd get rid of is making Frank and his family nearly poor and making Frank almost mentally detached because of Vietnam. Giving him job troubles might be interesting, but he shouldn't be on food stamps. He's always been portrayed as well to do middle class before he became The Punisher. Incorporate some of Born into it. He goes into Vietnam fine. When he gets to Valley Forge, he loses it and transcends himself by becoming a killing machine to survive the onslaught and then he comes out of that the same way he went in: normal. It's that lingering unstoppable machine that's hiding beneath the surface, just needing a reason to come out. Throw in some elements of Tyger as well: Frank's been exposed to brutal violence since he was a kid.

To those who said the Punisher would be more relevant set in a contemporary film rather than a '70's film, I think, is a little off. Frank Castle ages. With all the twisted continuity Marvel does, I think Frank may be one of the top 5 oldest characters in the M.U., Captain America being the oldest. I like the idea of a Frank Castle gunning down bad guys before Peter Parker gets his powers, before Captain America is de-frosted, etc... And it's a good way to show how long he's been doing what he does.

but like S.Grundy said, the odds of a period piece happening with The Punisher are slim. Captain America gets that treatment because he's Captain America. I'm not sure Marvel would invest the money to make an R-Rated period piece film for The Punisher, as cool as it would be. Maybe for a 10-minute short, they could pull it off. But I don't know.

But if they can't or won't do a 70's set Punisher film, just go all out 70's style filmmaking set in the modern day: Drama over action, no one-liners, very little comedy, give it a real edge, make it mean, somewhat bleak and very poignant in terms of emotional arcs. That's what I think the Punisher needs to be successful. Marvel also shouldn't market it as a Superhero film, which is why i'd really prefer they keep Frank in his own pocket universe like in the MAX books. Reading Roger Ebert's review of the 2004 film is :doh: inducing, as he kept complaining about how dark and un-inspiring the film was because it's full of violence and misery, something that shouldn't be in a superhero film. The Punisher isn't a superhero. Get that through and it'll be fine.
 
Yeah if it cannot take place in the 70s have it look 70sish like the Grindhouse films look. And I like Punisher to be a drama, mystery/crime film instead of a action movie. Have a mixture of Death Wish, Dirty Harry, Bullet and Taxi Driver all in one film. And a Punisher film has to be Rated R not PG-13, thats just how it is.
 
Yeah if it cannot take place in the 70s have it look 70sish like the Grindhouse films look. And I like Punisher to be a drama, mystery/crime film instead of a action movie. Have a mixture of Death Wish, Dirty Harry, Bullet and Taxi Driver all in one film. And a Punisher film has to be Rated R not PG-13, thats just how it is.

I can do without them adding in digital film scratches and jumps. That's just being superficial. All it needs is the aesthetic that went into the making of those movies to work.
 
Yeah I know what you mean...Just 70s can present alot of challenges for Frank....heroin drug game...that NYC killer in 77....riots and blackouts.
 
Yeah, Law & Order is filmed here. Weird thing is, they film one place for another all the time. I remember once when I was still at Queens College they came and filmed parts of an episode on campus. But when the episode aired it wasn't Queens College, they said it was Hunter College even though it was filmed at my school and you could clearly see the school logo on the guardhouse in one scene.

There was also an episode of CSI NY where a scene set at Yankee Stadium was filmed here in Queens at Shae Stadium and they even showed the 7 train clearly! It's one thing to film in the right city, but sometimes just getting the city right is not enough because it's still the wrong part of town ... but only those who live here would notice.
That's not a location issue, it's a legal one. Your school didn't give them permission to use their name. Happens all the time in movies and shows.
 
How can you just assume my school didn't give permission? The episode was set at Hunter College but filmed at Queens College. Maybe it's because Hunter is in Manhattan and doesn't really have a campus to speak of, it's just a couple high rise buildings and they needed what one would typically imagine for a college campus?

As for the look of the movie, I'm all for the 70's aesthetic when it comes to cinematography, pacing, etc. But what I hate is when they try to muss up a film to make it look old, only comes out as contrived and inauthentic to me. I always thought that the goal was to make the best looking and sounding product you can.
 
How can you just assume my school didn't give permission? The episode was set at Hunter College but filmed at Queens College. Maybe it's because Hunter is in Manhattan and doesn't really have a campus to speak of, it's just a couple high rise buildings and they needed what one would typically imagine for a college campus?
Sorry, didn't bother to do any research to see if Hunter was real or not. Sounded fake to me; like Marvel's Empire State. Guess it was just a budget, or "Hey, Queens is closer to where we have to shoot later" type of deal.
 
Reading Roger Ebert's review of the 2004 film is :doh: inducing, as he kept complaining about how dark and un-inspiring the film was because it's full of violence and misery, something that shouldn't be in a superhero film. The Punisher isn't a superhero. Get that through and it'll be fine.
Well, he actually doesn't say it's uninspired. But he does go on about constant dark tone of the film. It's a valid criticism.
 
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