The Dark Knight Rises Should WB bring in Frank Miller?

[returntovoid]

As for the question posed in the first post, I have never been a fan of Frank Miller's work. I have always felt that he values style over substance anyway. A lot of fans love "The Dark Knight Returns" and the "All Star" series but I hate those stories because Miller makes Batman into a charicature of what he truly is. In Miller's universe, Batman is just a misanthropic egomaniac who swears up and down and insults others because he's so arrogant. I think Miller would sacrifice the integrity of the Bruce Wayne/ Batman we've grown fond of in the Nolan movies.

That sums up exactly why I don't like the idea of Frank Miller directing it.

 

[Fresh Prince]

You should have let him discover it on his own.

3 years from now in High School.

David Fincher should have done DD.

I been knew that C Lee did not have to tell me.

 

[mjbull23]

I bought and read a Frank Miller Graphic Novel once.

ONCE.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Lol more hate for Miller.

 

[CConn]

I bought and read a Frank Miller Graphic Novel once.

ONCE.

Then you missed reading about 15 really great graphic novels.

 

[CConn]

I been knew that C Lee did not have to tell me.

You been knew that?

Really?

 

[Fresh Prince]

You been knew that?

Really?

Course man.

 

[firstclassclown]

Stick it out for Nolan!

 

[Majik1387]

If you really want a writer to come in and co-write with the Nolan's who have handled the characters and stories, bring in Paul Dini.

Otherwise, I think it's best to just wait for news to come.(because I'm sick of these boards lagging)

As for Miller, TDKR and TDKSA were pieces of s**t; Robocop 2 and 3 were enjoyable, but I don't think the writing had much to do with that; Sin City was good, and while most hated The Spirit, I found it enjoyable even though it shouldn't have even been called an adaptation, it had unbearable parts and certain actors, but no worse than some other comic movie drivel.

 

[Two-Face]

I bought and read a Frank Miller Graphic Novel once.

ONCE.

Read more!

 

[gillberg2k1]

Re: Frank Miller/Batman...I honestly loved the draft of Year One that I read.

A lot of people like to dismiss it without reading it, because many like to go off of what Jett or other elitist "Bat-Fans" have to say about that project. But bottom line, the script itself and story was very good, despite straying from the mythos and canon of the comic books, which is obviously something that many just can't get past.

It was very cool, in my opinion, and I loved the grittiness and pseudo sense of realism of such a troubled young Bruce evolving into that hero that would eventually become the Batman we know. (By the end of the script, most, if not all of the elements of the classic mythos were present, setting up an awesome sequel with the Batman we are familiar with).

It was clear, however, that these early drafts were really just an attempt to stray as far away from Batman and Robin as possible, and deliver something fresh and interesting that audiences would pick up on. Subsequent drafts could easily change and alter these nitpicks and radical ideas. Begins essentially did something similar, but in much more toned down, accessible way.

Y1, IMHO kicked ass, despite being something different and fresh, which is exactly what the franchise needed at the time. Part of me still wants to see some form of that project happen, whether its an animated version, mini-series, etc.

 

[gillberg2k1]

Double Post

 

[Naked Shia]

I still find dini overrated. His stories are fun, no more for me. Miller, even if you don't like his work, is more creative, as is morrison.

Dini is respectful but he is not as creative asa lot of writers. That's why he doesn't divise.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Re: Frank Miller/Batman...I honestly loved the draft of Year One that I read.

A lot of people like to dismiss it without reading it, because many like to go off of what Jett or other elitist "Bat-Fans" have to say about that project. But bottom line, the script itself and story was very good, despite straying from the mythos and canon of the comic books, which is obviously something that many just can't get past.

It was very cool, in my opinion, and I loved the grittiness and pseudo sense of realism of such a troubled young Bruce evolving into that hero that would eventually become the Batman we know. (By the end of the script, most, if not all of the elements of the classic mythos were present, setting up an awesome sequel with the Batman we are familiar with).

It was clear, however, that these early drafts were really just an attempt to stray as far away from Batman and Robin as possible, and deliver something fresh and interesting that audiences would pick up on. Subsequent drafts could easily change and alter these nitpicks and radical ideas. Begins essentially did something similar, but in much more toned down, accessible way.

Y1, IMHO kicked ass, despite being something different and fresh, which is exactly what the franchise needed at the time. Part of me still wants to see some form of that project happen, whether its an animated version, mini-series, etc.

Seems like Miller Year One script was awesome. Could of been a really good movie. Cause we know Batman Begins had flaws.

 

[Bosch Fawstin]

To those who are quick to dismiss the idea of bringing in Miller in some capacity, I suggest that you read or reread The Dark Knight Returns & Batman: Year One. Let me ask the thread at large: When you first heard that David Goyer was involved with the relaunch, all of you had an orgasm, right?
Miller should have been brought in as a story consultant, and it's a shame he wasn't. It took twenty years for us to get an excellent Batman film. If Tim Burton had half the story sense of Miller, we could have had a damn good one twenty years ago. Don't forget what Miller has done for the resurgence of the Batman character.
Never forget.

 

[Fresh Prince]

To those who are quick to dismiss the idea of bringing in Miller in some capacity, I suggest that you read or reread The Dark Knight Returns & Batman: Year One. Let me ask the thread at large: When you first heard that David Goyer was involved with the relaunch, all of you had an orgasm, right?
Miller should have been brought in as a story consultant, and it's a shame he wasn't. It took twenty years for us to get an excellent Batman film. If Tim Burton had half the story sense of Miller, we could have had a damn good one twenty years ago. Don't forget what Miller has done for the resurgence of the Batman character.
Never forget.

Preach! But Batman 89 was a great movie though. Like the 2nd best comic book film of all time behind the Dark Knight.

 

[theslime]

If he makes Batman like Sin City and not The Spirit yeah. I think he is a good director though. So what he made one bad movie. Let it go everyone makes one bad movie. It happened to all the greats.

The thing is this: Frank Miller is not a director.

Some people - including several high-placed executives at Lions Gate Entertainment - underestimated Robert Rodriguez' obvious part in directing Sin City and stared themselves blind on the director's credit Rodriguez gave him. After the abomination that was The Spirit, they're unlikely to make that mistake again anytime soon. Even with the obvious novelty factor of the film (you want to see just how terrible it is) and decent dvd/bluray sales, it still lost quite a bit of money.

PS: To stay on topic: I agree with those who think that Miller hasn't written a good story in aeons. His Daredevil run is wonderful. TDKR and B:YO are both great. But after that he lost it. Some of Sin City is OK, but I actually prefer the movie. I can't wait to see just how terrible Holy Terror, Batman will be (if it ever comes out).

 

[luke1234]

This thread still exist!!!? arghhhh

 

[Alonsovich]

Re: Frank Miller/Batman...I honestly loved the draft of Year One that I read.

A lot of people like to dismiss it without reading it, because many like to go off of what Jett or other elitist "Bat-Fans" have to say about that project. But bottom line, the script itself and story was very good, despite straying from the mythos and canon of the comic books, which is obviously something that many just can't get past.

It was very cool, in my opinion, and I loved the grittiness and pseudo sense of realism of such a troubled young Bruce evolving into that hero that would eventually become the Batman we know. (By the end of the script, most, if not all of the elements of the classic mythos were present, setting up an awesome sequel with the Batman we are familiar with).

It was clear, however, that these early drafts were really just an attempt to stray as far away from Batman and Robin as possible, and deliver something fresh and interesting that audiences would pick up on. Subsequent drafts could easily change and alter these nitpicks and radical ideas. Begins essentially did something similar, but in much more toned down, accessible way.

Y1, IMHO kicked ass, despite being something different and fresh, which is exactly what the franchise needed at the time. Part of me still wants to see some form of that project happen, whether its an animated version, mini-series, etc.

What he said...

The Y1-BB script comparison was something more like Jason Bourne-James Bond. We got ultimately the smoothed out version... but the spirit of it was soo radically different to the previous series that it gave WB itself a big kick as to in which direction they should take the franchise. At the end... nobody would've complained about The Batman stitching up his own combat wounds while surrounded in a demolished building by full teams of SWATS... the Batman we got there was much more edgy, but with all the elements that make him Batman. Oh... and before you guys say "homeless Bruce"... I'll tell you "Wayne inheritance search" subplot and him ultimately getting it... so yes, the rich buisnessman part was there too. With people wanting to declare him dead to take over... sounds like... oh, yes... EARLE in BB?

 

[gillberg2k1]

What he said...

The Y1-BB script comparison was something more like Jason Bourne-James Bond. We got ultimately the smoothed out version... but the spirit of it was soo radically different to the previous series that it gave WB itself a big kick as to in which direction they should take the franchise. At the end... nobody would've complained about The Batman stitching up his own combat wounds while surrounded in a demolished building by full teams of SWATS... the Batman we got there was much more edgy, but with all the elements that make him Batman. Oh... and before you guys say "homeless Bruce"... I'll tell you "Wayne inheritance search" subplot and him ultimately getting it... so yes, the rich buisnessman part was there too. With people wanting to declare him dead to take over... sounds like... oh, yes... EARLE in BB?

Awesome comparison. It was very much a Bourne/Bond thing. I personally thought the inheritance search subplot was excellent, as it really cemented the idea of Bruce having to "play the part" of the rich businessman in the future, while The Batman was his true identity. (i.e. Who's the real mask was very cut and dry in Y1) That concept was obviously implied and hinted at in the end of BB, but that was actually a real important thread and story element of that Year One draft.

Again, people who haven't read the script can nitpick all they want, but it's an awesome script, just more Jason Bourne/Taxi Driver than James Bond/Heat.

The greatest part of all in my opinion is the ending. It's just sets up future films so perfectly and aligns everything to where the fanboys who may have nitpicked and complained for the first half of the film would be pissing themselves at how perfect everything is wrapped up and ready to go. I got chills reading the last few pages. It was VERY Batman and tapped into something we haven't seen yet, not even in The Dark Knight.

 

[In2Minds]

Why is everyone hating on Miller? 300, Sin city, Daredevil and even Batman would be severly lacking something if it wasn't for him, he's a great writer, granted he's slipped over the years (all star never did it for me) but you can't just call him crap, he earned his spot as a fantastic writer and i think its a same people just denounce him now because he sticks to his guns and writes what he knows, personally i think they should stick with the formula they have now and pick and choose certain scenes from the comics to pay homage to (year one long halloween etc in TDK and BB )

 

[Fresh Prince]

Batman Begins was not a great film like some people make it out to be and reading the script Frank Milelr had, it seemed better then Begins. Not I like Begins but its not that great of a film. So the Miller script would of been better for Begins.

 

[KalMart]

Why is everyone hating on Miller? 300, Sin city, Daredevil and even Batman would be severly lacking something if it wasn't for him, he's a great writer, granted he's slipped over the years (all star never did it for me) but you can't just call him crap, he earned his spot as a fantastic writer and i think its a same people just denounce him now because he sticks to his guns and writes what he knows, personally i think they should stick with the formula they have now and pick and choose certain scenes from the comics to pay homage to (year one long halloween etc in TDK and BB )

Which is fine, because in his field, he's provided a lot of inspiring source material. But that's as far as it should go. Leave the filmmaking to the filmmakers, and if they need more comic insight, maybe they'll send him an email.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Miller is a hack. He didn't evolve at all since the 80's. and LOL at some people wanting Jeph Loeb. He is a bigger hack.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

I 've have never been a big fan of Miller, and the notion that Chris Nolan and the other writers won't be able to come up with a great story, is mere rubbish, and the same was said after BB came out and then they gave us TDK. They are probably already quietly working on the story, like they did with TDK.