Should they recast T'Challa/Black Panther or make Shuri the new Panther?

Christopher Reeve is still considered the most iconic Superman ever, but that doesn’t preclude other actors from donning the cape after his passing so the character can continue. Superhero characters are inherently bigger than one creator, filmmaker, and actor. They are an “eternal flame” that is kept lit whenever a writer, director and actor takes part in telling new stories with the character. We must not let that flame go out with the passing of one actor.

I would never say never as it could be a part of a character growth arc for shuri. But I definitely believe in recasting and allowing someone to shoulder the responsibility of bringing T'challa to life. Everytime someone gets cast as batman the new actor now has spirit of every batman before him as well, those living and passed. Black Panther is no different.

Black Panther IS different. He's been in a few films over a few years. Recently. And his actor just died mid franchise. This isn't a case where we're talking about a completly different film universe, or an actor just leaving a role.

And I'm sad about his passing, I'm sad we never knew, Im sad I won't see his BP take charge in another movie, I'm not an emotional person and I nearly cried. But I cannot imagine that the legacy of T'challa lives and dies with Chadwick, it should live on Because of the impact he left on the genre and the culture. Because this may open the door for someone else to earn the love and admiration of the fandom.

No one is advocating the character never be seen again. Just not perhaps in this franchise, or in this sequel.

There were people saying this about The Joker after Heath Ledger died.

And what happened? He wasn't recast in the sequel/franchise. In fact Nolan apparently abandoned whatever plans he had for the Joker character and started over.

Another issue with Shuri taking the mantle is it just doesn't seem organic now. She's already the smartest person in the MCU, now she's suddenly going to be a world-class brawler as well?

No, she'd be the smartest person in Wakanda. She doesn't have to be the SAME kind of Black Panther. She'd be her own person, with her own character traits.

Will she also take the throne and wrestle guys like M'Baku in hand to hand combat?

Certainly be more interesting to find out than just seeing Black Panther best someone physically again.

The way that the MCU presented this character really doesn't set up that she will take up the BP mantle down the line. In fact, they wrote her as someone who dislikes the traditions of Wakanda and wants a normal life away from her royal duties.

Which is exactly how they would set up someone who has to reluctantly take on the role of Black Panther. It's character development.

Were Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney playing the same Bruce Wayne? Nevermind the overall movies, they never felt like "imposters." They were actors playing the character.

They may not have felt like imposters, but even pre internet, people talked about the change in actor being "jarring".

TheBattinson - that's exactly the problem. T'Challa was a secondary, and not that interesting character in his own movie, which was already more like "Women of Wakanda" than "Black Panther".

I'd like to see a movie, which serve the character justice. The one we got, wasn't even close to it. Replace him with Shuri and we will NEVER get that.

Honestly, Black Panther was refreshing with it's take on female empowerment. It gave us strong female leads (Okoye, Nakia, Ramonda, [Shuri is debatable, but still received well]) that weren't obnoxious and actually quite likeable.

They didn't drag the male leads down to elevate the women. T'Challa and Killmonger were still the central two characters of the film and demonstrated strength in their own right. They weren't compromised to push other characters up. It was a really good balance, perhaps the perfect balance.

There's no way there will be LESS "Women of Wakanda" in a sequel. It was a wildly popular part of the first movie. If anything they were always going to double down on it in a sequel.

Black Panther is either a character, or it's just a costume anyone can wear. Others can wear the Batman suit, but only Bruce Wayne can be Batman.

Neither of these things are true.

Carol Danvers, Scott Lang and Hope Pym/Van Dyne are all legacy characters in the MCU. And coming to Disney Plus are Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop along with multiple Captain Americas. The Stargirl show features all legacy characters. Barry Allen is a legacy character. As are Hal Jordan and Johnny Storm. And the star of Into the Spiderverse.

Marvel has a pretty clear plan to pass its major franchises, or at least the character's spot in the Avengers, on to legacy characters.


one word... multiverse.

So Marvel should do what DC has already essentially said they are doing with Batman? Because the actor died? How is that going to look?

I know people keep saying anyone can wear the mask, but the first Black Panther movie was not about the mantle of Black Panther. It was a story about T'Challa and how his view of the world has been challenged by the revelations of his family's past sins, and how that changes his moral compass and how he approaches the throne. Yes, the Black Panther is a mantle, but it is T'Challa's story that resonated with people. So for me, it is about the man. Not the outfit. The best superhero stories are always about the character in the costume and not the costume itself.

I think the story was actually about Wakanda, and I think it's Wakanda and its culture that resonated with audiences more than just Black Panther, even if they found the actor charismatic and the character cool. It's really pretty much everything AROUND Black Panther that was unique, the concept of the character himself was presented as a fairly generic legacy character/tech based superhero. It's the cultural and political elements that were unique and fresh. The story revolved around Wakanda's role in the world, its resources, it's failures in outreach, and its global outreach at the end.
 
@The Guard, Wakanda and how it changes is core to the movie, but the movie is about T'Challa and how his experience changes himself and ultimately Wakanda. Given he is king. It is T'Challa's story.
 
And I highly doubt Coogler would leave. After all, he was a major reason why Shuri, Nakia and Okoye were given center spotlight roles. Why would Coogler not want to continue with the character he, himself molded on the page? For all we know, Ryan may not want to recast T'Challa either

I'll say this.

Coogler's comments make it sound like T'Challa is being tossed out. He said he was working on the story for BP2 and now they'll have to change things.

I don't know if we can take Coogler's comments at face value either, because he, Feige, Marvel and Disney had to be aware of Chadwick's diagnosis. There are too many legal factors in place to keep it a secret, like on-set Insurance and health exams to qualify for it.

Dr Strange is going the multiverse route... introduce a totally different, new actor in that... see how bad ass he is... they all are, on Wakanda - it's nothing like Chadwick and his cast. That world also has a different Tony, Capt, you name it... so it slowly introduces the audience to other interpretations. That instantly eases the transition. As BP is lore, he's iconic across the universe... the spirit is what makes the BP.

What? Let's first see what the Doctor Strange 'multiverse' actually is first.

I suspect it won't be what some are expecting, and instead a bunch of abstract, trippy realities with magic-based creatures. Like the Dormamu reality in the first film. Not necessarily alternate earths populated by humans.
 
I don't think Coogler ever said that. He just said he wrote lines for Boseman to say that he will never say. I don't think that really indicates anything about their intent. Again, we won't know this likely for a while. Possibly not until 2021
 
Yeah i don't think we hear anything about BP until next summer at the earliest.
 
We can only hope. But yes, to echo was someone posted earlier.. the movement to kill off T'Challa and bury the character (out of supposed respect to Chadwick) is actually becoming a loud movement.

This is coming from someone who vehemently disagrees with it, but I have to acknowledge it's gaining unfortunate traction.

For those of us who don't want a recast, MCU T'Challa died when Boseman succumbed to colon cancer. I can't imagine accepting a new guy in the role in time for the next installment. If the "Twitter Mob" want BP2 to deal with the tragic loss of Chadwick instead of plugging in replacement black actor and pretending everything's fine, I stand with the Mob.
 
To everyone against a recast - if it came out hypothetically that Chadwick had said he wanted the character recast, would you feel different?

I can’t presume how he did or didn’t feel, but I imagine Feige had a conversation in the last few months with him about it.
 
There are no stones been thrown here ,its an unnecessary topic at this moment. I guess we are all different, have fun

You called everyone heartless and said to show respect, which means that people are disrespectful. You absolutely were throwing stones.
 
we all loved Chadwick Boseman and found inspiration in this character he gifted all of us.

Sorry, I wouldn't sign the sentence above. Respect for the guy - of course, but I didn't consider his acting or his role anything special. But that's me and I'm usually resistant to "He's dead so now everyone loves him" syndrome.
 
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Many people do not want to see the established icongraphy of MCU T'Challa overwritten. I've said this before, but anyone who tries to replace him will feel like an imposter to many people. The legacy and cultural impact that Chadwick had is just too great, the actor would be over taken by it.

And I highly doubt Coogler would leave. After all, he was a major reason why Shuri, Nakia and Okoye were given center spotlight roles. Why would Coogler not want to continue with the character he, himself molded on the page? For all we know, Ryan may not want to recast T'Challa either

I'm sorry, but an actor shouldn't be held to this high a level where the character cannot be continued on from. It wasn't like he had played the character for 6 or 7 BP films. He was was in one solo movie, had a reasonable sized part in Civil War, and had what was a couple of extended cameos in two Avengers films. But if we're honest, we're more or less talking about just one film here. To rob Coogler, or whoever else may one day want to direct the franchise, the opportunity to work with that character again is an irrational decision. Bond didn't stop at Connery, Batman didn't stop at Keaton, hell Han Solo didn't even stop at Harrison Ford as blasphemous as that was. If you want a character to have any meaning and longevity you have to keep using him or her.
 
For those of us who don't want a recast, MCU T'Challa died when Boseman succumbed to colon cancer. I can't imagine accepting a new guy in the role in time for the next installment. If the "Twitter Mob" want BP2 to deal with the tragic loss of Chadwick instead of plugging in replacement black actor and pretending everything's fine, I stand with the Mob.

Would you just boycott the film if the character is recast? What on earth makes you think everything won't be fine? The blue checkmarks and their legion of echo chambered disciples don't give a crap about superheroes, or the MCU for that matter. Turning T'Challa into some type of permanent creative memorial like is being implied will do little to help Black Panther long term. On top of that, it's incredibly insulting to other actors out there to say they can't play that character now. I can guarantee you there's a bunch of guys out there now who would give their right arm for the chance to not only to pick up where Boseman left off, but to ensure their work lives up to the standards he left. I get that people are upset about all of this, but there's a risk of derailing things if we get caught up on a path of trying to overprotect his work.
 
Well said.

Those so-called "fans" want to destroy the character and everything that was accomplished so far.
And I say that even if I'm not a fan of "Black Panther" movie. I am not a fan, but I still believe that something worthy may be still build on this foundation. And there still a good chance we'll see better T'Challa than Boseman ever had a chance to become.
 
For those of us who don't want a recast, MCU T'Challa died when Boseman succumbed to colon cancer. I can't imagine accepting a new guy in the role in time for the next installment. If the "Twitter Mob" want BP2 to deal with the tragic loss of Chadwick instead of plugging in replacement black actor and pretending everything's fine, I stand with the Mob.

But what if getting a new actor is what Ryan and Kevin think is the right thing to do? I know we don't know what they want to do at this time, but for argument sake, what if they think it is best to keep T'Challa going with another actor and they are not going to change their minds?
 
Maybe they should just retire the character from the comics as well since even he can't live up to Boseman's portrayal. :o
 
Would you just boycott the film if the character is recast? What on earth makes you think everything won't be fine? The blue checkmarks and their legion of echo chambered disciples don't give a crap about superheroes, or the MCU for that matter. Turning T'Challa into some type of permanent creative memorial like is being implied will do little to help Black Panther long term. On top of that, it's incredibly insulting to other actors out there to say they can't play that character now. I can guarantee you there's a bunch of guys out there now who would give their right arm for the chance to not only to pick up where Boseman left off, but to ensure their work lives up to the standards he left. I get that people are upset about all of this, but there's a risk of derailing things if we get caught up on a path of trying to overprotect his work.

Boycott? What the hell are you talking about? I don't go to a lot of films. I didn't go see New Mutants this weekend, but I wouldn't call it a boycott.

To say folks who don't want a new guy plugged into the role for the next installment "don't care about superheroes", are "Turning T'Challa into some time of permanent creative memorial" and "incredibly insulting to other actors" is just pure unadulterated crap. Lots of folks don't want to see New T'Challa in the next installment. It's a perfectly reasonable opinion.

I'm sorry, but an actor shouldn't be held to this high a level where the character cannot be continued on from. It wasn't like he had played the character for 6 or 7 BP films. He was was in one solo movie, had a reasonable sized part in Civil War, and had what was a couple of extended cameos in two Avengers films. But if we're honest, we're more or less talking about just one film here. To rob Coogler, or whoever else may one day want to direct the franchise, the opportunity to work with that character again is an irrational decision. Bond didn't stop at Connery, Batman didn't stop at Keaton, hell Han Solo didn't even stop at Harrison Ford as blasphemous as that was. If you want a character to have any meaning and longevity you have to keep using him or her.

So true. I mean, who can even remember Dorothy Gale, Rhett Butler, Quint or E frikkin' T?

Chadwick gave wonderful, memorable performances as one of my all time favorite comic book characters, albeit in a relatively short period of time. It's lovely that you are ready to move on to the next dude. But I am not.

Well said.

Those so-called "fans" want to destroy the character and everything that was accomplished so far.
And I say that even if I'm not a fan of "Black Panther" movie. I am not a fan, but I still believe that something worthy may be still build on this foundation. And there still a good chance we'll see better T'Challa than Boseman ever had a chance to become.

This so-called "fan" has been a huge T'Challa fan going back almost 5 decades, more than most of you have been alive. I get that you are having fun trolling a board about a performance you didn't like in a movie you don't care about. But try and have some respect for those of us who actually care about the character and the actor.

But what if getting a new actor is what Ryan and Kevin think is the right thing to do? I know we don't know what they want to do at this time, but for argument sake, what if they think it is best to keep T'Challa going with another actor and they are not going to change their minds?

Then I will wait and see what they come up with. My guess is a lot of us will be doing the same.
 
I actually think Erik could have been a good new Black Panther had they not killed him. If they were to find a way to bring him back, I could actually be open to it

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I actually think Erik could have been a good new Black Panther had they not killed him. If they were to find a way to bring him back, I could actually be open to it

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Kill monger is a top tier MCU villain to me. Love the character. That said, I think it'd be too hard to make it work. If Killmonger died and they could bring him back to life somehow, then why not just bring T'Challa back to life? Obviously, we know the real life reason. But in universe, I think it is hard to mind ninja that plot hole.
 
There's something a little too arrogant and not regal enough about Michael B Jordan that he wouldn't really embody the king of Wakanda or spirit of Black Panther. That's part of why he was picked for the villain and also why some thought he'd be good for Johnny Storm, except that he didn't really even show that cocky personality in Fant4stic anyway.

What people said about Boseman is that he embodied many of his humble and graceful characteristics in real life, which is why it came through in his portrayal. It's not something he faked. When people say "it's called ACTING" (note, they always capitalise that word for emphasis as if that's going to make it more valid), not everything can be acted. Some things are part and parcel of a person's real life experience and personality.
 
Kill monger is a top tier MCU villain to me. Love the character. That said, I think it'd be too hard to make it work. If Killmonger died and they could bring him back to life somehow, then why not just bring T'Challa back to life? Obviously, we know the real life reason. But in universe, I think it is hard to mind ninja that plot hole.
Because no one would be setting out to bring him back to life. I could see this being a side effect of whatever reality altering mess that happens in Wandavision and/or Dr. Strange's film

There's something a little too arrogant and not regal enough about Michael B Jordan that he wouldn't really embody the king of Wakanda or spirit of Black Panther. That's part of why he was picked for the villain and also why some thought he'd be good for Johnny Storm, except that he didn't really even show that cocky personality in Fant4stic anyway..
Which is why it would work IMO. They shouldnt try to emulate Boseman/T'Challa if they go with a different character. A different character should be a different type of Black Panther, one that can make the role his own. Erik was a villian but he was also one of the most multi-dimensional one that could easily grow into being a hero ala Bucky had he not died bc he wasnt evil. This is an arc that could have happened
 
Because no one would be setting out to bring him back to life. I could see this being a side effect of whatever reality altering mess that happens in Wandavision and/or Dr. Strange's film


Which is why it would work IMO. They shouldnt try to emulate Boseman/T'Challa if they go with a different character. A different character should be a different type of Black Panther, one that can make the role his own. Erik was a villian but he was also one of the most multi-dimensional one that could easily be seen as a hero ala Bucky had he not died bc he wasnt evil. This is an arc that could have happened

Again, I am not a fan of us just trying to spin Dr Strange 2 into some kind of excuse to fix continuity issues. If you're going to replace T'Challa with someone new or recast the role, do it without multiverse shenanigans. It is just not necessary to do so. This idea is fan ficy to me
 
Again, I am not a fan of us just trying to spin Dr Strange 2 into some kind of excuse to fix continuity issues. If you're going to replace T'Challa with someone new or recast the role, do it without multiverse shenanigans. It is just not necessary to do so. This idea is fan ficy to me
Im a fan. Any idea I come up with is fan fiction
 
It will be a much lesser version of Black Panther if Shuri takes the mantle.

T'Challa has so much soul and gravitas.

Could we honestly see Shuri or M'Baku addressing the UN like this?



And this is the best and most critical part of the character.
 

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